OK, enough of the DC pissing contest, it's time for good government, where are the adults? (Poll)

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think so. I'm betting Thune needs to go nuclear.

Yes, and now with the offer he made to them yesterday to negotiate the healthcare concerns, if they don't take that offer, he will be justified in the nuclear option.

 

[kyzr]

Yes, and now with the offer he made to them yesterday to negotiate the healthcare concerns, if they don't take that offer, he will be justified in the nuclear option.

Thune didn't offer anything new. He said vote for the CR and we'll negotiate.
Democrats keep saying, "put that $1.5T back or no CR"

This is ridiculous.
Thune needs to grow a pair and change the Senate rules for Appropriations, Budgets, Confirmations, and Rescissions, temporary items, not major "forever" Bills.

 

[kyzr]

Thune needs to put two documents on his desk, and give the democrats an ultimatum:
Sign the CR by noon tomorrow, and negotiate, OR,
I sign the Senate rules change to only need 51 votes for CRs, Appropriations, and Rescissions.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Thune needs to put two documents on his desk, and give the democrats an ultimatum:
Sign the CR by noon tomorrow, and negotiate, OR,
I sign the Senate rules change to only need 51 votes for CRs, Appropriations, and Rescissions.

Senator Thune does not have the power to arbitrarily change the Senate rules. Even as the Majority Leader.

He can put a motion on the floor to change the rules and if 51 Senators vote in the affirmative, then the rule is changed.

But remember the GOP will not always be in the majority. So that will open for the DEMs to put the money back with a simple majority.

WW

 

[kyzr]

Senator Thune does not have the power to arbitrarily change the Senate rules. Even as the Majority Leader.
He can put a motion on the floor to change the rules and if 51 Senators vote in the affirmative, then the rule is changed.
But remember the GOP will not always be in the majority. So that will open for the DEMs to put the money back with a simple majority.
WW

Agreed. Thune would need to pass the rule change first, then he could call for another vote on the CR.

The GOP has no choice about changing the rule. The democrats won't pass the CR, and the government needs to open.

As Hakeem Jeffries always says, "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity."

The rule change should include CRs, Appropriations, and Rescissions.

 

[Man With A Plan]

I don't think so. I'm betting Thune needs to go nuclear.

As soon as Trump starts firing government employees, especially in the departments that the Democrats like the most, Chuck Schumer will panic and cave.

 

[kyzr]

As soon as Trump starts firing government employees, especially in the departments that the Democrats like the most, Chuck Schumer will panic and cave.

Nope. That already happened today, the democrats don't care, they are forcing Thune to go nuclear.

 

[justoffal]

The Federal government shutdown has been going on for more than a week with no end in sight.
Republicans say pass the "clean CR", period.
Democrats say "put back the $1.5T of spending that was cut by the BBB, including restoring the ACA subsidies", period.

The problem is that we have too many lawyers and not enough "genius" in congress, we need "Problem Solvers", not "ideologues".

If congress was working in private industry there would be no shutdown, that wastes money, a deal would have been cut already, "one way or another".

Republicans are the majority, they need to push for a solution to end the shutdown:
1. Go nuclear and say "CRs only need 51 votes". A very wimpy solution, it just guarantees more CRs
2. Go nuclear for CRs, Appropriations, and Rescission Bills. A less wimpy solution, but it may bite them in the ass in the future.
3. Publish a proposed deal, let the MSM grade it, and dare the democrats to walk away.
Go for a "WIN-WIN Grand Bargain" that solves several of the major problems, Republicans should put these on the table:
a) Fix Social Security by raising the cap and adding 2-years to the early & full retirement ages
b) Fix Medicare (going bankrupt)
c) Give the ACA subsidy at 50% of the current Covid subsidy (half a loaf)
d) Pay for the subsidy by raising the top tax rate to 40%, Trump agrees, it helps balance the budget.
e) Appropriations Bills and CRs only need 51 votes to pass. (solves future unnecessary shutdowns)


If the democrats don't put up a suitable counter offer, just go with option #2. End the shutdown now.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-09-25

Stand-off continues more than a week into the government shutdown​

What shutdown?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

True that the CR has no cuts, but the democrats want the $1.5T that was cut in the BBB restored or they let the shutdown continue. Republicans just say "NO" without a counter offer. Which is what my OP tries to do. Lets solve problems...

That’s like negotiating with terrorists. It just makes the aggressor (democrats, in this case) more aggressive.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Agreed. Thune would need to pass the rule change first, then he could call for another vote on the CR.

The GOP has no choice about changing the rule. The democrats won't pass the CR, and the government needs to open.

As Hakeem Jeffries always says, "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity."

The rule change should include CRs, Appropriations, and Rescissions.

The GOP won't pass the CR, and the government needs to open.

The Senate has had votes on a DEM CR and and vote against it.

BOTH parties have voted against a CR.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

Thune didn't offer anything new. He said vote for the CR and we'll negotiate.
Democrats keep saying, "put that $1.5T back or no CR"

This is ridiculous.
Thune needs to grow a pair and change the Senate rules for Appropriations, Budgets, Confirmations, and Rescissions, temporary items, not major "forever" Bills.

He didn't make a firm offer, because he doesn't know who to negotiate with. Is it just Schumer, or does Schumer have control over more Democrat votes?

If Chuck Schumer really wants to get taxfunded healthcare back for people who crossed the border illegally ad people who are unwilling to work, this is his chance.

But Chuck has to show that he can rally the votes if it is in exchange for a vote on healthcare.

Since the polls are supposedly showing the overwhelming majority of Americans - even Trumpers - want the ACA subsidies to continue as they did in COVID, that vote might pass.

So the only questions are "does Chuck really want taxfuned healthcare or does he just want a shutdown?" and "will other Democrat and 'not Democrats' senators follow his lead, if he tells them to vote for the CR in exchange for the vote."

 

[Seymour Flops]

The GOP won't pass the CR, and the government needs to open.

The GOP already passed the CR in the house, and a 52 of 53 Republicans in the Senate voted to pass it. We would not have had a shutdown if Dems were not filibustering the clean CR.

The Senate has had votes on a DEM CR and and vote against it.

BOTH parties have voted against a CR.

WW

That is the dumbest logic I've read in a long time.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If they investigated members of Congress for insider trading as they would investigate you or I for the same trades, Admiral they'd
stop the blatant abuses. The SEC nailed Martha Stewart because her trades were too good to be true. They can look at the record of when you're buying and selling and they know that you're using insider information.

It is still not foolproof is my point, I fully support banning them from owning stock. Did you miss that part? I am saying you can make it difficult but can't eliminate it altogether.

 

[kyzr]

What shutdown?

The Federal government shutdown. The one where government workers are now getting furloughed.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-10-25

White House says federal firings have begun as government shutdown drags on​

 

[WorldWatcher]

The Federal government shutdown. The one where government workers are now getting furloughed.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-10-25

White House says federal firings have begun as government shutdown drags on​

The government is not shut down.

The federal government is on slow down. About 75% of federal government workers are still working.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The government is not shut down.

The federal government is on slow down. About 75% of federal government workers are still working.

WW

You forgot "... and not being paid.".

 

[kyzr]

The GOP won't pass the CR, and the government needs to open.
The Senate has had votes on a DEM CR and and vote against it.
BOTH parties have voted against a CR.
WW

Yes but Thune has the majority so he can go nuclear.
Step-1. Pass the rule change.
Step-2. Dare the democrats to not pass the CR
Step-3. If the CR fails change the rules for simply majority.

Simple as pie, Thune needs to grow a pair.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You forgot "... and not being paid.".

No I didn’t forget.

They will be paid. The pay may be delayed depending on Congress, but they will get paid.

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[g5000]

Even MTG is in favor of keeping the healthcare credits, shockingly enough.

That's because MTG knows a great number of her MAGA constituents will lose their Medicaid if her party gets its way.

Which is why I think the Democrats should let the Republicans have their way so MAGAs feel the burn.

.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes but Thune has the majority so he can go nuclear.
Step-1. Pass the rule change.
Step-2. Dare the democrats to not pass the CR
Step-3. If the CR fails change the rules for simply majority.

Simple as pie, Thune needs to grow a pair.

He can propose such a change, whether he gets 51 votes is a different question.

WW