Has Trump really gained ANY voters???

[sartre play]

The left is in complete disarray, one half of the right can't understand why you can't run the government as a religious org,the other half can't understand why you can't run the government like a business. as long as it takes millions & millions of dollars to buy a seat at government's table it will be owned by competing money, not your average American.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump has LOST many voters

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.

The Left keeps trumpeting the popular vote even though it is IRRELEVANT because it is all they have. Had Trump lost the election but had the national popular vote, they would have been adamant about our whining and being sore losers. They ignore the fact that once you win a a state you won that state, had Hillary gotten 11 million more votes in California, it still wouldn't have garnered her one more electoral vote. Ever the child, they claim the Electoral College as this erratic, outdated institution even though NOT ONE person switched to vote away from who they should have, but still they don't like it because of the FIFTY STATES, the Dems can increasingly only count on a FEW like California and New York. They know that if they can only do away with the E.C. and stuff millions more illegals into those two states, eventually they might not have to worry about the other 48, that they mostly only fly over contemptuously anyway. Only the Left has the cognitive dissonance is be able to constantly change the rules around anyway they have to that suits them and never notice, and even the popular vote they may not have had because we all know there were millions of illegal votes for Hillary, no one knows exactly how many but they were undoubtedly there. Is it any wonder they constantly fight fixing the system?

 

[Coyote]

No it isnt calculated. Trump had to know they werent going to give support for a wall.

Yes it was. Because it's just as easy to say that Schumer and Pelosi knew going in they weren't going to give support for the wall.

That was a nonstarter for them.

Thus my point. They had already made their opposition to the wall clear long before they entered into any "negotiations" with the president. I think they made such sentiment clear even before the election. In fact, the case can be made that both sides knew where the other stood on immigration policy.

Trump made an agreement then reneged.

There was nothing specific agreed to at the time he "reneged". Both parties were adamant that no deal had been reached, as of this article, dated October 3rd of this year:

"Republican lawmakers who dined with the president Monday night cast doubt Tuesday on Trump’s talks with “Chuck and Nancy” — Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — about plans to protect eligible children of undocumented immigrants and make changes to the nation’s border security. Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to work on legislation that would couple plans to protect dreamers with legislation to bolster U.S.-Mexico border security, but not include the construction of more border wall. But no specific items were agreed to, and Democratic leaders say they are still waiting for Trump to submit ideas on how Congress should proceed."

Deal or no deal on DACA? Republicans say no. Democrats say not yet.


So, I assume the reason he pulled out of the negotiations is due to the inane stubbornness of the people he was negotiating with in good faith. Let me repeat, there was no deal for him to back out of.

Most likely after getting political heat for working with the Dems. Pelosi and Schumer did not alter anything. Trump did.

Nobody altered a thing. Neither Trump nor Pelosi nor Schumer. I am not attributing the failure of the negotiations to some sort of underhanded tactics, I am attributing the failure of said negotiations to (from what I am reading) neither side willing to give or take on the matter.

But what did TRUMP say, not the Republicans but TRUMP? Trump was negotiating directly with Pelisi and Schumer. The Republicans were excluded.

He said the wall will come later indicating it was not part of this particular deal.

Then the Republicans got pissed, Trump caved and renigged. How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

^ Future home of the US Embassy to Israel

 

[harmonica]

It'd be a very safe bet to conclude that EVERY Trump supporter on here voted for Trump in 2016.

And, if these same supporters state that they "won" last time and given the same infantile Trump antics since last year, they could win again......

But, they'd be wrong.

Trump has LOST many voters (the Pew poll underscores that almost 20% of evangelicals no longer support him.)...Further, the anti-Clinton voters with Hillary removed from any further viability, may now vote for virtually anyone BUT Trump.

Sure, Trump may have gained a vote here and there from some democrat millionaire who stands to "hit the jackpot" if Trump's tax scam goes through...But, besides that odd individual, WHO could claim that Trump has "won them over"???

I guess you made up some of the polls about Trump not winning the last election??
GO TRUMPGO TRUMPGO TRUMPGO TRUMP

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No it isnt calculated. Trump had to know they werent going to give support for a wall.

Yes it was. Because it's just as easy to say that Schumer and Pelosi knew going in they weren't going to give support for the wall.

That was a nonstarter for them.

Thus my point. They had already made their opposition to the wall clear long before they entered into any "negotiations" with the president. I think they made such sentiment clear even before the election. In fact, the case can be made that both sides knew where the other stood on immigration policy.

Trump made an agreement then reneged.

There was nothing specific agreed to at the time he "reneged". Both parties were adamant that no deal had been reached, as of this article, dated October 3rd of this year:

"Republican lawmakers who dined with the president Monday night cast doubt Tuesday on Trump’s talks with “Chuck and Nancy” — Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — about plans to protect eligible children of undocumented immigrants and make changes to the nation’s border security. Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to work on legislation that would couple plans to protect dreamers with legislation to bolster U.S.-Mexico border security, but not include the construction of more border wall. But no specific items were agreed to, and Democratic leaders say they are still waiting for Trump to submit ideas on how Congress should proceed."

Deal or no deal on DACA? Republicans say no. Democrats say not yet.


So, I assume the reason he pulled out of the negotiations is due to the inane stubbornness of the people he was negotiating with in good faith. Let me repeat, there was no deal for him to back out of.

Most likely after getting political heat for working with the Dems. Pelosi and Schumer did not alter anything. Trump did.

Nobody altered a thing. Neither Trump nor Pelosi nor Schumer. I am not attributing the failure of the negotiations to some sort of underhanded tactics, I am attributing the failure of said negotiations to (from what I am reading) neither side willing to give or take on the matter.

But what did TRUMP say, not the Republicans but TRUMP? Trump was negotiating directly with Pelisi and Schumer. The Republicans were excluded.

He said the wall will come later indicating it was not part of this particular deal.

Then the Republicans got pissed, Trump caved and renigged. How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

You taking about the Dems breaking their word to Reagan after amnesty?

 

[TemplarKormac]

How can you negotiate when you can not trust the other side to keep their word?

And that, Coyote, is the right question. It is the inherent nature of two party politics. It appears increasingly to me that neither side was intent on keeping their end of a potential bargain.

So, how can you negotiate with a party you know you can't trust? You don't.

 

[Coyote]

No it isnt calculated. Trump had to know they werent going to give support for a wall.

Yes it was. Because it's just as easy to say that Schumer and Pelosi knew going in they weren't going to give support for the wall.

That was a nonstarter for them.

Thus my point. They had already made their opposition to the wall clear long before they entered into any "negotiations" with the president. I think they made such sentiment clear even before the election. In fact, the case can be made that both sides knew where the other stood on immigration policy.

Trump made an agreement then reneged.

There was nothing specific agreed to at the time he "reneged". Both parties were adamant that no deal had been reached, as of this article, dated October 3rd of this year:

"Republican lawmakers who dined with the president Monday night cast doubt Tuesday on Trump’s talks with “Chuck and Nancy” — Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — about plans to protect eligible children of undocumented immigrants and make changes to the nation’s border security. Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to work on legislation that would couple plans to protect dreamers with legislation to bolster U.S.-Mexico border security, but not include the construction of more border wall. But no specific items were agreed to, and Democratic leaders say they are still waiting for Trump to submit ideas on how Congress should proceed."

Deal or no deal on DACA? Republicans say no. Democrats say not yet.


So, I assume the reason he pulled out of the negotiations is due to the inane stubbornness of the people he was negotiating with in good faith. Let me repeat, there was no deal for him to back out of.

Most likely after getting political heat for working with the Dems. Pelosi and Schumer did not alter anything. Trump did.

Nobody altered a thing. Neither Trump nor Pelosi nor Schumer. I am not attributing the failure of the negotiations to some sort of underhanded tactics, I am attributing the failure of said negotiations to (from what I am reading) neither side willing to give or take on the matter.

But what did TRUMP say, not the Republicans but TRUMP? Trump was negotiating directly with Pelisi and Schumer. The Republicans were excluded.

He said the wall will come later indicating it was not part of this particular deal.

Then the Republicans got pissed, Trump caved and renigged. How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

You taking about the Dems breaking their word to Reagan after amnesty?

No. I am talking about a very specific situation. Try to keep up.

 

[Coyote]

How can you negotiate when you can not trust the other side to keep their word?

And that, Coyote, is the right question. It is the inherent nature of two party politics. It appears increasingly to me that neither side was intent on keeping their end of a potential bargain.

So, how can you negotiate with a party you know you can't trust? You don't.

In a general way I agree, that is a big issue. BUT - that is not what occurred in this instance. He made an agreement, then flipped on it.

Why did he flip? He got push back from his own party.

And he's flipped on stuff before with his own party.

Negotiations depend on trust, as you noted which brings up something else. Everyone hates "professional" politicians - but they know how to negotiate, they are adept at the give and take required to cut deals - and they know they have to keep their word in those deals or no one will negotiate with them.

Does Trump know this? Despite his claims to the contrary - I don't think he's a deal maker. He's never been in a position to be responsible for anyone but himself - no board, no shareholders. He's never had to give in order to get.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No it isnt calculated. Trump had to know they werent going to give support for a wall.

Yes it was. Because it's just as easy to say that Schumer and Pelosi knew going in they weren't going to give support for the wall.

That was a nonstarter for them.

Thus my point. They had already made their opposition to the wall clear long before they entered into any "negotiations" with the president. I think they made such sentiment clear even before the election. In fact, the case can be made that both sides knew where the other stood on immigration policy.

Trump made an agreement then reneged.

There was nothing specific agreed to at the time he "reneged". Both parties were adamant that no deal had been reached, as of this article, dated October 3rd of this year:

"Republican lawmakers who dined with the president Monday night cast doubt Tuesday on Trump’s talks with “Chuck and Nancy” — Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — about plans to protect eligible children of undocumented immigrants and make changes to the nation’s border security. Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to work on legislation that would couple plans to protect dreamers with legislation to bolster U.S.-Mexico border security, but not include the construction of more border wall. But no specific items were agreed to, and Democratic leaders say they are still waiting for Trump to submit ideas on how Congress should proceed."

Deal or no deal on DACA? Republicans say no. Democrats say not yet.


So, I assume the reason he pulled out of the negotiations is due to the inane stubbornness of the people he was negotiating with in good faith. Let me repeat, there was no deal for him to back out of.

Most likely after getting political heat for working with the Dems. Pelosi and Schumer did not alter anything. Trump did.

Nobody altered a thing. Neither Trump nor Pelosi nor Schumer. I am not attributing the failure of the negotiations to some sort of underhanded tactics, I am attributing the failure of said negotiations to (from what I am reading) neither side willing to give or take on the matter.

But what did TRUMP say, not the Republicans but TRUMP? Trump was negotiating directly with Pelisi and Schumer. The Republicans were excluded.

He said the wall will come later indicating it was not part of this particular deal.

Then the Republicans got pissed, Trump caved and renigged. How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

You taking about the Dems breaking their word to Reagan after amnesty?

No. I am talking about a very specific situation. Try to keep up.

Not talking about the Dems breaking their word to cut spending after GHW Bush raised taxes?

 

[Coyote]

Trump has LOST many voters

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.

The Left keeps trumpeting the popular vote even though it is IRRELEVANT because it is all they have. Had Trump lost the election but had the national popular vote, they would have been adamant about our whining and being sore losers. They ignore the fact that once you win a a state you won that state, had Hillary gotten 11 million more votes in California, it still wouldn't have garnered her one more electoral vote. Ever the child, they claim the Electoral College as this erratic, outdated institution even though NOT ONE person switched to vote away from who they should have, but still they don't like it because of the FIFTY STATES, the Dems can increasingly only count on a FEW like California and New York. They know that if they can only do away with the E.C. and stuff millions more illegals into those two states, eventually they might not have to worry about the other 48, that they mostly only fly over contemptuously anyway. Only the Left has the cognitive dissonance is be able to constantly change the rules around anyway they have to that suits them and never notice, and even the popular vote they may not have had because we all know there were millions of illegal votes for Hillary, no one knows exactly how many but they were undoubtedly there. Is it any wonder they constantly fight fixing the system?

The popular vote is far from irrelevent. Most of the time, a candidate wins both. The rare instances when he doesn't mean he has a weaker mandate and that is clearly evident.

I don't support getting rid of the electoral college, I think it serves an important purpose.

 

[Coyote]

No it isnt calculated. Trump had to know they werent going to give support for a wall.

Yes it was. Because it's just as easy to say that Schumer and Pelosi knew going in they weren't going to give support for the wall.

That was a nonstarter for them.

Thus my point. They had already made their opposition to the wall clear long before they entered into any "negotiations" with the president. I think they made such sentiment clear even before the election. In fact, the case can be made that both sides knew where the other stood on immigration policy.

Trump made an agreement then reneged.

There was nothing specific agreed to at the time he "reneged". Both parties were adamant that no deal had been reached, as of this article, dated October 3rd of this year:

"Republican lawmakers who dined with the president Monday night cast doubt Tuesday on Trump’s talks with “Chuck and Nancy” — Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — about plans to protect eligible children of undocumented immigrants and make changes to the nation’s border security. Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to work on legislation that would couple plans to protect dreamers with legislation to bolster U.S.-Mexico border security, but not include the construction of more border wall. But no specific items were agreed to, and Democratic leaders say they are still waiting for Trump to submit ideas on how Congress should proceed."

Deal or no deal on DACA? Republicans say no. Democrats say not yet.


So, I assume the reason he pulled out of the negotiations is due to the inane stubbornness of the people he was negotiating with in good faith. Let me repeat, there was no deal for him to back out of.

Most likely after getting political heat for working with the Dems. Pelosi and Schumer did not alter anything. Trump did.

Nobody altered a thing. Neither Trump nor Pelosi nor Schumer. I am not attributing the failure of the negotiations to some sort of underhanded tactics, I am attributing the failure of said negotiations to (from what I am reading) neither side willing to give or take on the matter.

But what did TRUMP say, not the Republicans but TRUMP? Trump was negotiating directly with Pelisi and Schumer. The Republicans were excluded.

He said the wall will come later indicating it was not part of this particular deal.

Then the Republicans got pissed, Trump caved and renigged. How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

You taking about the Dems breaking their word to Reagan after amnesty?

No. I am talking about a very specific situation. Try to keep up.

Not talking about the Dems breaking their word to cut spending after GHW Bush raised taxes?

If you can't follow the topic, don't bother the grownups trying to have a discussion.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes it was. Because it's just as easy to say that Schumer and Pelosi knew going in they weren't going to give support for the wall.

Thus my point. They had already made their opposition to the wall clear long before they entered into any "negotiations" with the president. I think they made such sentiment clear even before the election. In fact, the case can be made that both sides knew where the other stood on immigration policy.

There was nothing specific agreed to at the time he "reneged". Both parties were adamant that no deal had been reached, as of this article, dated October 3rd of this year:

"Republican lawmakers who dined with the president Monday night cast doubt Tuesday on Trump’s talks with “Chuck and Nancy” — Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — about plans to protect eligible children of undocumented immigrants and make changes to the nation’s border security. Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to work on legislation that would couple plans to protect dreamers with legislation to bolster U.S.-Mexico border security, but not include the construction of more border wall. But no specific items were agreed to, and Democratic leaders say they are still waiting for Trump to submit ideas on how Congress should proceed."

Deal or no deal on DACA? Republicans say no. Democrats say not yet.


So, I assume the reason he pulled out of the negotiations is due to the inane stubbornness of the people he was negotiating with in good faith. Let me repeat, there was no deal for him to back out of.

Nobody altered a thing. Neither Trump nor Pelosi nor Schumer. I am not attributing the failure of the negotiations to some sort of underhanded tactics, I am attributing the failure of said negotiations to (from what I am reading) neither side willing to give or take on the matter.

But what did TRUMP say, not the Republicans but TRUMP? Trump was negotiating directly with Pelisi and Schumer. The Republicans were excluded.

He said the wall will come later indicating it was not part of this particular deal.

Then the Republicans got pissed, Trump caved and renigged. How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

How can you negotiate when you csn not trust the other side to keep their word?

You taking about the Dems breaking their word to Reagan after amnesty?

No. I am talking about a very specific situation. Try to keep up.

Not talking about the Dems breaking their word to cut spending after GHW Bush raised taxes?

If you can't follow the topic, don't bother the grownups trying to have a discussion.

You're right, it's hard to keep up with all the Dem broken promises.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I bet he has! That is until three years from now when they have seen his policies working very well for us and then look at the sad, sorry alternative the Democrats offer! ITMT, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH how you people still have your heads in the polling. 2016 still hasn't taught you a thing, which is why we are going to crush you again in 2018 and 2020. America is looking for something better than more Democrats and RINOS.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!! The fact is that the polls accurately predicted Clinton winning the popular vote. Also all the polls in Virginia showed the Governor's race closer when it turned out to be a blowout. No one expected Republicans to lose 15 seats in the House of Delegates. America is looking for solutions to our problems other than pretend it doesn't exist. Voters reject the right wing extremism. The RINOs are radicals like you.

Fine, the polls accurately predicted the popular vote. But the polls were DEAD WRONG on the electoral vote. You do rember the electoral college, don’t you? It’s how we elect our president. Why do you dem snowflakes keep bringing up the meaningless statistic of popular vote? It’s like yards gained in a football game. It does not tell you who won.

While the popular vote was updated on a daily basis. State by state polls often lagged by weeks
With Comey dropping his bombshell two weeks before the election, a changing trend in was not registered in time

I have never heard that explanation of why the state by State polls were wrong. Where did you get it?

From RCP if you look at the dates for state polls

Link?

 

[Rambunctious]

The wall street never Trumpers are new Trump voters and so are millions of people that now have a savings account and a job...there are new college young people who will vote for Trump as their ability to repay their student loan materializes...
All this other crap people do not even think about in the voting booth...

 

[Reasonable]

It'd be a very safe bet to conclude that EVERY Trump supporter on here voted for Trump in 2016.

And, if these same supporters state that they "won" last time and given the same infantile Trump antics since last year, they could win again......

But, they'd be wrong.

Trump has LOST many voters (the Pew poll underscores that almost 20% of evangelicals no longer support him.)...Further, the anti-Clinton voters with Hillary removed from any further viability, may now vote for virtually anyone BUT Trump.

Sure, Trump may have gained a vote here and there from some democrat millionaire who stands to "hit the jackpot" if Trump's tax scam goes through...But, besides that odd individual, WHO could claim that Trump has "won them over"???

After watching Mr. 8 hours of TV per day fumble and stumble his way thru 11 months in office he has totally lost all independent voters..
You literally have to be insane to continue to support this guy who just inflamed the Middle East after his advisers begged him not to make the Jerusalem statement.
Insane to support him giving the green light for Big Coal to pollute our rivers and streams.
Insane watching him not understand any issue he promotes more than two talking points.
Insane.

 

[Reasonable]

The wall street never Trumpers are new Trump voters and so are millions of people that now have a savings account and a job...there are new college young people who will vote for Trump as their ability to repay their student loan materializes...
All this other crap people do not even think about in the voting booth...

Moron still pretending the new tax bill wont hurt the middle class while blowing a wet kiss to the power elite.

 

[Reasonable]

I haven't decided whether I'll supporter him in 2020.

Like most prudent people I prefer to have all information before making decisions

you have mountains of information of what he has done and hasn’t done.
Funny you’re still pretending not to notice..

 

[Rambunctious]

After watching Mr. 8 hours of TV per day fumble and stumble his way thru 11 months in office he has totally lost all independent voters..

Fumble and Stumble? you wish! 280,000 jobs created last month...ISIS is almost dead in Iraq...the truth is out about the Clinton's and they are naked as jail birds for all to see...the swamp is getting smaller on a daily basis...and now the real Obama is exposed as a deep state running scoundrel...the media will never be the same again and Trump is finally showing Americans that it is okay to be patriotic again...Fumble and Stumble my ass...like I said you wish...

 

[nat4900]

After watching Mr. 8 hours of TV per day fumble and stumble his way thru 11 months in office he has totally lost all independent voters..
You literally have to be insane to continue to support this guy who just inflamed the Middle East after his advisers begged him not to make the Jerusalem statement.
Insane to support him giving the green light for Big Coal to pollute our rivers and streams.
Insane watching him not understand any issue he promotes more than two talking points.

Trump.....like an old and fading Hollywood actress.......does not care if folks outside his shrinking base call him a ******* idiot........All he cares about is if folks keep talking about him......

Today, when speaking to NASA scientists (who must be smirking at Trump's inanities and lack of curiosity) Trump had to say that since "everything he touches turns out to be fantastic, his involvement with NASA then HAS to be also fantastic.

After all, everything is ABOUT HIM