Here is who REALLY owns the government:
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Steinlight
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The thing is, you are the third person to say that. But, also, provide no substantive arguments as to why the people who elect the representatives aren't the one's who are responsible for those they elect. In a constitutional republic, the responsibility is on the citizen voter to chose his representatives.
I have heard this talk from supposed "anti-establishment" types, like Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader etc. They all ran, and they all lost. If people didn't support the two party system, they wouldn't vote for it.
The fact is, you guys simply are out of touch with the american electorate.
Quantum Windbag
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I see that you're one of the few people in this thread that actually watched the interview in the OP.
Watching the interview, seeing him take one truth, and then spinning a massive conspiracy that would make Glenn Beck believe, is not proof you can think, it just proves you want to ignore the problem.
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Indeed...
WE have common ground.
It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another." http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
Now? What do WE do about it to cease this bickering that gets WE the people nowhere and the politicians richer in not only money, but POWER over us?
flacaltenn
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Don't think so man. Nothing special about campaign donations. Even with public financing, politicians could be influenced. Favors would have a price. These 4 leaders get re-elected because of their POWER to deliver big ticket items to their districts. You gotta be REALLY principled to vote for the newbie when that kind of influence keeps your district humming..
Essentially, Harry Reid has enough influence to BUY his constituents.. Ponder that a moment.
ShaklesOfBigGov
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Are you really that naive as to think the Obama Administration and liberal Democrats have contributed no part to this current stagnant economy? As the policies they have implemented have created anything BUT a robust booming job market for this country, beyond the usual need for federal unemployment extensions. Perhaps you need to remove your blinders to the big financial donors involved below.
However, do continue (if you must) with your propaganda lies how it's all just Bushco. Republicans, and Wall Street. Quite frankly, I find your short-sighted delusions rather humorous.
ShaklesOfBigGov
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Well it goes without saying, the ability to provide source links is undoubtably more reliable than simply uploading someone's constructed jpg image. However, both sides do cater to their own special interests. To say it's the result of "the Republican Party" that's to blame for this economy is just plain ignorant.
You gotta love bullshit like yours. Obama and his administration come into power touting their desire to promote alternative energy. At which time a few alternative energy companies ask for loans to build or expand their alt energy business. At a time when the Obama administration was trying to get jobs going in the USA.
Unfortunately these business's failed. And money was lost.
So what is your point? That there is risk in the business world? No shit.
You like it better we pissed away a couple trillion dollars in Iraq? Was that money well spent?
I heard Obama put all that Solyndra money in his pocket. Yep, that's what I heard.
Every administration has private business's they want to fund and see succeed. That's what creates jobs. Private business.
Of course, what would a republican know about creating jobs. Right? How many jobs was Bush losing when he left office?
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I've always found it interesting to see how little the Right cares about the influence of corporate wealth on legislative outcomes. One reason for this is because the Rightwing Media is funded by the very corporations who, through election funding and lobbying, own (and staff) government.
How does the right do it? How do they deceive their voters about who owns government? They do it partly by using the Ayn Rand narrative from the 30s-40s, when Stalin stole her family's pharmacy. This narrative serves the concentrated wealth that owns government because it convinces people that corporations are the victims of government rather than the owners.
Most educated people can look at the amount of money that pours into Washington and figure out who really owns government. I'll give you a hint. It's the people who have quietly shifted production to Communist China while simultaneously getting their Media Machine to convince the Rightwing voter that their party cares about Patriotism.
Silly Rabbit, the government no longer steals the family pharmacy; rather, the pharmaceutical owns the government.
They did a study during the Bush years about how much attention FOX gave to the unprecedented money the pharmaceutical industry poured into the Republican congress on the eve of the 2003 Drug Bill, which awarded Ely Lilly and Johnson/Johnson with a no-big contract that allowed these companies to fleece the tax payer with above market costs for Bush's Medicare Part D, the single greatest expansion of our entitlement system since LBJ. The study revealed that FOX never mentioned it. They just stuck to the script of putting Americans in a color-coded fear-fog as their leaders looted the taxpayer on behalf of their corporate paymasters.
Conclusion: the average Republican Voter is very strategically deceived about who really owns government. And that deception comes from the people who really own government. There will be no way to dismantle the concentrated power exerted by concentrated wealth (on both sides) until we as a nation help the duped Republican voter see who really owns his government and media sources.
How does the right do it? How do they deceive their voters about who owns government? They do it partly by using the Ayn Rand narrative from the 30s-40s, when Stalin stole her family's pharmacy. This narrative serves the concentrated wealth that owns government because it convinces people that corporations are the victims of government rather than the owners.
Most educated people can look at the amount of money that pours into Washington and figure out who really owns government. I'll give you a hint. It's the people who have quietly shifted production to Communist China while simultaneously getting their Media Machine to convince the Rightwing voter that their party cares about Patriotism.
Silly Rabbit, the government no longer steals the family pharmacy; rather, the pharmaceutical owns the government.
They did a study during the Bush years about how much attention FOX gave to the unprecedented money the pharmaceutical industry poured into the Republican congress on the eve of the 2003 Drug Bill, which awarded Ely Lilly and Johnson/Johnson with a no-big contract that allowed these companies to fleece the tax payer with above market costs for Bush's Medicare Part D, the single greatest expansion of our entitlement system since LBJ. The study revealed that FOX never mentioned it. They just stuck to the script of putting Americans in a color-coded fear-fog as their leaders looted the taxpayer on behalf of their corporate paymasters.
Conclusion: the average Republican Voter is very strategically deceived about who really owns government. And that deception comes from the people who really own government. There will be no way to dismantle the concentrated power exerted by concentrated wealth (on both sides) until we as a nation help the duped Republican voter see who really owns his government and media sources.
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gipper
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Government should not subsidize private business. It should not bail out private business. Doing so only leads to waste and corruption...and it ALWAYS has. If you knew the history of the rail roads, the first big industry to receive government subsidies, you would know this.
Much of the money spent by government on all these boondoggles, has come back to the politicians in campaign funds. It is all a big scam. It will never end because it is much to lucrative for those it enriches.
No bigger scam exists then the funding by government of the military industrial complex...but that industry sure feeds the politicians lots of cash.
ShaklesOfBigGov
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What exactly do you find "bullshit" about the post, that it includes more than just conservative links with sources such as the Washington Post or that liberal Democrats are also guilty of looking to their donors over simply creating jobs that the American people need? Those green jobs were each in dire financial straits, but because of their contributions to the "winning" party, each received a thank you in the form of taxpayer government funding.
How does funding a company overseas help with AMERICAN jobs? Truth is, it doesn't, but only proves how kickbacks favor more than helping the middle class find employment.
Why turn down the keystone pipeline and push for federal extensions? The people WANT to work, and an administration that favors ideology over a robust economy is not what the American people want (which is reflective in the poll numbers associated with Obama and Congress). The Democrats had the chance to prove they cared about providing jobs for the middle class, but again "liberal ideology" got in the way with Pelosi and Reed bogging down Congress for Obamacare. The liberals haven't proven they care about jobs, when their choices must first pass the liberal preferred choice test. A test, which I've shown above, only benefits those donors of the Democrat cause, and not simply to create more jobs and get the people working again.
When a party chooses unemployment extension over jobs (like the Keystone Pipeline), it says a lot. Let's face it, Obama and the Democrats (when they had all the power) failed the people in creating a strong economic recovery. Let's see if the Democrats are capable of doing "the people's business" (to use Obama's own words) over party pick-and-choose politics as usual.
Can any liberal prove where Democrats chose jobs, over politics and typical liberal ideology?
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It couldn't be that the people who bother to vote are completely duped by the two party's BILLION $$$ spin-machines
If you are too lazy to do your own research of the candidates at election time then whose fault is that?
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Except it was our money he put in Solyndra's pocket and they flushed it down the toilet.
Steinlight
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It couldn't be that the people who bother to vote are completely duped by the two party's BILLION $$$ spin-machines
Duped? Nothing is stopping someone from going on a campaign website, or listening to a debate. If that is the case, and people don't do the basic research, then it is their fault for being lazy, no one else's.
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