How come no mention of the fall of the Temple in A.D. 70 in the NT?

[irosie91]

For Saruda----I am depending on MEMORY (gawd help us) I think
that Talmud Yerushalami describes ordinances disallowing use of the
Temple ruins because of the DANGER thereof------stuff could fall on
one's head

 

[norwegen]

nope-----none of your citations describe the ROMAN
DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE and siege of Jerusalem---
in fact some allude to an EARTH QUAKE DONE IT. sorta
like an ayatoilet claiming that the WTC went down because
of an asteroid

Yup ------ Revelation parallels history.

Titus and his men broke through the wall outside Jerusalem in AD 70 a few days before Passover, which was in the month of Nisan, which correlated to the month of March in the Gregorian calendar. The internal siege ended after the temple burned down in the month of Av, or August, five months later. In Revelation, we read of a five-month period of torment that ended when smoke from a great furnace blocked the sun (Rv 9:2-5).

Imagine John looking down from one of Jerusalem's seven hills, perhaps, and witnessing column after column of Roman horsemen assailing the temple for five months. And imagine how, from a distance, these horsemen might have looked something like locusts, four legs on the ground while two legs (the soldier's arms) are lifted (as locusts might stand) to fire missiles (arrows) or perform some other such function. Imagine the crests on their golden helmets, made of plumage or horsehair, and how that might have looked more like a woman's hair than a man's hair. Outfitted with iron breastplates, the commotion of battle in all directions, ending with the roaring inferno in their midst, the noise and chaos the combatants must have endured in such numbers while contending with such determined adversaries on either side – imagine the hell on earth that that day must have been.

The duration of the war is another parallel between Revelation and history. Jews and Romans wreaked havoc on the city for three and a half years (Rv 11:2). According to Josephus and the historical record, Christians fled Jerusalem for three and a half years to escape the Jewish rebellion there. They fled to the wilderness, or Pella, where they were able to endure their three and a half years of exile because first, their days in exile were cut short, and second, because that was the place that God had prepared for them to find nourishment (Rv 12:6). The Jerusalem church endured her exile while the city suffered carnage.

And of course, the destruction of the temple is clearly articulated in the Olivet Discourse.

An earthquake, you say. We know of at least one tremor that struck Jerusalem during a storm when the Idumeans arrived to support the Zealots (Wars 4.4.5). John of Patmos recorded another earthquake during a storm (Rv 16:18). Josephus also reported another tremor during the war. During an observance one night, as the priests prepared their sacred ministrations, they felt a quaking (Wars 6.5.3). A fault line also ran north and south through the vicinity of Masada, and seismic activity may well have caused some quaking there as well.

And, as Surada pointed out, from the Revelator's vantage point, the temple no longer appeared in the city (Rv 21:22).

 

[irosie91]

Yup ------ Revelation parallels history.

Titus and his men broke through the wall outside Jerusalem in AD 70 a few days before Passover, which was in the month of Nisan, which correlated to the month of March in the Gregorian calendar. The internal siege ended after the temple burned down in the month of Av, or August, five months later. In Revelation, we read of a five-month period of torment that ended when smoke from a great furnace blocked the sun (Rv 9:2-5).

Imagine John looking down from one of Jerusalem's seven hills, perhaps, and witnessing column after column of Roman horsemen assailing the temple for five months. And imagine how, from a distance, these horsemen might have looked something like locusts, four legs on the ground while two legs (the soldier's arms) are lifted (as locusts might stand) to fire missiles (arrows) or perform some other such function. Imagine the crests on their golden helmets, made of plumage or horsehair, and how that might have looked more like a woman's hair than a man's hair. Outfitted with iron breastplates, the commotion of battle in all directions, ending with the roaring inferno in their midst, the noise and chaos the combatants must have endured in such numbers while contending with such determined adversaries on either side – imagine the hell on earth that that day must have been.

The duration of the war is another parallel between Revelation and history. Jews and Romans wreaked havoc on the city for three and a half years (Rv 11:2). According to Josephus and the historical record, Christians fled Jerusalem for three and a half years to escape the Jewish rebellion there. They fled to the wilderness, or Pella, where they were able to endure their three and a half years of exile because first, their days in exile were cut short, and second, because that was the place that God had prepared for them to find nourishment (Rv 12:6). The Jerusalem church endured her exile while the city suffered carnage.

And of course, the destruction of the temple is clearly articulated in the Olivet Discourse.

An earthquake, you say. We know of at least one tremor that struck Jerusalem during a storm when the Idumeans arrived to support the Zealots (Wars 4.4.5). John of Patmos recorded another earthquake during a storm (Rv 16:18). Josephus also reported another tremor during the war. During an observance one night, as the priests prepared their sacred ministrations, they felt a quaking (Wars 6.5.3). A fault line also ran north and south through the vicinity of Masada, and seismic activity may well have caused some quaking there as well.

And, as Surada pointed out, from the Revelator's vantage point, the temple no longer appeared in the city (Rv 21:22).

you left out the fact that the romans wreaked the destruction, but that's ok. You made it ok to describe the bombing of a city---"FIRE
AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN...............or the invasion of foot soldiers as "LOCUSTS"

 

[norwegen]

At any rate, Revelation is an account - as imaginative or bizarre as it may be - of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. It's the Lord's coming in judgment against apostate Judea.

 

[irosie91]

At any rate, Revelation is an account - as imaginative or bizarre as it may be - of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. It's the Lord's coming in judgment against apostate Judea.

^^^^ bullshit ----has as much to do with "the lord" as lucy in the
sky with diamonds

 

[norwegen]

^^^^ bullshit ----has as much to do with "the lord" as lucy in the
sky with diamonds

Try reading it. It mentions the Lord several times.

 

[irosie91]

Try reading it. It mentions the Lord several times.

ROFLMAO "it mentions the lord"----watta endorsement

 

[norwegen]

ROFLMAO "it mentions the lord"----watta endorsement

LOL, how dense can you be? The book opens by proclaiming that it's a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation is as much about the Lord as any NT book.

Get a clue.

 

[irosie91]

LOL, how dense can you be? The book opens by proclaiming that it's a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation is as much about the Lord as any NT book.

Get a clue.

I have books that open with ONCE UPON A TIME

 

[surada]

you left out the fact that the romans wreaked the destruction, but that's ok. You made it ok to describe the bombing of a city---"FIRE
AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN...............or the invasion of foot soldiers as "LOCUSTS"

Locusts were on horseback..

Revelation 9:19 - Verse-by-Verse Bible ... - StudyLight.org

Revelation 9:19 - Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary - StudyLight.org

Revelation 9:19 - For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm. on StudyLight.org

www.studylight.org

The locusts had the power to injure like scorpions with their tails (Revelation 9:10), but these horses have power to kill like serpents with their ... which may be understood of the officers of the foot soldiers, or of the priests and teachers of the Mahometan religion: and with them they do …

 

[surada]

Yup ------ Revelation parallels history.

Titus and his men broke through the wall outside Jerusalem in AD 70 a few days before Passover, which was in the month of Nisan, which correlated to the month of March in the Gregorian calendar. The internal siege ended after the temple burned down in the month of Av, or August, five months later. In Revelation, we read of a five-month period of torment that ended when smoke from a great furnace blocked the sun (Rv 9:2-5).

Imagine John looking down from one of Jerusalem's seven hills, perhaps, and witnessing column after column of Roman horsemen assailing the temple for five months. And imagine how, from a distance, these horsemen might have looked something like locusts, four legs on the ground while two legs (the soldier's arms) are lifted (as locusts might stand) to fire missiles (arrows) or perform some other such function. Imagine the crests on their golden helmets, made of plumage or horsehair, and how that might have looked more like a woman's hair than a man's hair. Outfitted with iron breastplates, the commotion of battle in all directions, ending with the roaring inferno in their midst, the noise and chaos the combatants must have endured in such numbers while contending with such determined adversaries on either side – imagine the hell on earth that that day must have been.

The duration of the war is another parallel between Revelation and history. Jews and Romans wreaked havoc on the city for three and a half years (Rv 11:2). According to Josephus and the historical record, Christians fled Jerusalem for three and a half years to escape the Jewish rebellion there. They fled to the wilderness, or Pella, where they were able to endure their three and a half years of exile because first, their days in exile were cut short, and second, because that was the place that God had prepared for them to find nourishment (Rv 12:6). The Jerusalem church endured her exile while the city suffered carnage.

And of course, the destruction of the temple is clearly articulated in the Olivet Discourse.

An earthquake, you say. We know of at least one tremor that struck Jerusalem during a storm when the Idumeans arrived to support the Zealots (Wars 4.4.5). John of Patmos recorded another earthquake during a storm (Rv 16:18). Josephus also reported another tremor during the war. During an observance one night, as the priests prepared their sacred ministrations, they felt a quaking (Wars 6.5.3). A fault line also ran north and south through the vicinity of Masada, and seismic activity may well have caused some quaking there as well.

And, as Surada pointed out, from the Revelator's vantage point, the temple no longer appeared in the city (Rv 21:22).

There came out of the smoke creatures [demonic creatures] ( Revelation 9:3 ):

As John sees them, because they swarm in great clouds, they are like locust, in that they cover the skies and the skies become dark. And of course, in a part of the world they have plagues of locust that there are so many millions of them that it turns the skies dark as they invade an area. So, these are like a locust plague.

 

[irosie91]

There came out of the smoke creatures [demonic creatures] ( Revelation 9:3 ):

As John sees them, because they swarm in great clouds, they are like locust, in that they cover the skies and the skies become dark. And of course, in a part of the world they have plagues of locust that there are so many millions of them that it turns the skies dark as they invade an area. So, these are like a locust plague.

very poetic-----at no point does the NT describe the descending murderous locusts as ROMANs-----which is what they were. It's
a smokescreen-----the LIE is the misrepresentation of the FILTH OF
ROME as a heavenly event-----to cover the stinking ass of rome

 

[irosie91]

try the OP-----the lack of mention of the destruction of the Temple
by the Roman barbarians and the flood of blood in the streets of
Jerusalem. Scofield not withstanding. Constantine forgot?

suruda is OVERCOME with mirth---schadenfreude

 

[norwegen]

There came out of the smoke creatures [demonic creatures] ( Revelation 9:3 ):

As John sees them, because they swarm in great clouds, they are like locust, in that they cover the skies and the skies become dark. And of course, in a part of the world they have plagues of locust that there are so many millions of them that it turns the skies dark as they invade an area. So, these are like a locust plague.

Good point. The Roman horsemen were a plague on the Jews, and plagues were instruments of God's judgment.

In the Parable of the Wedding Feast, Jesus alluded to God’s army of Roman soldiers (Mt 22:7). Note in the parable that the troops belong to the king; and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers. God would enlist the services of the Roman forces for His purposes. So far removed from God had the holy people become that God favored pagans over them! As Russell says, “The Roman armies were but the executioners of divine justice; and Jerusalem perished for her guilt and rebellion against the King."*

The Apocalypse dramatizes the exploits of this foreign army, and the Revelator explicitly reminds us of its relation to the Lord (Rv 19:19-20). The Jews made “war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army.” The Jewish beast – the Satan in the house of Israel – and its corrupt hierarchy with the lies they taught and all her soldiers who took its mark fought against Jesus and the Romans until captured. The Roman troops were his army; they belonged to the Lord.

John’s description of this army alighting on the temple is reminiscent of the literary style of earlier Jewish writers. The prophet Jeremiah compared warhorses to bristling locusts (51:27). The prophet Joel lamented a siege on his land by a foreign army with lions’ teeth (1:6), a great and powerful people with the appearance of horses (2:2, 4), the metaphor for which are large swarms of devouring locusts. Job compared a horse’s ability to leap with the agility of a locust (39:19-20). The language of Revelation is very much the language of earlier sacred texts. The language by no means alludes to any future generation.

*J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia: A Critical Inquiry into the New testament Doctrine of Our Lord’s Second Coming (Public Domain, originally published in 1887 in London by T. Fisher Unwin) Kindle eBook.

 

[irosie91]

Good point. The Roman horsemen were a plague on the Jews, and plagues were instruments of God's judgment.

In the Parable of the Wedding Feast, Jesus alluded to God’s army of Roman soldiers (Mt 22:7). Note in the parable that the troops belong to the king; and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers. God would enlist the services of the Roman forces for His purposes. So far removed from God had the holy people become that God favored pagans over them! As Russell says, “The Roman armies were but the executioners of divine justice; and Jerusalem perished for her guilt and rebellion against the King."*

The Apocalypse dramatizes the exploits of this foreign army, and the Revelator explicitly reminds us of its relation to the Lord (Rv 19:19-20). The Jews made “war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army.” The Jewish beast – the Satan in the house of Israel – and its corrupt hierarchy with the lies they taught and all her soldiers who took its mark fought against Jesus and the Romans until captured. The Roman troops were his army; they belonged to the Lord.

John’s description of this army alighting on the temple is reminiscent of the literary style of earlier Jewish writers. The prophet Jeremiah compared warhorses to bristling locusts (51:27). The prophet Joel lamented a siege on his land by a foreign army with lions’ teeth (1:6), a great and powerful people with the appearance of horses (2:2, 4), the metaphor for which are large swarms of devouring locusts. Job compared a horse’s ability to leap with the agility of a locust (39:19-20). The language of Revelation is very much the language of earlier sacred texts. The language by no means alludes to any future generation.

*J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia: A Critical Inquiry into the New testament Doctrine of Our Lord’s Second Coming (Public Domain, originally published in 1887 in London by T. Fisher Unwin) Kindle eBook.

that's a STRETCH ^^^^

 

[irosie91]

Good point. The Roman horsemen were a plague on the Jews, and plagues were instruments of God's judgment.

In the Parable of the Wedding Feast, Jesus alluded to God’s army of Roman soldiers (Mt 22:7). Note in the parable that the troops belong to the king; and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers. God would enlist the services of the Roman forces for His purposes. So far removed from God had the holy people become that God favored pagans over them! As Russell says, “The Roman armies were but the executioners of divine justice; and Jerusalem perished for her guilt and rebellion against the King."*

The Apocalypse dramatizes the exploits of this foreign army, and the Revelator explicitly reminds us of its relation to the Lord (Rv 19:19-20). The Jews made “war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army.” The Jewish beast – the Satan in the house of Israel – and its corrupt hierarchy with the lies they taught and all her soldiers who took its mark fought against Jesus and the Romans until captured. The Roman troops were his army; they belonged to the Lord.

John’s description of this army alighting on the temple is reminiscent of the literary style of earlier Jewish writers. The prophet Jeremiah compared warhorses to bristling locusts (51:27). The prophet Joel lamented a siege on his land by a foreign army with lions’ teeth (1:6), a great and powerful people with the appearance of horses (2:2, 4), the metaphor for which are large swarms of devouring locusts. Job compared a horse’s ability to leap with the agility of a locust (39:19-20). The language of Revelation is very much the language of earlier sacred texts. The language by no means alludes to any future generation.

*J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia: A Critical Inquiry into the New testament Doctrine of Our Lord’s Second Coming (Public Domain, originally published in 1887 in London by T. Fisher Unwin) Kindle eBook.

"Plagues" are natural events----in hebrew poetry, sometimes
mediated by heaven. They are not the armies of oppressors.
Parables are just that-----instructive stories not meant to be taken
as HISTORY. The destruction of the Temple by the Roman
oppressors is not a PARABLE. It is history

 

[norwegen]

"Plagues" are natural events----in hebrew poetry, sometimes
mediated by heaven. They are not the armies of oppressors.
Parables are just that-----instructive stories not meant to be taken
as HISTORY. The destruction of the Temple by the Roman
oppressors is not a PARABLE. It is history

Yea, this thread isn't about natural events; it's about the temple and the NT.

And the parables are about the kingdom of God. Every single one of them.

 

[irosie91]

Yea, this thread isn't about natural events; it's about the temple and the NT.

And the parables are about the kingdom of God. Every single one of them.

yes---this thread is about a window of time---including the destruction of the temple and is about the HANDBOOK OF the
official religion of the ROMAN EMPIRE which completely
skirts the fact that the ROMAN EMPIRE destroyed the temple
in Jerusalem. (the roman empire is, in your mind, THE KINGDOM
OF GOD? yuk)

 

[norwegen]

yes---this thread is about a window of time---including the destruction of the temple and is about the HANDBOOK OF the
official religion of the ROMAN EMPIRE which completely
skirts the fact that the ROMAN EMPIRE destroyed the temple
in Jerusalem. (the roman empire is, in your mind, THE KINGDOM
OF GOD? yuk)

You really are dense. The Roman Empire is no longer here. The kingdom of God is.

 

[justinacolmena]

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught.

Gun Control caused the collapse of the Roman Empire. The disarmed Roman citizens were terrified of "Greek fire," and they had no idea what that was. And Jesus Christ was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. Christianity, therefore, cannot be a religion of gun control, as it is under the Catholic Pope sitting on the See of Rome.