How come no mention of the fall of the Temple in A.D. 70 in the NT?

[surada]

opinionated value judgement ^^^^^ If you wish to claim
that you never heard or knew about the "christ killer" slur---
feel free to make a fool of yourself

Only from people like you on internet forums.

 

[surada]

by your method ^^^^ you get the Roman interpretation of
language that the Romans did not know. Reading Isaiah in
english or greek is a waste of time. Jesus did not do so

Isaiah wasn't writing about Jesus.

 

[irosie91]

Only from people like you on internet forums.

I called YOU a "christ killer"? when?

 

[irosie91]

Isaiah wasn't writing about Jesus.

I agree ----but many christians IMAGINE he was

 

[irosie91]

Isaiah wasn't writing about Jesus.

Jesus READ Isaiah. It is some benighted christian scholars
who like to imagine that Isaiah was writing about Jesus-----they
screw around with daniel and a few other "prophets" too

 

[surada]

Jesus READ Isaiah. It is some benighted christian scholars
who like to imagine that Isaiah was writing about Jesus-----they
screw around with daniel and a few other "prophets" too

norwegen

I know.. They fiddle around with Hosea and Jeremiah and Daniel too... and probably others that I am not aware of.

Jews seem to have the idea of wrestling with God so they argue and question.. For some reason that is considered unfaithful for Christians..

 

[irosie91]

norwegen

I know.. They fiddle around with Hosea and Jeremiah and Daniel too... and probably others that I am not aware of.

Jews seem to have the idea of wrestling with God so they argue and question.. For some reason that is considered unfaithful for Christians..

muslims evince even MORE HORROR at the incessant "talmudic" debate
to the point that their kids make a joke of it. It's a
cultural thing

 

[surada]

muslims evince even MORE HORROR at the incessant "talmudic" debate
to the point that their kids make a joke of it. It's a
cultural thing

Do you think Muslims are involved in Talmudic debate? Christians aren't.

 

[irosie91]

Do you think Muslims are involved in Talmudic debate? Christians aren't.

no------your statement is silly. I have never encountered a christian
who knew anything about the talmud other than what some learned
in Sunday School. to wit, it is an evil book full of MAGICAL
CHARMS and also includes the recipe for turning base metals into
gold-----in fact it is the subject of some of those weird medieval
woodcuts depicting jews involved in "ALCHEMY". As you know---
the word "alchemy" is arabic------it got moved over to DA CHURCH
and transformed to some form of evil magic that JOOOOS DO.

 

[irosie91]

Only from people like you on internet forums.

it exists even in english language literature. Clearly,
you did not read much as a kid PRE-INTERNET. If
you had been a kid in a DIVERSE neighborhood in the
USA----you would have known it from the playground.

 

[norwegen]

Is the phrase "BABYLON IS HEAVEN AND EARTH" supposed to make sense to anyone?

It made sense to the people who were subject to its jurisdiction.

 

[irosie91]

It made sense to the people who were subject to its jurisdiction.

^^^ ??????

 

[norwegen]

norwegen

The Whore of Babylon is Israel. The prophets were always scolding the Jews for infidelity and whoring after false gods.

Yea, pretty much.

Adam and Israel were the same people. According to the Bible, they shared the same lineage, and that people is in fact the subject of the Bible.

Israel/Adam walked with God, then forsook Him for other gods (and the secret arts and other indulgences and distractions). Between Adam’s fall and Christ’s death (or Adam's death and Christ's crucifixion), they were an idolatrous people, adulterers who more often than not took up with false deities.

That was their whole struggle with obedience and disobedience. Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 sum up the obedience-disobedience dichotomy that permeates the Old Testament.

“None is righteous,” lamented David. “No, not one.” (Ps 14:1-3; 53:1-3)

But then Christ – Israel’s messiah – reconciled them with God. And this messiah tasked his disciples with doing greater works then he, with loving their neighbors, with making disciples of nations, and so soon not just Israel was entering the kingdom, but foreigners, too, who were no longer considered beasts and unclean, as Peter’s vision on a rooftop illustrated (Acts 10:13-16).

As the body of Adam walked with God, so does the body of Christ. They don't worship idols. Ethnic Israel transformed to a heavenly, divine Israel. Ethnic Israel expected a warrior-king to lead them and to find salvation through temple and territory. Spiritual Israel has found the Son of God who has restored the Garden of Eden; salvation is in the Spirit.

That’s Christianity in a nutshell. Amazingly prophetic and world-changing.

 

[irosie91]

The Bible is a collection of foundational myths, poetry and laws. Certainly doesn't mean Jesus is fiction. If you read it literally, that's fine. The people of the first century understood the symbolism perfectly.

"the people of the first century understood..." what ..."symbolism
perfectly" ? can you specify your use of the term "bible"?
Who were the perfectly understanding people?

For the old school Jews the Temple was just a scam run by post-exilic Babylonians. It's fall is predicted in the NT by Jesus; Christians were advocators of returning to the Judaism of Moses, the written Torah and rejecting the hidebound legalisms of the Pharisees and the false pretenses of the Sadduccees, a return to the spirit over the law. So yes, it is mentioned in the NT. The Temple scam held no religious relevance to Christians, and in fact was regarded as a blight and an injustice.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 24 - New King James Version

Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple - Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another...

www.biblegateway.com

Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple​

24 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The Temple has zero relevance to Judaism, and nothing to do with the racist cults started by Ezra and the Babylonians to line their pockets, to become later on the 'rabbinical Judaism' cults in the 2nd Century A.D., after the Bar Kokbha failure.

Jesus said that? why was he hell bent on chasing the Roman shill
money changers out of the Temple courtyard if, as you say, the
Temple was nothing but a pile of shit to him?

 

[DudleySmith]

"the people of the first century understood..." what ..."symbolism
perfectly" ? can you specify your use of the term "bible"?
Who were the perfectly understanding people?

Jesus said that? why was he hell bent on chasing the Roman shill
money changers out of the Temple courtyard if, as you say, the
Temple was nothing but a pile of shit to him?

lol so now the money changers are Roman, too? Were there any Jews left in Jerusalem at all, in your mind? lol

 

[irosie91]

lol so now the money changers are Roman, too? Were there any Jews left in Jerusalem at all, in your mind? lol

try again, Dudhabibi. ROMAN SHILLS like the sadducean
priests and the edomite king. There is a history----actually
written in the time of almost universal illiteracy in Europe.
The people seen as roman shills were despised by the anti-
rome people (as Jesus was despite the white wash job you
learned in sunday school) People like Jesus did not want the
roman shills sitting around in the Temple Court Yard SHILLING .
His overturning of their tables was an ACT OF SEDITION AGAINST
ROME and its occupation of the Temple. To say that Jesus
considered the Temple a pile of shit is actually funny. His
own mother (queen of heaven) pilgrimaged there. Try reading
the book.

 

[surada]

"the people of the first century understood..." what ..."symbolism
perfectly" ? can you specify your use of the term "bible"?
Who were the perfectly understanding people?

Jesus said that? why was he hell bent on chasing the Roman shill
money changers out of the Temple courtyard if, as you say, the
Temple was nothing but a pile of shit to him?

The moneychangers were not Romans.
Why do you think Jesus thought the Temple was a "pile of shit"?

The people of the 1st century knew their history .. Why wouldn't they have understood the symbolism?

 

[irosie91]

no------your statement is silly. I have never encountered a christian
who knew anything about the talmud other than what some learned
in Sunday School. to wit, it is an evil book full of MAGICAL
CHARMS and also includes the recipe for turning base metals into
gold-----in fact it is the subject of some of those weird medieval
woodcuts depicting jews involved in "ALCHEMY". As you know---
the word "alchemy" is arabic------it got moved over to DA CHURCH
and transformed to some form of evil magic that JOOOOS DO.

saruda so enjoyed my post that she put up the laughing face.
Your welcome, saruda. Be not afraid of responding. I misplaced
my magical talmud

 

[irosie91]

The moneychangers were not Romans.
Why do you think Jesus thought the Temple was a "pile of shit"?

The people of the 1st century knew their history .. Why wouldn't they have understood the symbolism?

Mr DUD --the NT scholar so characterized it. At no point did
I write that the money-changers of the Temple were "romans"
I wrote SHILLS ie shills for rome. They were specifically
despised by the pharisees (like Jesus) as a form of corruption
FOR ROME-----like the Sadducee "priests" and the Edomite King.
Jews of the first century knew the Hebrew and Aramaic
literary symbolism. In my experience in Protestant Sunday
school I did not get the impression that sunday school teachers do.

 

[ding]

You just have to understand the metaphors and read between the lines.

You have like 5 or 6 passages you post out of context and you think your "hidden" message applies to 23,145 verses?

The Gospel of Luke contains both the largest total number of parables (24) and eighteen unique parables; the Gospel of Matthew contains 23 parables of which eleven are unique; and the Gospel of Mark contains eight parables of which two are unique.

Can you tell me the hidden messages in ANY of them?