Unkotare
Diamond Member
- Aug 16, 2011
- 145,538
- 32,631
- 2,180
Those tests you mentioned are not intended to "monitor" progress throughout a student's education; they are college placement tests. Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?
Homeschooling: Your Views, Please
- Thread starter Wake
- Start date
Those tests you mentioned are not intended to "monitor" progress throughout a student's education; they are college placement tests. Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?
candycorn
Diamond Member
Agreed.
I think those who complete study in a traditional setting have an advantage however.
Skull Pilot
Diamond Member
- Nov 17, 2007
- 45,446
- 6,164
- 1,830
And how does that prove home schooled kids don't outperform their public school counter parts?
From what I have seen they don't meet their own educational requirements. Some have degrees but a lot of them don't. I believe in a lot of cases, they want the focus to be on religion or political ideals that public school has no part of.
Skull Pilot
Diamond Member
- Nov 17, 2007
- 45,446
- 6,164
- 1,830
Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.
Contumacious
Radical Freedom
Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state
. –Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943
Hey, that's good advice........for you.
I know one homeschooler. Her kids are plunked in front of the computer all day doing their "lessons". While Mom sits on her computer all day conversing with other home schoolers on Facebook. LMAO. They call it a "support group".
These kids are socially awkward and not particularly well educated in math. Science is ok as long as you stick with small animals. No sports. No other extra curricular activities.
I would put my public schooled Advanced Placement taking kid up against any home schooled kid. And the home schooled kid couldn't carry my kids books.
I remember when we in the USA had the number 1 high school students in the entire world. Our education system was the envy of the world if the country wanted smart adults.
And that performance WAS NOT BASED ON HOME SCHOOLED kids. It was that hated PUBLIC EDUCATION system. Amazing eh? Public education that worked.
frigidweirdo
Diamond Member
- Mar 7, 2014
- 54,834
- 15,009
- 2,180
I agree. though I'd like to see schools in general change tact and move towards less traditional education for the sake of education and working towards skills based and also becoming decent adults based.
frigidweirdo
Diamond Member
- Mar 7, 2014
- 54,834
- 15,009
- 2,180
I've heard that sports and things like this are done with home school kids too, they all come together and do this sort of thing.
Networking within home schooling can work.
The biggest problem can come if the parent isn't up to the task of home schooling, but then this is an individual issue.
frigidweirdo
Diamond Member
- Mar 7, 2014
- 54,834
- 15,009
- 2,180
Which is an issue with individual parents.
I saw a home schooled kid in South Africa, and the kid hardly did anything ever. He had lots of issues that would make main stream school almost impossible, but he wasn't really getting anything at home either.
The US had number 1 students in the world. Probably when China was suffering under Mao, Europe was decimated by WW2, and Japan and much of the Far East.
Things change.
Education standards in the US haven't risen to meet the needs of the developing world in many cases. Education can be good, but does it give kids the skills they need?
I look on this board and see the logic, debating, thought processing skills and I have to say, NO! In the most part this hasn't happened, and even with young Americans isn't happening much. The SATs even get kids to think in order to get a high mark, so in some schools it is happening, but I don't see that it is applied to reality enough.
Skull Pilot
Diamond Member
- Nov 17, 2007
- 45,446
- 6,164
- 1,830
OOOH you know ONE home schooled kid and you think that ONE represents everyone?
Then explain why home schooled kids outperform public school kids and a higher percentage of home schooled kids go to and finish a college degree.
And are you telling me that home schooled kids can't play sports because only public schools offer them? I've known a dozen or more home schooled kids that lived on my street when I was growing up to kids of friends today and they all played little league and Pop Warner football some kids played hockey a couple even got black belts in Tae Kwan Do.
And if you think that public school today is on par with when we were number one in the world then you have had your head under a rock.
Unkotare
Diamond Member
- Aug 16, 2011
- 145,538
- 32,631
- 2,180
Wake
Easygoing Conservative
- Jun 11, 2013
- 4,787
- 1,550
- 345
- Thread starter
- Moderator
- #853
A few thoughts I'd like to share with you guys. 
Homeschooling isn't a bad thing at all. With my homeschooling, every year I'd be given a huge, heavy package of books, tests, and other things to work on. The coursework was designed by professors, teachers, and other people who make their living in academia. Homeschooling's not where you're given a notebook filled with scribblings from your mother or father and that's it. No, there's a comprehensive system at work here.
Your parent doesn't need to be a teacher, or 'trained' by some government bureaucrat. What you need is a dedicated parent that will make sure you keep your nose to the grindstone and apply a bit of fire under your butt if you dare try to slack off on your studies. Your parent needs to be responsible, organized, and thorough. You don't need to be trained to do that. It's called being a good parent. My mother may not have understood the calculus I was given to study and work on, but she kept pushing me gently and guiding me to get it done and, when I didn't understand something, she'd direct me to my father to help me understand. There would also be a thick notebook with a binding that acted as a primer for the parents so they too could comprehend what it is I was learning, and to help guide them in the process by explaining the mathematics very easily.
I didn't need help in science because I devoured that part of my studies ravenously. I needed guidance on literature and book reports not because I didn't understand it, but because I suffered from ADHD and was extremely bored and unchallenged by it. At times, in my immaturity, I was a handful and a challenge for my parents because I never felt challenged enough and craved a real test.
Lastly, you need to keep your homeschooled children socializing. That doesn't mean you have to introduce them to all the bad influences you typically find in the public school system. So many young teen boys in the system smoke pot, and behave completely and utterly... stupid. I may not have been as social as some of those kids were, but they really stood no chance against me when it came to intelligence and a never-ending thirst for knowledge and understanding. They'd rather waste their time playing video games, smoking pot, slacking off, and fornicating. I am very, very thankful that my parents raised me far and away from those bad influences, because I could see myself being influenced under peer pressure to do stupid things, or be bullied by the troglodytes that school officials couldn't do much if anything about. You should keep your homeschooled kids engaged and in the community around tens and hundreds of people, doing stuff to help the community while ensuring they're safe, too. I already have a plan partially mapped out on paper, where I apply their free time towards helping others in need, whether it's elderly folks in the neighborhood or soup kitchens and charities in need of helping hands.
Homeschooling isn't a bad thing at all. With my homeschooling, every year I'd be given a huge, heavy package of books, tests, and other things to work on. The coursework was designed by professors, teachers, and other people who make their living in academia. Homeschooling's not where you're given a notebook filled with scribblings from your mother or father and that's it. No, there's a comprehensive system at work here.
Your parent doesn't need to be a teacher, or 'trained' by some government bureaucrat. What you need is a dedicated parent that will make sure you keep your nose to the grindstone and apply a bit of fire under your butt if you dare try to slack off on your studies. Your parent needs to be responsible, organized, and thorough. You don't need to be trained to do that. It's called being a good parent. My mother may not have understood the calculus I was given to study and work on, but she kept pushing me gently and guiding me to get it done and, when I didn't understand something, she'd direct me to my father to help me understand. There would also be a thick notebook with a binding that acted as a primer for the parents so they too could comprehend what it is I was learning, and to help guide them in the process by explaining the mathematics very easily.
I didn't need help in science because I devoured that part of my studies ravenously. I needed guidance on literature and book reports not because I didn't understand it, but because I suffered from ADHD and was extremely bored and unchallenged by it. At times, in my immaturity, I was a handful and a challenge for my parents because I never felt challenged enough and craved a real test.
Lastly, you need to keep your homeschooled children socializing. That doesn't mean you have to introduce them to all the bad influences you typically find in the public school system. So many young teen boys in the system smoke pot, and behave completely and utterly... stupid. I may not have been as social as some of those kids were, but they really stood no chance against me when it came to intelligence and a never-ending thirst for knowledge and understanding. They'd rather waste their time playing video games, smoking pot, slacking off, and fornicating. I am very, very thankful that my parents raised me far and away from those bad influences, because I could see myself being influenced under peer pressure to do stupid things, or be bullied by the troglodytes that school officials couldn't do much if anything about. You should keep your homeschooled kids engaged and in the community around tens and hundreds of people, doing stuff to help the community while ensuring they're safe, too. I already have a plan partially mapped out on paper, where I apply their free time towards helping others in need, whether it's elderly folks in the neighborhood or soup kitchens and charities in need of helping hands.
They don't outperform public school kids. You are making that claim but it just isn't true.
R.D.
Gold Member
- Feb 7, 2011
- 8,445
- 2,584
- 245
Stop Saying Homeschoolers Are Brilliant
How does U.S. homeschoolers’ academic performance compare with other students?
Evidence regarding this question has been fraught with controversy because most of the studies that have received widest attention have been interpreted to say something they do not and cannot. We simply can’t draw any conclusions about the academic performance of the “average homeschooler,” because none of the studies so often cited employ random samples representing the full range of homeschoolers.
For example, two large U.S. studies (Rudner, 1999; Ray, 2009) are frequently cited as definitive evidence that homeschoolers academically outperform public and private school students. But in both cases, the homeschool participants were volunteers responding to an invitation by the nation’s most prominent advocacy organization to contribute test scores (on tests usually administered by parents in the child’s own home). The demographics of these samples were far whiter, more religious, more married, better educated, and wealthier than national averages. And yet these test score results were compared to average public school scores that included children from all income levels and family backgrounds. Not surprisingly, wealthy homeschoolers from stable two-parent families who take tests administered by their parents in the comfort of their own homes outscore the average public school child by large margins.
The simple fact is that no studies of academic achievement exist that draw from a representative, nationwide sample of homeschoolers and control for background variables like socio-economic or marital status. It is thus impossible to say whether or not homeschooling as such has any impact on the sort of academic achievement measured by standardized tests.
How does U.S. homeschoolers’ academic performance compare with other students?
Evidence regarding this question has been fraught with controversy because most of the studies that have received widest attention have been interpreted to say something they do not and cannot. We simply can’t draw any conclusions about the academic performance of the “average homeschooler,” because none of the studies so often cited employ random samples representing the full range of homeschoolers.
For example, two large U.S. studies (Rudner, 1999; Ray, 2009) are frequently cited as definitive evidence that homeschoolers academically outperform public and private school students. But in both cases, the homeschool participants were volunteers responding to an invitation by the nation’s most prominent advocacy organization to contribute test scores (on tests usually administered by parents in the child’s own home). The demographics of these samples were far whiter, more religious, more married, better educated, and wealthier than national averages. And yet these test score results were compared to average public school scores that included children from all income levels and family backgrounds. Not surprisingly, wealthy homeschoolers from stable two-parent families who take tests administered by their parents in the comfort of their own homes outscore the average public school child by large margins.
The simple fact is that no studies of academic achievement exist that draw from a representative, nationwide sample of homeschoolers and control for background variables like socio-economic or marital status. It is thus impossible to say whether or not homeschooling as such has any impact on the sort of academic achievement measured by standardized tests.
Skull Pilot
Diamond Member
- Nov 17, 2007
- 45,446
- 6,164
- 1,830
Really?
HOME-SCHOOLING Outstanding results on national tests - Washington Times
Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile.
The average public school student taking these standardized tests scored at the 50th percentile in each subject area.
It seems it is true and the claims you are making regarding performance and socialization aren't
Skull Pilot
Diamond Member
- Nov 17, 2007
- 45,446
- 6,164
- 1,830
IMO the vehemence shown to those who wish to home school comes from a place other than concern for the child.
What we are really seeing here is a resentment of those who do not wish to follow the flock
What we are really seeing here is a resentment of those who do not wish to follow the flock
R.D.
Gold Member
- Feb 7, 2011
- 8,445
- 2,584
- 245
There's this local private school that only accepts top talent.. They love to advertise that their graduates have such high test results. I suppose if you only have top talent it's pretty hard to screw that up.
Similar threads
New Topics
-
ICE must 'immediately' release immigrant who was detained after calling 911 to help save someone else's life, judge says- Started by C_Clayton_Jones
- Replies: 0
-
-
LA implements $30/hr min wage for hotel workers. Hotels slash worker hours- Started by 1srelluc
- Replies: 0
-
Know how Liberal Scholars and Echo Chambers suggest Red States are the real welfare States?- Started by IDIOCRACY
- Replies: 6
-
Zone1 Pray for the Iranian people, many comparisons right now to the Book of Esther.- Started by DennisPTate
- Replies: 5
