And some people don't believe in the death, a curse, Divine condemnation for setting aside the Law of God and eating the flesh of swine that do not ruminate, talking serpents that crawl on their belly, and teeming vermin.
Imagine that!
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Imagine that!
Jesus did bring division; Christianity vs Judaism, NT vs OT, New Covenant vs Old Covenant. So much division.
Now that's a lie. There are two resurrections. The first from "the death" a curse, existing without life in the tomb of false religion or the grave of worldly pursuits. The second resurrection is from the death of the body. Those who take part in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death, the death of the physical body.
Those who do not are judged according to their words and deeds. If were you I would worry about myself.
In all Jesus appeared a dozen different times over forty days to more than 515 individuals after his resurrection. He appeared to women and to men, He appeared to individuals and to groups, He appeared indoors and outdoors, He appeared to people who were skeptics and people who were believers, He appeared to people who were hardhearted and people who were tenderhearted. And He talked with people, He ate with people, He even invited Thomas - the skeptic, the doubter - to put his finger in the nail holes in His hands, put his hand in the spear wound in His side - to see and touch the evidence himself. Then what was Thomas's reaction? To say, "My Lord and my God!" He became convinced by the evidence that Jesus had returned from the dead. And what does history tell us about Thomas? He spent the rest of his life declaring Jesus did return from the dead, He is the Son of God, even to the point of being put to death for his faith in southern India.
Your division is based upon hate. Jesus' division was based upon love.
Did you know that the Jewish perception of resurrection was altered by the first Christians based upon what they witnessed from their encounters with the risen Christ?
The Christian Mutation of Second Temple Judaism
Wright’s second and more extensive argument for the historicity of the resurrection appearances stems from several Christian mutations of the Jewish doctrine of resurrection prevalent at the time of Jesus (Second-Temple Judaism). He shows through a study of the New Testament (particularly the Letters of Paul and the Gospel narratives of the resurrection appearances) that Christianity changed the dominant Jewish view of “resurrection” in five major ways:
1. The Jewish picture of resurrection was a return to the same kind of bodily life as the one experienced before death (except in a new world with the righteous). Christian views always entailed transformation into a very different kind of life – incorruptible, glorious, and spiritual while still maintaining embodiment.35 The Christian view is so different from the Jewish one that Paul has to develop a new term to speak about it – “body spiritual” (soma pneumatikon). In 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 he makes every effort to distinguish the Christian doctrine from the Jewish one: “It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body,and there is a spiritual body…..However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.”
2. In Second Temple Judaism, no one was expected to rise from the dead before the initiation of the final age by Yahweh, however Christians claimed that this occurred with Jesus.36
3. No one connected the Messiah to the resurrection or the Jewish doctrine of resurrection to the Messiah prior to Christianity: “There are no traditions about a Messiah being raised to life: most Jews of this period hoped for resurrection, many Jews of this period hoped for a Messiah, but nobody put those two hopes together until the early Christians did so.”37
4. For the Jewish people, the eschatological age was in the future; for Christians the eschatological age had already arrived (and would be completed in the future).38
5. The doctrine of resurrection is central to the earliest writings of Christianity (e.g., all 9 of the early kerygmas), central to the writings of Paul39 and all the Gospel writers,40 and is the interconnecting theme among early Christian doctrines. The doctrine of the resurrection grounds Christology, particularly the doctrine of Christ’s glorification and, in part, the doctrine of Christ’s divinity; it grounds the Christian doctrine of soteriology – “for if the dead are not raised, neither has Christ been raised” (1Cor 15:16); it shows God’s vindication of Jesus’ teaching; it grounds Christian eschatology; and is, in every respect, central to all other doctrines.
Second Temple Judaism does not place the resurrection in any such central role, and does not use it as an interconnecting theme for its doctrines. It is almost secondary in importance to other doctrines concerned with the law and prayer.
So what could explain this radical change? The preaching of Jesus? This is not tenable because Jesus does not put the resurrection at the center of His doctrine, but rather the arrival of the kingdom. Furthermore, He does not connect the resurrection to His Messiahship, and He certainly does not talk about the resurrection being transformed embodiment (or spiritual embodiment, or glorified embodiment), which is evident in the early Christian doctrine. The obvious explanation would be that the many witnesses (e.g., Peter, the Twelve, the 500 disciples, James, the early missionaries to the Gentile Church, and Paul himself) saw the risen Jesus in a transformed embodied state (manifesting at once a spiritual transformation which had the appearance of divine glory and power, and some form of embodiment which was continuous with Jesus’ embodiment in His ministry). This would easily explain all five of the above-mentioned mutations.
Oh please! Stop with your bullshit already. Love is oozing from my every pore.
You can't say that people who bring division are pieces of shit without revealing that you think that Jesus was a piece of shit.
The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.
You really need to come up with some new material to copy and paste. You have become quite boring.
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Oh look? Gold Plates did exist back when The Book of Mormon started! Hebrew writings in reformed Egyptian script.
While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a spirit. He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have” (Luke 24: 36-39)
The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. When they saw him, they worshipped, but some doubted. Then Jesus approached and said to them, ‘all power in heaven and on earth has been given to me’ (Matthew 28:16-18).
John’s Gospel communicates the same point in a slightly different way. Instead of asserting that Jesus has appeared in a divine-like way (as Matthew does) or in a spiritually transformed way (as Luke does), he says that Jesus appears through locked doors (Jn 20:19 and 20:26):
On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” (John 20:19)
He then shows them the wounds of the crucifixion on his hands and side (John 20:20).
And then there is the change in the behavior of the apostles. After the crucifixion they are despondent, dejected, depressed, hiding. They've fled. Peter denied Jesus three times. Our leader has been put to death in the most degrading possible way. And they thought, "That's it! It's over!" But then history clearly shows that after Easter these same people that were once cowardly are now boldly proclaiming that Jesus is resurrected. In Acts 2, just a few weeks after the resurrection, says "Then Peter stood up, he raised his voice and addressed the crowd and said, 'God has raised this Jesus to life and we are all witnesses to this fact.'" We saw it. We know it's true.
The doctrine of the resurrection is central to Christianity – so much so that St. Paul states:
If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead… Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied (1Cor 15:13-15,18-19).
It is truly extraordinary that Paul made the claim that if there is no resurrection from the dead, that the faith of believers is useless and that all who have died in Christ have died in their sins. Paul knows that if he is lying, he and the other disciples have jeopardized the salvation of the whole Christian community, and furthermore he emerges as a false witness (a perjurer) before God, and is answerable to Him. The consequences of lying to (or even deceiving) believers about the resurrection cannot be overstated, because the resurrection is the foundation of Jesus’ claim to be the exclusive Son of God – and the unconditional love of God with us.
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So? That was weird! Are you a vermin snake or something? You are getting punished by my logic and reasoning. By my extensive study and the Holy Ghost. So, you have to resort to baby talk...
That's not an answer to my questions. You could have just said that you don't know.
I am always amazed about how low believers will stoop to perpetuate lies.
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Again, you are getting pummeled by my knowledge, wisdom, logic and the Holy Ghost.
Wow! Are you really that delusional? I'm having a blast watching you squirm. Logic and reasoning?
Fascinating!
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in fact that is your vigilantism what in texas they refer to as being a good christian an attack dog to persecute and victimize the innocent their beliefs who do not toe the crucifiers 4th century christian bible of forgeries and fallacies.
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the warm feeling of a texas christian ...
they are so close to jesus and the happy way of life they like to share with humanity.
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