Here we go again, SS and Medicare going Bankrupt but not welfare?

[JustAnotherNut]

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate

surprise, liberal big govt never does what it is supposed to do. That's the entire reason our genius Founders gave us freedom from big liberals govt with our Constitution.

Founding Fathers would have a kanipshun fit if they were alive today to see what this country has become.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Here we go again, SS and Medicare going Bankrupt but not welfare?”

Here we go again: more ignorance and stupidity from the right – along with a false comparison fallacy.

 

[danielpalos]

Can Medicare, Social Security survive 10,000 new boomers a day?

By the time the last of this generation approaches retirement age in 2029, 18 percent of the U.S. will be at least that age, the Pew Research Center projects. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services estimates there will be 81 million beneficiaries in 2030. For sure, many of those Americans will resist retirement if possible for both economic and lifestyle reasons.

But the explosive volume of Americans qualifying for benefits will put extraordinary pressure on government spending for Social Security and Medicare – two of the premier federal entitlement programs that are gradually running short of cash.

Would it be better to stop Welfare after 2 years, FORCE people back to work, instead of them suckling the government teat forever?

You can't even give a tax preference to the rich, for a Jobs Boom.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare f.

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Can Medicare, Social Security survive 10,000 new boomers a day?

By the time the last of this generation approaches retirement age in 2029, 18 percent of the U.S. will be at least that age, the Pew Research Center projects. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services estimates there will be 81 million beneficiaries in 2030. For sure, many of those Americans will resist retirement if possible for both economic and lifestyle reasons.

But the explosive volume of Americans qualifying for benefits will put extraordinary pressure on government spending for Social Security and Medicare – two of the premier federal entitlement programs that are gradually running short of cash.

Would it be better to stop Welfare after 2 years, FORCE people back to work, instead of them suckling the government teat forever?

Most benefit programs require recipients to work in order to collect. Take Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), for example. Single parents receiving this grant must work at least 30 hours per week in order to be eligible, and two-parent families must work between 35 and 50 hours a week.

Half of all food stamp recipients are children. More than 82% of all food stamp money goes to households that include children, elderly people, or people with disabilities. There is a 3 month limit on singles and couples without children and some states have gone further to require that they have jobs.

For the most part, the poor have jobs. I suppose you want them to get a second job, single mothers with kids should forgo raising their kids in favor a full time job, and of course children, the disabled and the sick should also work. Everybody works right, except of course the uber rich who live off their capital gains and tax free bonds.

 

[Moonglow]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare f.

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Social security need to be an on budget item again...

 

[Markle]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare from going belly up, DC needs to keep their grubby paws out of it.

There is no longer enough people contributing to the funds as there are expenditures. We're running in the red which means the money built up over the years and borrowed by our government is having to be paid back every year. That means those loans will all be paid back and there won't be enough coming in to pay our current obligations.

See the last line below.

For an explanation of each category, go to the website below and move the cursor over the specific budget item.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[Markle]

Social security need to be an on budget item again...

Where do you think it is and why do you think the deficit showed a false surplus during three of President Bill Clinton's administration?

 

[danielpalos]

SS and medicare are easily salvageable.

Medicaid and government assistance suffer because we need a military the cost of the next 21 countries.

Who do you suggest should fill the vacuum?

Petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama learned the hard way when he pulled all our troops out of Iraq against the advice of his generals and drew a red line in the sand which he then changed to twelve pink lines. ISIS and Russia have stepped in to fill the gap.

The defense of our nation is specifically addressed in our US Constitution. Medicaid and food stamps are not.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution, providing for the general warfare, is not.

 

[danielpalos]

Bush et al had no need to invade Iraq: what an incredible boon doogle that would have paid for SS and Medicare for some time. You neo-cons are exactly whom Washington and Eisenhower warned the American people against. Thank you for your inadvertent admission of defeat, keys.

The invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do at the time. Petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama claimed it a grand success and then, against all his advisors, foolishly removed all our troops leading to the disaster we have today.

Following the act of war on 9/11/2001, President Bush stunned al Qaeda with the intensity of his response resulting in no further fatal terrorist attacks on our soil for the balance of his term. Obviously, with President Obama's "lead from behind" philosophy we have had numerous all across our country and they are multiplying all around the world. Way to go Obama!

FYI

"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.

- Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration".[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)] The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society," he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."[/COLOR]

- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going? How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President? Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities. Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.

Just a waste of the (other) peoples' tax monies.

 

[danielpalos]

Bush et al had no need to invade Iraq: what an incredible boon doogle that would have paid for SS and Medicare for some time. You neo-cons are exactly whom Washington and Eisenhower warned the American people against. Thank you for your inadvertent admission of defeat, keys.

Damn Jake, pull your head out of your ass and take a breath of fresh air. How many fucking times do I have to show you how fucked up your side is?

War on poverty cost
The War on Poverty has cost $22 trillion -- three times more than what the government has spent on all wars in American history. Federal and state governments spend $1 trillion in taxpayer dollars on America's 80 means-tested welfare programs annually.
The War on Poverty Has Cost $22 Trillion - NCPA
ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?article_id=25288

lol. When are they going to put our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror under defense spending; no part of those programs should be under welfare spending.

 

[danielpalos]

Watching the hysterics of neo-cons like andaronjim and markle enliven the morning . . . somewhat.

Time and consequences have revealed the Iraq Invasion to be the worst debacle in American history before the election of Trump.

22 Trillion dollars wasted on a War that can never be won, is the worst debacle in American history Jake, you are probably one of the recipients of the EBT welfare cards.

like our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror? don't "hate on the poor", right wingers.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare f.

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare f.

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

When the transportation taxes aren't enough to fund the roads, where does the extra money come from? When Social Security has a shortfall, where does the extra money come from to make sure those on it , get paid? It used to amaze me the stupidity of the left, but after studying liberalism for 30 years plus now, I am well used to that liberal stupidity, as it comes from the public indoctrination from public schools.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare f.

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

When the transportation taxes aren't enough to fund the roads, where does the extra money come from? When Social Security has a shortfall, where does the extra money come from to make sure those on it , get paid? It used to amaze me the stupidity of the left, but after studying liberalism for 30 years plus now, I am well used to that liberal stupidity, as it comes from the public indoctrination from public schools.

As I said......borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, then print more

 

[danielpalos]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare f.

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

When have tax cuts ever solved that problem?

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Social Security & Medicare have absolutely nothing to do with Welfare & Medicaid. To stop SS & Mcare f.

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

When have tax cuts ever solved that problem?

tax cuts????? WHAT tax cuts?

 

[danielpalos]

all welfare entitlements paid for out of general revenue used by Democrats to subvert our democracy, steal our money, and make us vote for Democrats.

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

When have tax cuts ever solved that problem?

tax cuts????? WHAT tax cuts?

Why does our, One Percenter in Chief, believe we need tax cuts during times of massive debt?

 

[JustAnotherNut]

But Social Security/Medicare was SUPPOSED to be kept separate as something the people paid into in order to receive back from it, at either disability or retirement. Not included in general funds. Our taxes paid would go to general revenue for any government programs & budgetary financing.

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

When have tax cuts ever solved that problem?

tax cuts????? WHAT tax cuts?

Why does our, One Percenter in Chief, believe we need tax cuts during times of massive debt?

Short answer??? If you're picking a fight, go away & leave me alone. Not in the mood for it right now.

Another short answer??? I really don't know.....unless it has to do with restructuring & streamlining government finances and giving the people a bit of a break, even if it's temporary. Maybe that, maybe not. Have we received any tax cut from Trump yet????? Promises don't mean shit.

 

[danielpalos]

My dear, the government could never have a bank account to keep money in, that has been a trick the left played when the ex vagina candidate said that Social Security had a lock box. The government takes in TAXES(not revenue) distributes those taxes where needed, and if there is a shortage, the national debt goes up, if there is an overage, then tax breaks or new government programs come out. That is why the spending costs back in the 1980 was in the billions, today with all the liberal programs the spending costs are in the trillions. To the liberals it is never enough and they must spend more, tax more, and keep in power. That is why the left is rioting today, because they have lost power.

Have you ever seen the breakdown of where your money goes? What you and others pay to the government doesn't go in as a one lump sum to be distributed as needed elsewhere. What the feds get from gasoline taxes goes to fund transportation costs, what other countries pay for import/export doesn't pay for the space program. Of the thousands or millions of sources of federal income, it is distributed accordingly back to the source of which it came. Some of the income is allotted to the General Fund and/or Social programs.

Social Security & Medicare taxes taken out of your paycheck......goes to pay for those receiving it and those specific expenses. Only because SS was the only solvent government program, have they tapped into it and when you start borrowing from Peter to pay Paul you've got a problem. Not to mention all they've printed to make up for their spending sprees.

Maybe, just maybe things will turn around with Trump...but I'm not holding my breath

When have tax cuts ever solved that problem?

tax cuts????? WHAT tax cuts?

Why does our, One Percenter in Chief, believe we need tax cuts during times of massive debt?

Short answer??? If you're picking a fight, go away & leave me alone. Not in the mood for it right now.

Another short answer??? I really don't know.....unless it has to do with restructuring & streamlining government finances and giving the people a bit of a break, even if it's temporary. Maybe that, maybe not. Have we received any tax cut from Trump yet????? Promises don't mean shit.

Cutting taxes to achieve growth is mere speculation. Raising taxes to pay off the debt is not, speculation.