Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well. Now, Colossians 2:9 makes sense. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Verse 8 then says not to follow the philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men. This means to only follow prophets and apostles who teach through the spirit of God and not the secular non-prophets of the Unitarians like Jehovah Witnesses and their non-prophet so called scholars.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so, the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Cor 2:11-12 (KJV)
 
Yes, the Bible is the stick or book oh Judah. And, he said we are already gods. Jesus said the same thing that he told Judah (Israel) “ye are gods.”
:auiqs.jpg:I already explained this to you. You seem to be able to type. Can't you read? Have you forgotten? Already?

Go figure!

"Elohim, the Hebrew word for gods also means judges. Jesus cited this scripture because he was accused of claiming equality with God, a false accusation, because he said that he was the Son of God, the Messiah.

His answer was, it is written "you are Elohim", to whom the word of God was delivered, meaning that act of God in giving the Law to the Jewish people made them judges of the Law NOT GODS. In the same way the act of God in revealing the hidden meaning of the Law to Jesus made him the Son of God, a relational metaphor for the prophet described in Deut 18:18. "I will put my words into his mouth and he shall convey all my commands."

It was actually a brilliant legal defense. Jesus has already done what no other man but the Messiah could do.

There is only one unequaled God whose existence is absolute. There are no other gods. Except for false gods.

Standing on a pile of your own feces you look up into the sky and say "we are already gods" :auiqs.jpg:Your openly displayed narcissism is an obscenity. My God said, "Ye are tipshim." A swindler, a sluggard, and a sociopath.
 
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For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so, the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Cor 2:11-12 (KJV)
Now all we have to do is receive the messages from apostles and prophets and accept them when influenced by the Holy Ghost. It's been sad that throughout time, people have rejected apostles and prophets. They continue today with authorized apostles and prophets of The Church of Jesus Christ (of Latter-day Saints)
 
:auiqs.jpg:I already explained this to you. You seem to be able to type. Can't you read? Have you forgotten? Already?

Go figure!

"Elohim, the Hebrew word for gods also means judges. Jesus cited this scripture because he was accused of claiming equality with God, a false accusation, because he said that he was the Son of God, the Messiah.

His answer was, it is written "you are Elohim", to whom the word of God was delivered, meaning that act of God in giving the Law to the Jewish people made them judges of the Law NOT GODS. In the same way the act of God in revealing the hidden meaning of the Law to Jesus made him the Son of God, a relational metaphor for the prophet described in Deut 18:18. "I will put my words into his mouth and he shall convey all my commands."

It was actually a brilliant legal defense. Jesus has already done what no other man but the Messiah could do.

There is only one unequaled God whose existence is absolute. There are no other gods. Except for false gods.

Standing on a pile of your own feces you look up into the sky and say "we are already gods" :auiqs.jpg:Your openly displayed narcissism is an obscenity. My God said, "Ye are tipshim." A swindler, a sluggard, and a sociopath.
Explain all you want. It's pretty easy to read "ye are gods." The key is "and children of the Most High." We are gods learning to become as our Father in Heaven as any child does concerning their growth to adulthood and their father. There would be no need to use both Elohim and children of the most High. When you say Elohim that includes the Father and his children. That's why it's been interpreted the way it is. You are adding to the words with new words like judges. Well, gods judge, correct? All gods are judges but not all judges are gods. Wicked judges, those who reject the apostles and prophets give up the right to judge. Jesus knew the same thing since Jesus is Jehovah when he said, I told you, ye are gods. And, you still reject the words of the apostles who wrote this down. 1Cor 12:28, " And God hath set some in the church, FIRST ASPOSTLES, the Prophets. They come before teachers so as to have authority on doctrine. So, I'll kindly reject your teachings and keep what past and present day apostles and prophets teach.
 
Explain all you want. It's pretty easy to read "ye are gods."
What does elohim mean in Hebrew?

Elohim means God or gods and can also refer to divine beings (e.g., angels) or powerful humans (e.g., judges).

In the context of what Jesus said "It says you are Elohim, to whom the word of God (the Law) was delivered."

Which is it? Gods, angels, or judges?

You have an opportunity to be honest here. Don't **** it up. If you do, you will wake up in a dark dungeon with no way out where you'll remain deceased, without life, without God, Elohim, until you've paid the last farthing.

Remember! God can get a little testy with people who lie in his name. If you don't believe me you can look it up.
 
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What does elohim mean in Hebrew? "Elohim means God or gods and can also be used to refer to other divine beings, watchers (e.g., angels) or powerful humans (e.g., judges)".

In the context of what Jesus said, "You are Elohim, to whom the word of God (the Law) was delivered."?

Gods or judges?

You have an opportunity to be honest here. Don't **** it up. If you do, you will wake up in a dark dungeon with no way out where you will remain in the dark without God, Elohim, until you have paid the very last farthing.
Ya, and this is why there are many sects of Judaism and Christianity. Words always can have more than one meaning. That's why apostles and prophets are essential. For over 2000 years, Jews only had teacher (rabbis). They tried to raise their own statute as Sadducees and Pharisees. But, they still aren't apostles or prophets. The Catholic Church does the same things with Popes, Cardinals, Arch Bishops and so on. It's a counterfeit church to the Church of Jesus Christ that he set up. This plays over and over throughout history. We call it The Pride Cycle.

In our day, good sometimes can mean good or bad. Bad can sometimes mean bad or good. Depends on context that inflection. And, that's what you are doing. While you have uninspired rabbi scholars, I have true apostles and prophets. I have more than just the Bible as well to understand the full meaning or fulness of the Gospel (truth). The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, Present day prophets and apostles. What do you have? Tradition. Uggg.....

No, in the context of what Jesus said, he plainly states after being asked if he was God, "ye too are gods. Have I not told you before in Psalms 82:6? Even in Genesis as well." Good grief. You throw in the word Elohim to try and throw off the Holy Ghost testimony to me. The answer is "Gods" like he stated.
 
The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, Present day prophets and apostles. What do you have?
You have a lot of fancy addled garbage. Very impressive! I have my eyes wide open and I got my hash pipe.

 
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You throw in the word Elohim to try and throw off the Holy Ghost testimony to me
lol...OK. Herein lies your problem.

You have been deceived into believing that the Holy Ghost is an invisible disembodied entity that makes people squeak and gibber. Your brain has been divided, set against itself, to the point where you think your imagination, your very own thoughts, are a separate entity. You have confused mental illness with a religious experience. duh

Nice going!

The Holy Ghost, the Advocate, the Paraclete, the Spirit of truth, are titles given by Jesus about a man, like him, who would be sent by God to do three specific things. Confute the world, by showing where right and wrong and judgment lie, to convince 'them" that Jesus was right, by showing that he went to the Father after he died, and to convince the world of Divine judgment, by showing that the prince of this world stands condemned.


If you don't believe me you can look it up.
 
Sure I do. All Christians do. ONE God existing in three co-equal and co-eternal persons: Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit.

you confuse monotheism ... all are equal (even three headed monsters) --- to monarchism ... your inferiority complex to worship your daddy to protect you from the bad world of the living.
 
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so, the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Cor 2:11-12 (KJV)

the above from antiquity seems real as yet from a corrupt document ...

monotheism refers all in the heavens being equal - an idle god is not monotheism - is the worshiping of a god whether one or many.
 
You have a lot of fancy addled garbage. Very impressive! I have my eyes wide open and I got my hash pipe.


One of the books mentioned in the bible is The Book of Mormon. Isaiah chapter 29 and Ezekiel chapter 37. The Doctrine and Covenants is like the bible in that the bible was written by prophets and/or apostles of their day. It's about the current day higher priesthood authority and information for us to know today. Each period of time has it's laws, doctrines and commandments and progressed as time has gone on. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Here a little more information as you can understand it. The ancient Israelites had the writings through Moses. The Saints had writings through apostles. We have the Doctrine and covenants. You should read it sometime. Then, the Pearl of Great price that has more writings concerning Abraham and Moses. More information lost to the world over time. Perhaps, some of the missing books and letters the bible itself mentioned but we don't have. Also, some current day revelations other than through Joseph Smith. And, the 13 Articles of Faith.
 
lol...OK. Herein lies your problem.

You have been deceived into believing that the Holy Ghost is an invisible disembodied entity that makes people squeak and gibber. Your brain has been divided, set against itself, to the point where you think your imagination, your very own thoughts, are a separate entity. You have confused mental illness with a religious experience. duh

Nice going!

The Holy Ghost, the Advocate, the Paraclete, the Spirit of truth, are titles given by Jesus about a man, like him, who would be sent by God to do three specific things. Confute the world, by showing where right and wrong and judgment lie, to convince 'them" that Jesus was right, by showing that he went to the Father after he died, and to convince the world of Divine judgment, by showing that the prince of this world stands condemned.


If you don't believe me you can look it up.
I don't have a problem. You have the problem. You can't read for yourself. You have confirmation bias in which you've been taught to believe a certain way. And, you can only accept your belief which is someone else's belief. A teacher or someone in the past or present. And no, the Holy Ghost is not a man like Jesus. He is actually a spirit personage. You have to rely just on your own efforts that is complicated by man's prejudices. Not me.
 
You have confirmation bias in which you've been taught to believe a certain way.
You could not be more mistaken. No one on earth taught me to believe the things that I have explained. What I have shown has never been seen or heard of before. In fact every honest religious person out there would agree.

Whether Jewish Christian Muslim Buddhist Hindu Atheist or whatever. If you don't believe me you can look it up.

You have the entire internet at your disposal, the collective knowledge of all of humanity, AI and all that shit.

Whether you think that I am wrong or that I am right you have a lot of work to do. On yourself. Now off you go!
 
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Disrespectful and rude? Go **** yourself. I have spoken the truth. If I said anything amiss then prove me in the wrong. You can't. Aside from that you're the one who answers the charge of idolatry by calling me stupid names.

As if no one already knows that the worship of a Jewish man is idolatry, celebrating his death an abomination.


Great!

The more obstinate you become, the easier the decision will be.
Yes, disrespectful rude and hateful. The evidence are the thousands of posts of your which display these behaviors. As near as I can tell it's one of your main purposes here. But your primary purpose is to subordinate Christianity.
 
they have no evidence for any of their claimed heavenly personifications, all three desert religions and those that corroborate the madeup manifestations by so called prophets - moses abraham et al who were never spoken to by the heavens - they use as zing to persuade the unsuspecting using deceit as forgeries and fallacies as well.

there is nothing left by jesus, the crucifiers are at a loss, could it be coincidental.

all living beings are treated the same by those above granted the same goals equally - that's how it works - messaging that makes sense - not what is the pleasure of nazi's and their personal gratification ...
Thousands of written manuscripts say otherwise.
 
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You could not be more mistaken. No one on earth taught me to believe the things that I have explained. What I have shown has never been seen or heard of before. In fact every honest religious person out there would agree.

Whether Jewish Christian Muslim Buddhist Hindu Atheist or whatever. If you don't believe me you can look it up.

You have the entire internet at your disposal, the collective knowledge of all of humanity, AI and all that shit.

Whether you think that I am wrong or that I am right you have a lot of work to do. On yourself. Now off you go!
 
you confuse monotheism ... all are equal (even three headed monsters) --- to monarchism ... your inferiority complex to worship your daddy to protect you from the bad world of the living.
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Your stupid link doesn't work. So what did Jesus mean when he said "eat my flesh"? To what was Jesus referring when he said to his disciples, "There is more that I could tell you but the burden would be too great"?

Why did he say "Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant."?

Take your time...


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So what did Jesus mean when he said "eat my flesh"?
You don't believe in the resurrection even though the historical evidence is overwhelming for an event so far back in antiquity. So it isn't a surprise that you deny the real presence either. Let's look at the actual account where Jesus gave the command because you aren't the first person to be shocked by Jesus' command to eat his flesh and drink his blood. He lost a lot of disciples over that command.
  1. Jesus said he was the bread of life and whoever ate this bread would have eternal life. John 6:48-51
  2. The Jews quarreled and said how can this man give us his flesh to eat. John 6:52
  3. So rather than softening his stance he doubled down and said very clearly, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. John 6:53
  4. Afterwards his disciples said, this is hard to take. John 6:60
  5. Jesus asked them, does this shock you. John 6:61
  6. Then Jesus explained that it is the spirit that gives life. The flesh is of no avail. John 6:62-63
  7. But they didn't believe in Jesus and they couldn't accept what he was saying because it shocked them like it is shocking you. As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. John 6:64-65
He let disciples walk away rather than to soften his stance and make it symbolic. He was given an opportunity to soften it and instead he reinforced what he said by saying the flesh is of no avail.
 

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