Has Trump really gained ANY voters???


So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform..

Repeal should be easier after the Republicans gain 5 Senate seats in 2018.

Yes. And you could give him a few days: he hasn't been in office a year yet, and he's fulfilling his campaign promises at a faster rate than anyone can remember any prez doing --- in fact, they mostly just ignore their promises. Not Trump. He has really been doing a great job for his voters.

I think you are right: big wins in 2018. The Dems are so unattractive! They complain, they curse, they vilify, they yell, they shout people down, they bully --- these are not people anyone wants to be around, much less electing to anything. They are negative, condemning. Yuck.
 
It'd be a very safe bet to conclude that EVERY Trump supporter on here voted for Trump in 2016.

And, if these same supporters state that they "won" last time and given the same infantile Trump antics since last year, they could win again......

But, they'd be wrong.

Trump has LOST many voters (the Pew poll underscores that almost 20% of evangelicals no longer support him.)...Further, the anti-Clinton voters with Hillary removed from any further viability, may now vote for virtually anyone BUT Trump.

Sure, Trump may have gained a vote here and there from some democrat millionaire who stands to "hit the jackpot" if Trump's tax scam goes through...But, besides that odd individual, WHO could claim that Trump has "won them over"???
I'll have you know that I called every registered voter in the US last night and most of them said they would vote for Trump again, so looks like fake news again! Even Hillary Clinton has decided to vote for him.
 
Has Trump gained voters?

A better question.... have the Dems of Hillary and Barack LOST VOTERS?

BIG TIME.
 
Trump has a hostile Congress because of his own behavior.

No. The main goal of Congress is (or should be) to work with the president and not against him. Even you as a liberal Democrat would love to see things get done in Washington, right?


He simultaneously demands they do something then when balked in any way because Congress does not work like his business, shreds individuals loudly and publicly. Instead of taking the time to learn how Congress works and what HE needs to do he turns on them.

And I'll tell you why. He works from the perspective of a citizen, not a president or a congressman. This is why his mannerisms and behavior seem alien and appalling to you. And that's why he was elected. He's also right to assume the government should work like his business, because essentially speaking it is a business. There's the CEO (Trump), the Board (Congress) and the stockholders (the people). Easy analogy. If you aren't in the business, you are against it. If you won't help it thrive you must be purged. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

He supports something one moment then turns around and changes his mind the next. He wants Congress to repeal ACA but won’t go around selling it to the people beyond his own solid base. Tax reform....what a joke. It has something like 25% (?) public support....and is a partisan vendetta attacking blue states and higher ed.

I'm not too keen on this tax reform bill either. And the reason why this bill is unsavory to a lot of people is because not one Democrat sought to reach across the aisle to help forge a workable deal. In response, Republicans don't bother to seek their input with that foreknowledge. You see, this nation is so politically divided, you can actually see that play out in congress. If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for. Just as much the Democrats fault as it is the Republicans.

Trump knows that people outside of his own base will inherently resist anything he does or says so he caters to the people who support him. I don't blame him. Why would I cater to people who are hellbent on being hostile to me or my viewpoints? Why should I waste my time? People gravitate towards others who share commonalities with them. Hence Trump and his base. Hence our current political system.

I will note, that in 2010, the ACA had its own problems with approval, as you can see here:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

However, as you can also see, it has recovered quite nicely. It was given time to work into the healthcare system and reap positive results. So, as for tax reform, don't knock it till you try it.

ACA was crafted over 18 months. It included input and advisory committees from affected industries and groups. It included ideas that Republicans themselves had espoused at one time.

Then why, might I ask, did no Republican vote for the ACA? Just because you have a certain idea in a bill that you espouse doesn't mean it will improve the quality of the overall bill. Hence why I said "If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for."

The president stumped around the country selling it...not just to his friendly base.

Hmm, his base wasn't confined to just blue states you know. His base, like Trump's, is scattered throughout all 50 states. Quite easy to say you were reaching outside your base when you know only your base is listening.

The process was done through the normal route, not Budget Reconciliation which should not be the way to pass huge bills. Don’t look at whether the ACA was good or bad, look at the process.

Well, when one party plays the role of obstructionist too long, the other party will find a way to circumvent that, and you. To think, this "process" is all a result of one party refusing to work with the other. Yeah, I've seen all too much how the "process" works.

Are the Dems being obstructionist? Yes, like the pubs before them.
Spare me the equivalence, if you don't mind.


How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement?
How can a president work with a party that is hellbent on resisting anything and everything he's set on doing? Attitude has a lot to do with whether he changes his mind or not. If he thinks you aren't all in, he may pull out. If he thinks you aren't being serious, he will pull out. You have to understand that Trump has been in the business world for longer than I've been alive, he has the ability to read tendencies. If he thinks you're bullshitting him, he will cancel the agreement.
NOPE! The main goal of Congress is TO WORK FOR WE THE PEOPLE and not simply be subjects of a King spreading his will....silly one!

Heh, that'll be the last time you speak down to me, C4.

If Congress works for "We the people" then why are they only working for only one half of the electorate at any given time? This whole attitude of unwillingness is why congress has such a low approval rating. Congress working for certain parts of the constituency and not for all of them. Lobbyists and special interests rule them, not "we the people".
 
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The Steinle murder and verdict, fall of ISIS, abated illegal immigration, MSM's habitual lying and a rocketing economy is working in the Donald's favor. I can only foresee states like MI, NH, CO and NV flipped to red. None of the states that voted Trump are going blue.

Where are those promised manufacturing jobs from China?

Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin will go back to blue

Fool me once
 
It's funny when morons who don't understand accounting, or even math, count typical business expense write-offs as a subsidy.


....and when morons....like you....cannot explain WHY members of the middle class WILL NOT be allowed the same write-offs as conglomerates, correct?

What's the corporate standard deduction?
 
Trump has a hostile Congress because of his own behavior.

No. The main goal of Congress is (or should be) to work with the president and not against him. Even you as a liberal Democrat would love to see things get done in Washington, right?


He simultaneously demands they do something then when balked in any way because Congress does not work like his business, shreds individuals loudly and publicly. Instead of taking the time to learn how Congress works and what HE needs to do he turns on them.

And I'll tell you why. He works from the perspective of a citizen, not a president or a congressman. This is why his mannerisms and behavior seem alien and appalling to you. And that's why he was elected. He's also right to assume the government should work like his business, because essentially speaking it is a business. There's the CEO (Trump), the Board (Congress) and the stockholders (the people). Easy analogy. If you aren't in the business, you are against it. If you won't help it thrive you must be purged. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

He supports something one moment then turns around and changes his mind the next. He wants Congress to repeal ACA but won’t go around selling it to the people beyond his own solid base. Tax reform....what a joke. It has something like 25% (?) public support....and is a partisan vendetta attacking blue states and higher ed.

I'm not too keen on this tax reform bill either. And the reason why this bill is unsavory to a lot of people is because not one Democrat sought to reach across the aisle to help forge a workable deal. In response, Republicans don't bother to seek their input with that foreknowledge. You see, this nation is so politically divided, you can actually see that play out in congress. If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for. Just as much the Democrats fault as it is the Republicans.

Trump knows that people outside of his own base will inherently resist anything he does or says so he caters to the people who support him. I don't blame him. Why would I cater to people who are hellbent on being hostile to me or my viewpoints? Why should I waste my time? People gravitate towards others who share commonalities with them. Hence Trump and his base. Hence our current political system.

I will note, that in 2010, the ACA had its own problems with approval, as you can see here:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

However, as you can also see, it has recovered quite nicely. It was given time to work into the healthcare system and reap positive results. So, as for tax reform, don't knock it till you try it.

ACA was crafted over 18 months. It included input and advisory committees from affected industries and groups. It included ideas that Republicans themselves had espoused at one time.

Then why, might I ask, did no Republican vote for the ACA? Just because you have a certain idea in a bill that you espouse doesn't mean it will improve the quality of the overall bill. Hence why I said "If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for."

The president stumped around the country selling it...not just to his friendly base.

Hmm, his base wasn't confined to just blue states you know. His base, like Trump's, is scattered throughout all 50 states. Quite easy to say you were reaching outside your base when you know only your base is listening.

The process was done through the normal route, not Budget Reconciliation which should not be the way to pass huge bills. Don’t look at whether the ACA was good or bad, look at the process.

Well, when one party plays the role of obstructionist too long, the other party will find a way to circumvent that, and you. To think, this "process" is all a result of one party refusing to work with the other. Yeah, I've seen all too much how the "process" works.

Are the Dems being obstructionist? Yes, like the pubs before them.
Spare me the equivalence, if you don't mind.


How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement?
How can a president work with a party that is hellbent on resisting anything and everything he's set on doing? Attitude has a lot to do with whether he changes his mind or not. If he thinks you aren't all in, he may pull out. If he thinks you aren't being serious, he will pull out. You have to understand that Trump has been in the business world for longer than I've been alive, he has the ability to read tendencies. If he thinks you're bullshitting him, he will cancel the agreement.
I am going to answer just one part for now the rest later. That part is DACA. Both the president and Democratic leadership were in favor of a fix. There is no evidence the Dems were mot acting in good faith on this, none. It is something they wanted and wete willing to cross the divide and work with the president. A deal wasmade then unilaterally broken.

Again. Given that, why would the Dems attempt it again? Simple question.

Hmm...

Trump wanted the wall, the Dems said no. They balked at the rest of Trump's demands and scurried away. If they really were interested in compromise they wouldn't have scared so easily. The deal was broken because Schumer and Pelosi were unwilling to give Trump his wall. They should have known going in that giving up the wall was a non starter for the president. So to me, that means they weren't negotiating with him in good faith. From the get go those two had explicitly ruled out the wall. That seems rather calculated to me, Coyote.
 
Trump has LOST many voters

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.
 
It's funny when morons who don't understand accounting, or even math, count typical business expense write-offs as a subsidy.


....and when morons....like you....cannot explain WHY members of the middle class WILL NOT be allowed the same write-offs as conglomerates, correct?

What's the corporate standard deduction?

Corporations would be able to write off SALT which would be ended for individuals.
 
Andy Borowitz: “Broad Majority of Americans Support Moving Trump to Jerusalem.”
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ROLMAO

By your idiot rationale BO lost voters thru out his presidency since he came in with both houses of congress but left with none. Sure you wanna play that card stooge?


Absolutely, I'd "play that game".......What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

So you are saying he became less popular the longer he was in office. Well there is no correlation between his approval rating and how democrats did in mid terms, or state elections. You’re reaching.

Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy. Circa 2015

The current total for Trump so far is 15 legislative seats lost in Virginia, 3 in Oklahoma and 1 in Florida.
 
The left spend all their time and money attacking Trump, rather than talking about their own 2020 hopefuls or Dem policies and bills.
Poor Trump

What a Snowflake

Did the Republicans act any differently under Obama? They just ran against Obama and put forth no policy proposals of their own. The shoe is on the other foot now.
 
The Steinle murder and verdict, fall of ISIS, abated illegal immigration, MSM's habitual lying and a rocketing economy is working in the Donald's favor. I can only foresee states like MI, NH, CO and NV flipped to red. None of the states that voted Trump are going blue.

Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania are likely to flip back to Democrats. I don't see any Democrat states going to Trump. The economy was good when VP Al Gore ran for President. Clinton's personal issues helped defeat him.
 
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Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin will go back to blue

Well, a "wall" is being built after all.......but its that blue wall that failed a year ago.
 
Trump has a hostile Congress because of his own behavior.

No. The main goal of Congress is (or should be) to work with the president and not against him. Even you as a liberal Democrat would love to see things get done in Washington, right?


He simultaneously demands they do something then when balked in any way because Congress does not work like his business, shreds individuals loudly and publicly. Instead of taking the time to learn how Congress works and what HE needs to do he turns on them.

And I'll tell you why. He works from the perspective of a citizen, not a president or a congressman. This is why his mannerisms and behavior seem alien and appalling to you. And that's why he was elected. He's also right to assume the government should work like his business, because essentially speaking it is a business. There's the CEO (Trump), the Board (Congress) and the stockholders (the people). Easy analogy. If you aren't in the business, you are against it. If you won't help it thrive you must be purged. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

He supports something one moment then turns around and changes his mind the next. He wants Congress to repeal ACA but won’t go around selling it to the people beyond his own solid base. Tax reform....what a joke. It has something like 25% (?) public support....and is a partisan vendetta attacking blue states and higher ed.

I'm not too keen on this tax reform bill either. And the reason why this bill is unsavory to a lot of people is because not one Democrat sought to reach across the aisle to help forge a workable deal. In response, Republicans don't bother to seek their input with that foreknowledge. You see, this nation is so politically divided, you can actually see that play out in congress. If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for. Just as much the Democrats fault as it is the Republicans.

Trump knows that people outside of his own base will inherently resist anything he does or says so he caters to the people who support him. I don't blame him. Why would I cater to people who are hellbent on being hostile to me or my viewpoints? Why should I waste my time? People gravitate towards others who share commonalities with them. Hence Trump and his base. Hence our current political system.

I will note, that in 2010, the ACA had its own problems with approval, as you can see here:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

However, as you can also see, it has recovered quite nicely. It was given time to work into the healthcare system and reap positive results. So, as for tax reform, don't knock it till you try it.

ACA was crafted over 18 months. It included input and advisory committees from affected industries and groups. It included ideas that Republicans themselves had espoused at one time.

Then why, might I ask, did no Republican vote for the ACA? Just because you have a certain idea in a bill that you espouse doesn't mean it will improve the quality of the overall bill. Hence why I said "If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for."

The president stumped around the country selling it...not just to his friendly base.

Hmm, his base wasn't confined to just blue states you know. His base, like Trump's, is scattered throughout all 50 states. Quite easy to say you were reaching outside your base when you know only your base is listening.

The process was done through the normal route, not Budget Reconciliation which should not be the way to pass huge bills. Don’t look at whether the ACA was good or bad, look at the process.

Well, when one party plays the role of obstructionist too long, the other party will find a way to circumvent that, and you. To think, this "process" is all a result of one party refusing to work with the other. Yeah, I've seen all too much how the "process" works.

Are the Dems being obstructionist? Yes, like the pubs before them.
Spare me the equivalence, if you don't mind.


How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement?
How can a president work with a party that is hellbent on resisting anything and everything he's set on doing? Attitude has a lot to do with whether he changes his mind or not. If he thinks you aren't all in, he may pull out. If he thinks you aren't being serious, he will pull out. You have to understand that Trump has been in the business world for longer than I've been alive, he has the ability to read tendencies. If he thinks you're bullshitting him, he will cancel the agreement.
NOPE! The main goal of Congress is TO WORK FOR WE THE PEOPLE and not simply be subjects of a King spreading his will....silly one!

Heh, that'll be the last time you speak down to me, C4.

If Congress works for "We the people" then why are they only working for only one half of the electorate at any given time? This whole attitude of unwillingness is why congress has such a low approval rating. Congress working for certain parts of the constituency and not for all of them. Lobbyists and special interests rule them, not "we the people".
with the republican party in the majority and in charge OF the house and senate, YOU ARE 100% CORRECT! :P
 
It's funny when morons who don't understand accounting, or even math, count typical business expense write-offs as a subsidy.


....and when morons....like you....cannot explain WHY members of the middle class WILL NOT be allowed the same write-offs as conglomerates, correct?

What's the corporate standard deduction?

Corporations would be able to write off SALT which would be ended for individuals.

What's the corporate standard deduction?
 

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