Has Trump really gained ANY voters???

This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills


Well, nice "cover".......

So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform.....and in RAISING the debt by $1.5 TRILLION (kind of a "stimulus" package) to pay back through a tax scam the bribers who got them elected???

Inquiring minds would certainly like to know......LOL

So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform..

Repeal should be easier after the Republicans gain 5 Senate seats in 2018.

The Republicans are not going to pick up 5 seats. There are 4 seats that are in play. Nevada, Arizona, Missouri, and Indiana. Tennessee could be a 5th if Don Sundquist runs for Corker's seat. Republicans will lose the seat in Nevada and likely the Arizona seat. They will need wins in Missouri and Indiana to offset this.
Also the House is in danger of being taken over by Democrats. Healthcare will cut against Republicans.
 
This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills


Well, nice "cover".......

So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform.....and in RAISING the debt by $1.5 TRILLION (kind of a "stimulus" package) to pay back through a tax scam the bribers who got them elected???

Inquiring minds would certainly like to know......LOL

So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform..

Repeal should be easier after the Republicans gain 5 Senate seats in 2018.

The Republicans are not going to pick up 5 seats. There are 4 seats that are in play. Nevada, Arizona, Missouri, and Indiana. Tennessee could be a 5th if Don Sundquist runs for Corker's seat. Republicans will lose the seat in Nevada and likely the Arizona seat. They will need wins in Missouri and Indiana to offset this.
Also the House is in danger of being taken over by Democrats. Healthcare will cut against Republicans.

The Republicans are not going to pick up 5 seats.

Now that I've looked deeper, they'll probably pick up more than 5.
 
Trump has a hostile Congress because of his own behavior.

No. The main goal of Congress is (or should be) to work with the president and not against him. Even you as a liberal Democrat would love to see things get done in Washington, right?


He simultaneously demands they do something then when balked in any way because Congress does not work like his business, shreds individuals loudly and publicly. Instead of taking the time to learn how Congress works and what HE needs to do he turns on them.

And I'll tell you why. He works from the perspective of a citizen, not a president or a congressman. This is why his mannerisms and behavior seem alien and appalling to you. And that's why he was elected. He's also right to assume the government should work like his business, because essentially speaking it is a business. There's the CEO (Trump), the Board (Congress) and the stockholders (the people). Easy analogy. If you aren't in the business, you are against it. If you won't help it thrive you must be purged. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

He supports something one moment then turns around and changes his mind the next. He wants Congress to repeal ACA but won’t go around selling it to the people beyond his own solid base. Tax reform....what a joke. It has something like 25% (?) public support....and is a partisan vendetta attacking blue states and higher ed.

I'm not too keen on this tax reform bill either. And the reason why this bill is unsavory to a lot of people is because not one Democrat sought to reach across the aisle to help forge a workable deal. In response, Republicans don't bother to seek their input with that foreknowledge. You see, this nation is so politically divided, you can actually see that play out in congress. If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for. Just as much the Democrats fault as it is the Republicans.

Trump knows that people outside of his own base will inherently resist anything he does or says so he caters to the people who support him. I don't blame him. Why would I cater to people who are hellbent on being hostile to me or my viewpoints? Why should I waste my time? People gravitate towards others who share commonalities with them. Hence Trump and his base. Hence our current political system.

I will note, that in 2010, the ACA had its own problems with approval, as you can see here:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

However, as you can also see, it has recovered quite nicely. It was given time to work into the healthcare system and reap positive results. So, as for tax reform, don't knock it till you try it.

ACA was crafted over 18 months. It included input and advisory committees from affected industries and groups. It included ideas that Republicans themselves had espoused at one time.

Then why, might I ask, did no Republican vote for the ACA? Just because you have a certain idea in a bill that you espouse doesn't mean it will improve the quality of the overall bill. Hence why I said "If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for."

The president stumped around the country selling it...not just to his friendly base.

Hmm, his base wasn't confined to just blue states you know. His base, like Trump's, is scattered throughout all 50 states. Quite easy to say you were reaching outside your base when you know only your base is listening.

The process was done through the normal route, not Budget Reconciliation which should not be the way to pass huge bills. Don’t look at whether the ACA was good or bad, look at the process.

Well, when one party plays the role of obstructionist too long, the other party will find a way to circumvent that, and you. To think, this "process" is all a result of one party refusing to work with the other. Yeah, I've seen all too much how the "process" works.

Are the Dems being obstructionist? Yes, like the pubs before them.
Spare me the equivalence, if you don't mind.


How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement?
How can a president work with a party that is hellbent on resisting anything and everything he's set on doing? Attitude has a lot to do with whether he changes his mind or not. If he thinks you aren't all in, he may pull out. If he thinks you aren't being serious, he will pull out. You have to understand that Trump has been in the business world for longer than I've been alive, he has the ability to read tendencies. If he thinks you're bullshitting him, he will cancel the agreement.
I am going to answer just one part for now the rest later. That part is DACA. Both the president and Democratic leadership were in favor of a fix. There is no evidence the Dems were mot acting in good faith on this, none. It is something they wanted and wete willing to cross the divide and work with the president. A deal wasmade then unilaterally broken.

Again. Given that, why would the Dems attempt it again? Simple question.

Hmm...

Trump wanted the wall, the Dems said no. They balked at the rest of Trump's demands and scurried away. If they really were interested in compromise they wouldn't have scared so easily. The deal was broken because Schumer and Pelosi were unwilling to give Trump his wall. They should have known going in that giving up the wall was a non starter for the president. So to me, that means they weren't negotiating with him in good faith. From the get go those two had explicitly ruled out the wall. That seems rather calculated to me, Coyote.
No it isnt calculated. Trump had to know they werent going to give support for a wall. That was a nonstarter for them. They never promised a wall so clearly they were negotiating in good faith. Trumo made an agreement then renigged. Most likely after getting political heat for working with the Dems. Pelosi and Schumer did not alter anything. Trump did. And its not the first time Trump has supported something then pulled the rug out.

So again how can you expect them to work with Trump when his word cant be trusted?

Conservatives Fume Over DACA Deal As Trump Tries To Mollify His Base
 
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He was vintage Trump in Florida last night. The guy is genuine and hilarious. He is not a politician he is himself, good bad or indifferent. I will take him over the Liberal prototype of some pompous teleprompter parrot any day. Has he gained voters? We'll see in 3 years, won't we?
That's ridiculous. trump can't even say his ******* name without reading a teleprompter. He's an idiot.

He was only elected because democratic voters were complacent because they were 'sure' Hillary would win. As a result a lot of Dems stayed home and didn't bother to vote. That won't happen again. Now that they got stuck with the Orange Asshole and know that horrible things can happen if they don't vote, they won't make that mistake again.

Even if the economy is good in 2020, I'll bet voters will kick trump's fat, disgusting ass into the street. He's hated by all but his relatively few, highly gullible, supporters.
 
Trump doesn’t have a hostile Congress.
He could erase the deficit, raise the minimum wage to $50 and offer free health care...he will be always a scumbag, low life, bully, classless, narcissist, liar. 0 respect for the orange creep. I hope kids out there know that he is the bully and mean spirited punk they should stand up to if they ever encounter.
 
With the way the left continues to treat middle, America you can bet he's not losing much which means democrats aren't gaining.
You mean like raising their taxes?
I'm sorry when are the raising of taxes supposed to start ?
read a newspaper, inform yourself, the taxes on the poorest and middle class go up, beginning next year....
The poorest pay taxes? Doubtful.
true on federal income taxes but not other federal taxes like other payroll taxes and gas taxes and cigarette taxes which were raised and was suppose to pay for poor children's healthcare.... but their children loose their healthcare, and adults lose their Ocare subsidies, plus the middle class loses student loan deductions and school teachers lose their supply deductions and property tax deductions and state income tax deductions and a whole bunch of other things etc etc etc that makes any tax cut alleged savings go to NIL and even in the negative....

yet the corporations who go from 35% -39% go down to paying 20% tax and not a peep on reducing their deductions like they did ours, to pay for their cuts..... that means with deductions, MANY MANY MORE big corps will pay ZERO taxes when deductions and loopholes are taken.....

Then we are faced with paying 3 states/ territories hurricane relief, an entire Nation whose infrastructure is falling apart, schools are falling apart, roads, bridges, electric grids all falling apart..... where's that money gonna come from? And then the Wall would need funding too....

we are on a path to destruction....our descendant families future is bleak....
It is not that bad, no better time to be alive then now.
 
You mean like raising their taxes?
I'm sorry when are the raising of taxes supposed to start ?
read a newspaper, inform yourself, the taxes on the poorest and middle class go up, beginning next year....
The poorest pay taxes? Doubtful.
true on federal income taxes but not other federal taxes like other payroll taxes and gas taxes and cigarette taxes which were raised and was suppose to pay for poor children's healthcare.... but their children loose their healthcare, and adults lose their Ocare subsidies, plus the middle class loses student loan deductions and school teachers lose their supply deductions and property tax deductions and state income tax deductions and a whole bunch of other things etc etc etc that makes any tax cut alleged savings go to NIL and even in the negative....

yet the corporations who go from 35% -39% go down to paying 20% tax and not a peep on reducing their deductions like they did ours, to pay for their cuts..... that means with deductions, MANY MANY MORE big corps will pay ZERO taxes when deductions and loopholes are taken.....

Then we are faced with paying 3 states/ territories hurricane relief, an entire Nation whose infrastructure is falling apart, schools are falling apart, roads, bridges, electric grids all falling apart..... where's that money gonna come from? And then the Wall would need funding too....

we are on a path to destruction....our descendant families future is bleak....
It is not that bad, no better time to be alive then now.
From your mouth to God's ears! :eek:
 
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No it isnt calculated. Trump had to know they werent going to give support for a wall.

Yes it was. Because it's just as easy to say that Schumer and Pelosi knew going in they weren't going to give support for the wall.

That was a nonstarter for them.

Thus my point. They had already made their opposition to the wall clear long before they entered into any "negotiations" with the president. I think they made such sentiment clear even before the election. In fact, the case can be made that both sides knew where the other stood on immigration policy.

Trump made an agreement then reneged.
There was nothing specific agreed to at the time he "reneged". Both parties were adamant that no deal had been reached, as of this article, dated October 3rd of this year:

"Republican lawmakers who dined with the president Monday night cast doubt Tuesday on Trump’s talks with “Chuck and Nancy” — Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — about plans to protect eligible children of undocumented immigrants and make changes to the nation’s border security. Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to work on legislation that would couple plans to protect dreamers with legislation to bolster U.S.-Mexico border security, but not include the construction of more border wall. But no specific items were agreed to, and Democratic leaders say they are still waiting for Trump to submit ideas on how Congress should proceed."

Deal or no deal on DACA? Republicans say no. Democrats say not yet.


So, I assume the reason he pulled out of the negotiations is due to the inane stubbornness of the people he was negotiating with in good faith. Let me repeat, there was no deal for him to back out of.

Most likely after getting political heat for working with the Dems. Pelosi and Schumer did not alter anything. Trump did.

Nobody altered a thing. Neither Trump nor Pelosi nor Schumer. I am not attributing the failure of the negotiations to some sort of underhanded tactics, I am attributing the failure of said negotiations to (from what I am reading) neither side willing to give or take on the matter.
 
Here this should make you Trump supporters totally Crazed....SAD

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Anybody who pays relatively close attention to politics, knows for a fact, what Donald Trump has done in 10 months with a hostile Congress is at the very least, insanely impressive. Anyone who tells you different is a dishonest liberal.

Like obama having a "hostile congress and senate" and ... what has trump done? Other than try to screw over anyone without a million dollar income lol. He does avoid prosecution and impeachment that is an achievement

Pardons prejudiced cops that break the law
Supports racist pedophiles that dress like howdy doody and waves guns around on stage( who also was cited for breaking the law) (in the name of god or something) some achievements. I dont have a political agenda just common sense and an open mind.
1.last thing trump.is a city slicker he plays the ppl who can be fooled most easily. Just cuz he act like a child doesn't mean he isnt smart. He won an election with the minority of votes i hoped he woulda stepped up and became a person for all ppl
 
Trump has LOST many voters

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.
 
Trump has LOST many voters

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.

While the popular vote was updated on a daily basis. State by state polls often lagged by weeks
With Comey dropping his bombshell two weeks before the election, a changing trend was not registered in time
 
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Trump has LOST many voters

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.

While the popular vote was updated on a daily basis. State by state polls often lagged by weeks
With Comey dropping his bombshell two weeks before the election, a changing trend in was not registered in time

I have never heard that explanation of why the state by State polls were wrong. Where did you get it?
 
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Trump has LOST many voters

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.

While the popular vote was updated on a daily basis. State by state polls often lagged by weeks
With Comey dropping his bombshell two weeks before the election, a changing trend in was not registered in time

I have never heard that explanation of why the state by State polls were wrong. Where did you get it?

From RCP if you look at the dates for state polls
 
I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.

While the popular vote was updated on a daily basis. State by state polls often lagged by weeks
With Comey dropping his bombshell two weeks before the election, a changing trend in was not registered in time

I have never heard that explanation of why the state by State polls were wrong. Where did you get it?

From RCP if you look at the dates for state polls

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