Hey RWs: if you're so opposed to raising the min. wage, what exactly do you think would boost wages?

[Norman]

Wages in America in the lower classes have been stagnant for DECADES while the cost of living continues to rise. Meanwhile, most of the income gains have gone to the top 1% of earners. This is all while productivity in the lower classes has skyrocketed in the last few decades.

If you're so opposed to raising the minimum wage to ANY level, how exactly are we supposed to boost wages? Keep in mind 1/4 of the workforce in America makes less than $10 per hour. 10s of millions more make less than $15 per hour. That means we are facing a serious wage crisis that 10s of millions of Americans have NO CHOICE but to endure. Higher wage jobs are scarce and extremely competitive and even most of them pay less than it what is required for the current cost of living standards.

What specific policies would fix this? Now many of you may claim deporting all illegals would boost wages, but not only would this skyrocket the deficit, it would take decades to achieve. Even if we did pull this off, it's not like businesses across the country would collectively say "well all the illegals are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to pay my workers more!". Don't be stupid.

Corporate profits are already at an all time high. That means cutting taxes on top earners/corporations or deregulating wouldn't do jack shit improve the economy. That's mostly because those policies never have anyway.

So let's hear them. What are your brilliant solutions? Obviously no republicans in office have any ideas. They prey upon your ignorance.

A good economy increases wages. The economy gets better, businesses expand, more jobs are created, competition amongst employers leads to higher wages.

If you are talking about McDonalds, no burger flipper deserves $15 no matter how scarce they are.

You have it exactly backwards. Good wages grow the economy and create more jobs.

No, they do not. Your math skills suck pal.

What grows the economy professor?

70% of the GDP is consumer spending and 90% of consumers make less than 100K. Now show me where an increase in wages for the bulk of consumers would not create spending and growth.

This message about sums up the idiocy of a regressive.

"If you just redistribute the GDP components differently they will add up to a bigger number!" "Also, F*** savings and future; SPEND SPEND SPEND!"

Liberal math/values at work!

 

[Billy000]

They do when the demand for workers outpace the demand for work, moron. If you knew anything about the market you would understand it, fuckwad.

Oh really? You do know the demand for work would be high with or without Mexicans, right?

Lmao.....


20 million plus illegal Mexicans....


God are you stupid.


Btw dumb **** thought UE was under 5% ?

Oh you mean the stat including children? Tell me, if we got rid of all of the illegals, and demand would go up, why would employers want to raise wages if they know so many people are desperate enough for work? Where is the incentive? Obviously they wouldn't need to make the job more attractive.

Lmao again what?

Its supply and demand, less workers = wages go up.


How hard for you to not understand that is beyond comprehension.



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There is nothing more hilarious than when a libtard starts an economic thread. Libtards are totally clueless how business and economies work

Lol you and I both know you have no idea how to raise wages in this country.

 

[Norman]

All I see from cons is " let the market work".
What market? What market forces are acting to keep wages flat for decades? Profits up, productivity up, those were historically the best upward forces acting on wages. What are they now? Could it be that there is simply be the absence of any significant advocates for workers?

Productivity is up because technology now allows unskilled laborers to perform tasks that only highly skilled people used to be able to do
And what sector of the economy has been outpacing others for a while now?

Technology

Answer the question.

I did

No, you didn't.
Market forces fluctuate, they don't remain nearly stagnant for decades. What market forces act to keep wages stagnant? What forces act upward on wages and why aren't they present even in the face of record profits over the same period?

You've said nothing per usual.

The market forces, which dictate that the liberal leech regressives would have to get up from their couch parasiting off the economy, to improve their wages. Those forces of the market.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Oh really? You do know the demand for work would be high with or without Mexicans, right?

Lmao.....


20 million plus illegal Mexicans....


God are you stupid.


Btw dumb **** thought UE was under 5% ?

Oh you mean the stat including children? Tell me, if we got rid of all of the illegals, and demand would go up, why would employers want to raise wages if they know so many people are desperate enough for work? Where is the incentive? Obviously they wouldn't need to make the job more attractive.

Lmao again what?

Its supply and demand, less workers = wages go up.


How hard for you to not understand that is beyond comprehension.



.

There is nothing more hilarious than when a libtard starts an economic thread. Libtards are totally clueless how business and economies work

Lol you and I both know you have no idea how to raise wages in this country.

One is paid what one is worth....nobody alive is worth $15 an hour to flip burgers. Now run along, Billy...you're stupid.

 

[Skull Pilot]

All I see from cons is " let the market work".
What market? What market forces are acting to keep wages flat for decades? Profits up, productivity up, those were historically the best upward forces acting on wages. What are they now? Could it be that there is simply be the absence of any significant advocates for workers?

Productivity is up because technology now allows unskilled laborers to perform tasks that only highly skilled people used to be able to do
And what sector of the economy has been outpacing others for a while now?

Technology

Answer the question.

I did

No, you didn't.
Market forces fluctuate, they don't remain nearly stagnant for decades. What market forces act to keep wages stagnant? What forces act upward on wages and why aren't they present even in the face of record profits over the same period?

You've said nothing per usual.

I told you why productivity and profits are up and how low and unskilled workers can no produce things that in the past only highly skilled craftsmen could. If you're too dense to see how that is a market force than can keep wages low by using the that's your problem

 

[PredFan]

Wages in America in the lower classes have been stagnant for DECADES while the cost of living continues to rise. Meanwhile, most of the income gains have gone to the top 1% of earners. This is all while productivity in the lower classes has skyrocketed in the last few decades.

If you're so opposed to raising the minimum wage to ANY level, how exactly are we supposed to boost wages? Keep in mind 1/4 of the workforce in America makes less than $10 per hour. 10s of millions more make less than $15 per hour. That means we are facing a serious wage crisis that 10s of millions of Americans have NO CHOICE but to endure. Higher wage jobs are scarce and extremely competitive and even most of them pay less than it what is required for the current cost of living standards.

What specific policies would fix this? Now many of you may claim deporting all illegals would boost wages, but not only would this skyrocket the deficit, it would take decades to achieve. Even if we did pull this off, it's not like businesses across the country would collectively say "well all the illegals are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to pay my workers more!". Don't be stupid.

Corporate profits are already at an all time high. That means cutting taxes on top earners/corporations or deregulating wouldn't do jack shit improve the economy. That's mostly because those policies never have anyway.

So let's hear them. What are your brilliant solutions? Obviously no republicans in office have any ideas. They prey upon your ignorance.

A good economy increases wages. The economy gets better, businesses expand, more jobs are created, competition amongst employers leads to higher wages.

If you are talking about McDonalds, no burger flipper deserves $15 no matter how scarce they are.

You have it exactly backwards. Good wages grow the economy and create more jobs.

No, they do not. Your math skills suck pal.

What grows the economy professor?

70% of the GDP is consumer spending and 90% of consumers make less than 100K. Now show me where an increase in wages for the bulk of consumers would not create spending and growth.

Cause and effect, idiot. Learn it.

 

[PredFan]

Look morons, the OP asked a question and we answered it.

Don't like the answer? Well stay stupid then.

That's hilarious.
You're too dumb to even realize you're dumb.

Hey stay stupid then. Good luck with that.

 

[Billy000]

Lmao.....


20 million plus illegal Mexicans....


God are you stupid.


Btw dumb **** thought UE was under 5% ?

Oh you mean the stat including children? Tell me, if we got rid of all of the illegals, and demand would go up, why would employers want to raise wages if they know so many people are desperate enough for work? Where is the incentive? Obviously they wouldn't need to make the job more attractive.

Lmao again what?

Its supply and demand, less workers = wages go up.


How hard for you to not understand that is beyond comprehension.



.

There is nothing more hilarious than when a libtard starts an economic thread. Libtards are totally clueless how business and economies work

Lol you and I both know you have no idea how to raise wages in this country.

One is paid what one is worth....nobody alive is worth $15 an hour to flip burgers. Now run along, Billy...you're stupid.

So you admit you have no idea? You also have no concept of the cost of living standards. You have no concept of what $15 per hour even buys. You are too stupid to realize that 10s of millions of people make less than $15 per hour. You're too dumb to realize that skilled jobs nowadays pay shit.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Oh you mean the stat including children? Tell me, if we got rid of all of the illegals, and demand would go up, why would employers want to raise wages if they know so many people are desperate enough for work? Where is the incentive? Obviously they wouldn't need to make the job more attractive.

Lmao again what?

Its supply and demand, less workers = wages go up.


How hard for you to not understand that is beyond comprehension.



.

There is nothing more hilarious than when a libtard starts an economic thread. Libtards are totally clueless how business and economies work

Lol you and I both know you have no idea how to raise wages in this country.

One is paid what one is worth....nobody alive is worth $15 an hour to flip burgers. Now run along, Billy...you're stupid.

So you admit you have no idea? You also have no concept of the cost of living standards. You have no concept of what $15 per hour even buys. You are too stupid to realize that 10s of millions of people make less than $15 per hour. You're too dumb to realize that skilled jobs nowadays pay shit.

Get a damn education to start with...again if you have no education and/or no experience you're not worth 15 bucks an hour. I don't worry about it. If someone is either incapable of doing what it takes to better themselves that's on them, not my worry. Besides it cuts into profits which cuts dividends and then it hits me in the pocketbook

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wages in America in the lower classes have been stagnant for DECADES while the cost of living continues to rise. Meanwhile, most of the income gains have gone to the top 1% of earners. This is all while productivity in the lower classes has skyrocketed in the last few decades.

If you're so opposed to raising the minimum wage to ANY level, how exactly are we supposed to boost wages? Keep in mind 1/4 of the workforce in America makes less than $10 per hour. 10s of millions more make less than $15 per hour. That means we are facing a serious wage crisis that 10s of millions of Americans have NO CHOICE but to endure. Higher wage jobs are scarce and extremely competitive and even most of them pay less than it what is required for the current cost of living standards.

What specific policies would fix this? Now many of you may claim deporting all illegals would boost wages, but not only would this skyrocket the deficit, it would take decades to achieve. Even if we did pull this off, it's not like businesses across the country would collectively say "well all the illegals are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to pay my workers more!". Don't be stupid.

Corporate profits are already at an all time high. That means cutting taxes on top earners/corporations or deregulating wouldn't do jack shit improve the economy. That's mostly because those policies never have anyway.

So let's hear them. What are your brilliant solutions? Obviously no republicans in office have any ideas. They prey upon your ignorance.

If you're so opposed to raising the minimum wage to ANY level, how exactly are we supposed to boost wages?

Cut taxes, reduce regulations, boot 11 million illegals.

Now many of you may claim deporting all illegals would boost wages, but not only would this skyrocket the deficit,

In Illinois, we spend about $11,000 per year per student. Many districts are struggling with huge numbers of poorly educated illegals who require ESL services on top of the typical student costs.
Boot them and we'll save $100s of millions. Why would that increase the deficit?

it would take decades to achieve.

Why? Spell it out.

it's not like businesses across the country would collectively say "well all the illegals are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to pay my workers more!".

Of course they wouldn't say that, they'd simply realize that to hire enough workers, now that the illegals are gone, they'd have to pay more.

Don't be stupid.

No need, you've got that covered.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Surprise surprise Billy only reads here what he wants to read.

Raise the EITC , raising the national Minimum wage don't do a God Damn thing to help the poor except make some with out a ******* job.


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You do know the minimum wage has been raised many times before and nothing catastrophic happened right? Yeah, sure, some small businesses would suffer, but millions of people would have higher wages. Prices may go up depending on how high, but it wouldn't be enough to offset the hundreds of dollars more a month people would make. Over time the boost to consumer spending would CREATE jobs.

So tell me jackass, how do we boost wages? We both know you have no idea.

You do know the minimum wage has been raised many times before and nothing catastrophic happened right?

You do know the minimum wage has been raised many times before and poverty wasn't fixed, right?

 

[Billy000]

Lmao again what?

Its supply and demand, less workers = wages go up.


How hard for you to not understand that is beyond comprehension.



.

There is nothing more hilarious than when a libtard starts an economic thread. Libtards are totally clueless how business and economies work

Lol you and I both know you have no idea how to raise wages in this country.

One is paid what one is worth....nobody alive is worth $15 an hour to flip burgers. Now run along, Billy...you're stupid.

So you admit you have no idea? You also have no concept of the cost of living standards. You have no concept of what $15 per hour even buys. You are too stupid to realize that 10s of millions of people make less than $15 per hour. You're too dumb to realize that skilled jobs nowadays pay shit.

Get a damn education to start with...again if you have no education and/or no experience you're not worth 15 bucks an hour. I don't worry about it. If someone is either incapable of doing what it takes to better themselves that's on them, not my worry. Besides it cuts into profits which cuts dividends and then it hits me in the pocketbook

Gee how are these low wage workers supposed to be able to afford the education? And even if they did, the competition verses availability for these jobs makes it extremely difficult to get ahead.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Gee, Billy, do you think 12 million illegals willing to work for less might have something to do with low wages? Why would anybody hire you for $15 an hour when they can hire a ******* for $8?

You're such a moron. Getting rid Mexicans, as much as your tiny bigoted would like it, wouldn't do jack shit to raise wages. WHY would businesses raise wages for citizens? It's not like ******* workers negotiate their wages with their employers in this day and age you idiot.

WHY would businesses raise wages for citizens?

Supply and demand. Durr.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There is nothing more hilarious than when a libtard starts an economic thread. Libtards are totally clueless how business and economies work

Lol you and I both know you have no idea how to raise wages in this country.

One is paid what one is worth....nobody alive is worth $15 an hour to flip burgers. Now run along, Billy...you're stupid.

So you admit you have no idea? You also have no concept of the cost of living standards. You have no concept of what $15 per hour even buys. You are too stupid to realize that 10s of millions of people make less than $15 per hour. You're too dumb to realize that skilled jobs nowadays pay shit.

Get a damn education to start with...again if you have no education and/or no experience you're not worth 15 bucks an hour. I don't worry about it. If someone is either incapable of doing what it takes to better themselves that's on them, not my worry. Besides it cuts into profits which cuts dividends and then it hits me in the pocketbook

Gee how are these low wage workers supposed to be able to afford the education? And even if they did, the competition verses availability for these jobs makes it extremely difficult to get ahead.

My husband and I went to college, nobody paid our tuition. It's called student loans....but pay them back. If not do a hitch in the military, they'll train you.

Stop expecting something for nothing. Get off your dead asses and earn it

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fair and simple tax codes, including a simple corporate tax rate of 5% with non-executive payroll as the only write-off.

Give freedom and simplicity a chance.

with non-executive payroll as the only write-off.

You can't write-off COGS?
Why not?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Wages in America in the lower classes have been stagnant for DECADES while the cost of living continues to rise. Meanwhile, most of the income gains have gone to the top 1% of earners. This is all while productivity in the lower classes has skyrocketed in the last few decades.

If you're so opposed to raising the minimum wage to ANY level, how exactly are we supposed to boost wages? Keep in mind 1/4 of the workforce in America makes less than $10 per hour. 10s of millions more make less than $15 per hour. That means we are facing a serious wage crisis that 10s of millions of Americans have NO CHOICE but to endure. Higher wage jobs are scarce and extremely competitive and even most of them pay less than it what is required for the current cost of living standards.

What specific policies would fix this? Now many of you may claim deporting all illegals would boost wages, but not only would this skyrocket the deficit, it would take decades to achieve. Even if we did pull this off, it's not like businesses across the country would collectively say "well all the illegals are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to pay my workers more!". Don't be stupid.

Corporate profits are already at an all time high. That means cutting taxes on top earners/corporations or deregulating wouldn't do jack shit improve the economy. That's mostly because those policies never have anyway.

So let's hear them. What are your brilliant solutions? Obviously no republicans in office have any ideas. They prey upon your ignorance.

A good economy increases wages. The economy gets better, businesses expand, more jobs are created, competition amongst employers leads to higher wages.

If you are talking about McDonalds, no burger flipper deserves $15 no matter how scarce they are.

You have it exactly backwards. Good wages grow the economy and create more jobs.

No, they do not. Your math skills suck pal.

What grows the economy professor?

70% of the GDP is consumer spending and 90% of consumers make less than 100K. Now show me where an increase in wages for the bulk of consumers would not create spending and growth.

This message about sums up the idiocy of a regressive.

"If you just redistribute the GDP components differently they will add up to a bigger number!" "Also, F*** savings and future; SPEND SPEND SPEND!"

Liberal math/values at work!

Refute what I posted or get lost. We have a consumer driven economy, if consumers don't spend more than they did yesterday then there is no growth and no increase in demand. Wages need to grow for that to happen.

There's nothing wrong with my math. It's your lack of an education that's confounding you.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

All I see from cons is " let the market work".
What market? What market forces are acting to keep wages flat for decades? Profits up, productivity up, those were historically the best upward forces acting on wages. What are they now? Could it be that there is simply be the absence of any significant advocates for workers?

Productivity is up because technology now allows unskilled laborers to perform tasks that only highly skilled people used to be able to do
And what sector of the economy has been outpacing others for a while now?

Technology

Answer the question.

I did

No, you didn't.
Market forces fluctuate, they don't remain nearly stagnant for decades. What market forces act to keep wages stagnant? What forces act upward on wages and why aren't they present even in the face of record profits over the same period?

You've said nothing per usual.

The market forces, which dictate that the liberal leech regressives would have to get up from their couch parasiting off the economy, to improve their wages. Those forces of the market.

^^ More nothing per usual.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Look morons, the OP asked a question and we answered it.

Don't like the answer? Well stay stupid then.

That's hilarious.
You're too dumb to even realize you're dumb.

Hey stay stupid then. Good luck with that.

Nice retort professor.

 

[Norman]

A good economy increases wages. The economy gets better, businesses expand, more jobs are created, competition amongst employers leads to higher wages.

If you are talking about McDonalds, no burger flipper deserves $15 no matter how scarce they are.

You have it exactly backwards. Good wages grow the economy and create more jobs.

No, they do not. Your math skills suck pal.

What grows the economy professor?

70% of the GDP is consumer spending and 90% of consumers make less than 100K. Now show me where an increase in wages for the bulk of consumers would not create spending and growth.

This message about sums up the idiocy of a regressive.

"If you just redistribute the GDP components differently they will add up to a bigger number!" "Also, F*** savings and future; SPEND SPEND SPEND!"

Liberal math/values at work!

Refute what I posted or get lost. We have a consumer driven economy, if consumers don't spend more than they did yesterday then there is no growth and no increase in demand. Wages need to grow for that to happen.

There's nothing wrong with my math. It's your lack of an education that's confounding you.

Actually the GDP equation through expenditure is C+I+G+NX

Through income it is:

Compensation of employees + Rent + Interest + Proprietor’s Income + Corporate Profits + Indirect business taxes + Depreciation + Net foreign factor income

So far you have identified two components, and think economy can grow only based on those two, which is false (in fact the economic growth of the last 50 years has mostly NOT dependent on wages). In addition, the GDP won't be any higher if you just redistribute it from one part to a other, or make it illegal for poor people to work. So far this is the plan outlined.

In other words, you are full of shit, and absolutely uneducated. Get lost, regressive.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Lol you and I both know you have no idea how to raise wages in this country.

One is paid what one is worth....nobody alive is worth $15 an hour to flip burgers. Now run along, Billy...you're stupid.

So you admit you have no idea? You also have no concept of the cost of living standards. You have no concept of what $15 per hour even buys. You are too stupid to realize that 10s of millions of people make less than $15 per hour. You're too dumb to realize that skilled jobs nowadays pay shit.

Get a damn education to start with...again if you have no education and/or no experience you're not worth 15 bucks an hour. I don't worry about it. If someone is either incapable of doing what it takes to better themselves that's on them, not my worry. Besides it cuts into profits which cuts dividends and then it hits me in the pocketbook

Gee how are these low wage workers supposed to be able to afford the education? And even if they did, the competition verses availability for these jobs makes it extremely difficult to get ahead.

My husband and I went to college, nobody paid our tuition. It's called student loans....but pay them back. If not do a hitch in the military, they'll train you.

Stop expecting something for nothing. Get off your dead asses and earn it

I went to college

Not likely.