Hiroshima August 1945

[gipper]

https://digitalcommons.georgiasouthern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1171&context=aujh

".. The decision has sparked disagreements between historians, with the main three groups being orthodox, revisionist, and post-revisionist. Orthodox historians argue that the atomic bombs were necessary and saved both American and Japanese lives.1 On the other hand, revisionist historians argue that the bombing was unnecessary and used to intimate the Soviet Union and limit its expansion in East Asia and Europe. Lastly, post-revisionists argue that the bombs would be used regardless of the Soviets but the Soviet problems added a supplementary reason for their use. Despite Hiroshima and Nagasaki being credited to prevent the world from nuclear wars, around2,000 nuclear weapons were tested in the last five decades.2 Thus, the nuclear danger is present nowadays and, by having a better understanding of why the A-bombs were used against Japan, it becomes easier to prevent their future usage. This brings forth the important question: “To what extent was Truman’s decision to deploy the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945intended to limit Soviet influence in the region?” This essay will address this question, using these three schools of thought, primary and secondary sources with incorporated source evaluation to answer the question at hand."

The terrible irony is Stalin knew all about the bomb due to his multiple spies well placed in FDR’s administration. Truman thinking he would intimidate Stalin by ruthlessly massacring defenseless Japanese, proved to be one of the greatest **** ups of all time.

 

[Donald H]

Truman could have done a lot to avoid using nuclear weapons but history tells us that he was a freaking clueless democrat pick and the generals and the eggheads were calling the shots. The generals wanted revenge and the eggheads wanted to see what their doomsday weapons could do on real humans. The eggheads did what eggheads always did and avoided responsibility for the monster they created and the politicians avoided responsibility for the monster they unleased because the historians write history.

It was a time when Americans trusted their president was intelligent enough to call the shots. The important shots!

That time is gone and so you're smart enough to understand that at least.

You've only left out the part about the US acting before the Soviets. (don't bother, I know the whole story)

 

[Donald H]

The U.S. had world dominance after 1945. For four years we were the only superpower. We could have exterminated the USSR if we had desired. Even after the Soviets produced their nukes, they lacked delivery systems. The only aircraft they had that could carry a nuke was their carbon copy of the B-29, the Tupolev Tu-4 Bull and it lacked the range to reach the Western Hemisphere. The U.S. was immune to Soviet nukes until the Tupolev Tu-95 Bear in 1952 and R-7 ICBM in 1959 were developed.
If the table was flipped, the USSR would have used its nukes and would be dominating the entire Earth today.

The Soviet Union defeated fascism. Russia/the Brics might have to do it again.

 

[BlindBoo]

The terrible irony is Stalin knew all about the bomb due to his multiple spies well placed in FDR’s administration. Truman thinking he would intimidate Stalin by ruthlessly massacring defenseless Japanese, proved to be one of the greatest **** ups of all time.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. My opinion is that Truman would rather see Japanese die than American Soldiers. Also when Stalin saw that Truman had the balls to drop the bomb he stopped his aggression in Asia.

 

[BlindBoo]

There were over 100 thousand deaths immediately from the bombs that dropped. There were 100 thousand more deaths over the next few months from radiation sickness. The lucky ones died in the initial blasts.

The Allies conventional fire bombing killed more civilians than the two atomic bombs.

 

[Donald H]

It's too bad the Japanese didn't surrender after they were roundly defeated in the Pacific and driven back to their home island. Those are terrible weapons and should never be used like that again.

All sides are taking great precautions against the use of nuclear weapons.

That's the reason why the Zionists' threat of nukes is all bullshit.

Reality is now modern conventional weapons and America has slept through facing the challenge. If the Zionists start a war against Iran, they will be toast.

We need an open discussion on the consequences for the US if they try to make it a bigger war by joining the Z regime.

USMB could be the first to take on the challenge!

 

[22lcidw]

It was a time when Americans trusted their president was intelligent enough to call the shots. The important shots!

That time is gone and so you're smart enough to understand that at least.

You've only left out the part about the US acting before the Soviets. (don't bother, I know the whole story)

D Day in Europe and the invasion after and taking small islands in the Pacific along with naval battles from our military produced hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of physical and psychological casualties. If Progs were involved in D Day we would have went to Iceland. Those men slaughtered deserve praise every day.

 

[Donald H]

D Day in Europe and the invasion after and taking small islands in the Pacific along with naval battles from our military produced hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of physical and psychological casualties. If Progs were involved in D Day we would have went to Iceland. Those men slaughtered deserve praise every day.

The US made a small contribution to the Soviet's victory. So did GB.

 

[BlindBoo]

D Day in Europe and the invasion after and taking small islands in the Pacific along with naval battles from our military produced hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of physical and psychological casualties. If Progs were involved in D Day we would have went to Iceland. Those men slaughtered deserve praise every day.

Agreed.

Sadly not all Americans agree.

"A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”

Report: Trump disparaged US war dead as ‘losers,’ ‘suckers’

A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”

www.militarytimes.com

senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump’s comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.

The defense officials said Trump made the comments as he begged off visiting the cemetery outside Paris during a meeting following his presidential daily briefing on the morning of Nov. 10, 2018.

 

[gipper]

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. My opinion is that Truman would rather see Japanese die than American Soldiers. Also when Statin saw that Truman had the balls to drop the bomb he stopped his aggression in Asia.

Oh please. Did it ever occur to you the US didn’t need to invade the Japanese homeland to win the war?

You think it takes balls to incinerate hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. I don’t. He’s a ******* psychopath.

Stop believing statist myths and get informed. This will help…

Eighty Years After the Atomic Bombs​

With unconscionable carnage and up to 85M deaths, the Second World War was the greatest catastrophe in history. In a sense, the atomic bombs were an apt climax to that orgy of butchery.​

Harry Truman insisted the decision to vaporize or fatally irradiate almost a quarter million civilians (plus a dozen American prisoners of war) was his and his alone.

Whether meant as acknowledgment or confession, this assertion was correct. The buck stopped with him. It was Harry Truman who (literally) “gave ‘em Hell”.

The president assured the world (and presumably his conscience) that he had no choice. Proud and stubborn, the Japanese would never surrender. Nuclear weapons were the only way to end the war.

In a sense, like an abortionist convincing himself his victims aren’t really human, Truman had to believe that. Otherwise, what would his actions say about him?

Most Americans seemed to accept his argument. Retroactive propaganda argued the destruction of two sizable cities saved up to “a million lives” that would’ve been lost by invading the islands. Besides, “the Japs” had it coming for bombing Pearl Harbor!

OK. But which “Japs”?

Leave aside FDR’s pre-war actions intended to entice a Japanese attack. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were filled with half a million civilians who had no say in what their government did. Were those “the Japs” who had it coming? Why?

Grasping for Straws

Almost four years earlier, 2,400 Americans died on the “date which will live in infamy”. Most were in the Navy… plus over 200 in the Army, about a hundred Marines, and 68 civilians. Nearly half the dead were on the USS Arizona.

Government officials (in Tokyo and DC) needed to answer for that. But did the mothers, infants, and elderly of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How many of them picked the fight, gave the orders, flew the planes, or dropped the bombs that killed Americans that morning in Hawaii?

Dastardly as Pearl Harbor was, the attack was obviously trained on a military target. Atomic bomb advocates, including Truman, suggested Hiroshima and Nagasaki were too. That’s preposterous… akin to wiping out Waikiki because Pearl Harbor was near Honolulu.

Truman grasped for more straws. On the day Nagasaki was obliterated, the president defended the first bombing by saying Hiroshima was “an industrial center”. But its major factories sat far from the bullseye at the center of the city, and “Little Boy” left those largely unscathed.

As historian Ralph Raico wondered, if Hiroshima were such a vital military target, why was it untouched by years of air raids, and excluded from Bomber Command’s list of thirty-three primary targets?

After the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden earlier that year, official angst over innocent life carries little credibility. The U.S. government clearly had few qualms about killing civilians. Truman was caught chuckling during his announcement of the Hiroshima bombing (at the 2:30 mark):

Eighty Years After the Atomic Bombs - LewRockwell

 

[BlindBoo]

The US made a small contribution to the Soviet's victory. So did GB.

Sure sure that was the post war propaganda from 1948 and on.....

'We Would Have Lost': Did U.S. Lend-Lease Aid Tip The Balance In Soviet Fight Against Nazi Germany?

Ever since the Cold War, many Soviet and Russian politicians and academics have downplayed the role that U.S.-provided weapons and supplies played in the Red Army's ultimately victorious campaign against Hitler's Germany. But there is substantial evidence that the huge influx of materiel made an...

www.rferl.org

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

 

[BlindBoo]

Oh please. Did it ever occur to you the US didn’t need to invade the Japanese homeland to win the war?

Hindsight is 20/20. If the bomb has not exploded properly in testing the invasion plan was all but set.

 

[MarathonMike]

Agreed.

Sadly not all Americans agree.

"A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”

Report: Trump disparaged US war dead as ‘losers,’ ‘suckers’

A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”

www.militarytimes.com

senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump’s comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.

The defense officials said Trump made the comments as he begged off visiting the cemetery outside Paris during a meeting following his presidential daily briefing on the morning of Nov. 10, 2018.

Still pushing the "Suckers and Losers" BS. No President in recent history has been more supportive of US military than Trump. The faithful goldfish gobble up whatever anti-Trump narrative the Democrats and their Media pushes.

 

[Donald H]

Sure sure that was the post war propaganda from 1948 and on.....

'We Would Have Lost': Did U.S. Lend-Lease Aid Tip The Balance In Soviet Fight Against Nazi Germany?

Ever since the Cold War, many Soviet and Russian politicians and academics have downplayed the role that U.S.-provided weapons and supplies played in the Red Army's ultimately victorious campaign against Hitler's Germany. But there is substantial evidence that the huge influx of materiel made an...

www.rferl.org

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

It's somewhat true that was America's contribution.

Kruschev was educated on being able to send a mixed message.

He saved the world from nuclear war by bluffing Kennedy down on the Cuban missile crisis.

Kennedy took the offer to get out gracefully and most likely ensured that his life wouldn't end gracefully.

 

[San Souci]

It was the US's demonstration of strength to the Soviets, at the cost of the Japanese.

It spurred the Soviets on to develop their own and that has saved humanity for 80 years.

And after all that, the world is quickly turning to conventional weapons to defend against US aggression, after all!

They did not develope it--They Stole it

 

[Deadstick]

The U.S. had world dominance after 1945. For four years we were the only superpower. We could have exterminated the USSR if we had desired. Even after the Soviets produced their nukes, they lacked delivery systems. The only aircraft they had that could carry a nuke was their carbon copy of the B-29, the Tupolev Tu-4 Bull and it lacked the range to reach the Western Hemisphere. The U.S. was immune to Soviet nukes until the Tupolev Tu-95 Bear in 1952 and R-7 ICBM in 1959 were developed.
If the table was flipped, the USSR would have used its nukes and would be dominating the entire Earth today.

Why would you have wanted to do that after the Soviets lost about 26million people and was totally devastated, unless you were a total satanic Psycho.

 

[Deadstick]

They did not develope it--They Stole it

Developed stole who cares?

 

[San Souci]

Developed stole who cares?

Good point-- Since they HAVE 'em.

 

[Deadstick]

We will never know the whole reason for dropping those bombs, the japs were fanatics but the Country had been devastated one thing no one has mentioned the Soviets said they were going to get involved against Japan as agreed at Yalta, maybe the Japs realized if that happened there would be no Japanese State left so decided to throw the towel in while there still was a State.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You imagine people forgot?

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My little town put up flags all over today, but supposedly because it's Purple Heart Day, but when the subject came up in discussion, folks knew a lot more about Hiroshima.

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