Has Trump really gained ANY voters???

[rightwinger]

The left spend all their time and money attacking Trump, rather than talking about their own 2020 hopefuls or Dem policies and bills.

Poor Trump

What a Snowflake

 

[mountainmike]

It'd be a very safe bet to conclude that EVERY Trump supporter on here voted for Trump in 2016.

And, if these same supporters state that they "won" last time and given the same infantile Trump antics since last year, they could win again......

But, they'd be wrong.

Trump has LOST many voters (the Pew poll underscores that almost 20% of evangelicals no longer support him.)...Further, the anti-Clinton voters with Hillary removed from any further viability, may now vote for virtually anyone BUT Trump.

Sure, Trump may have gained a vote here and there from some democrat millionaire who stands to "hit the jackpot" if Trump's tax scam goes through...But, besides that odd individual, WHO could claim that Trump has "won them over"???

We already have a Trump backlash, so it is just a matter of calculating how big that backlash is going to be. Will it impact the 2018 congressional elections? Can Trump survive until 2020 and then run successfully for re-election? Will the Trump failures reflect on the Republican Party in general to the point that Republican legislators seeking re election in 2018 will distance themselves from Trump? Will Trump's failures add up to the point that in 2020 the GOP will want a different presidential candidate? Trump and Republican legislators currently have very low public support. A majority of the public that was polled agreed with "the nation is headed in the wrong direction." Please go to Real Clear Politics and stay current with poll information on their polls page summarizing all of the major polls. Right now it looks like a Trump disaster in the next two elections.

 

[BluesLegend]

The left spend all their time and money attacking Trump, rather than talking about their own 2020 hopefuls or Dem policies and bills.

Poor Trump

What a Snowflake

Do you ever post anything worthwhile? Seriously how much of your life have you wasted posting nonsense on this forum?

 

[mountainmike]

Anybody who pays relatively close attention to politics, knows for a fact, what Donald Trump has done in 10 months with a hostile Congress is at the very least, insanely impressive. Anyone who tells you different is a dishonest liberal.

RealClearPolitics - 2017 Latest Polls

President Trump Job Approval Gallup Approve 37, Disapprove 58 Disapprove +21
President Trump Job Approval CBS News Approve 36, Disapprove 57 Disapprove +21
President Trump Job Approval Pew Research Approve 34, Disapprove 62 Disapprove +28
Direction of Country Economist/YouGov Right Direction 33, Wrong Track 57 Wrong Track +24
Direction of Country Reuters/Ipsos Right Direction 28, Wrong Track 58 Wrong Track +30
Direction of Country IBD/TIPP Right Direction 41, Wrong Track 58 Wrong Track +17

 

[Care4all]

Trump has a hostile Congress because of his own behavior.

No. The main goal of Congress is (or should be) to work with the president and not against him. Even you as a liberal Democrat would love to see things get done in Washington, right?

He simultaneously demands they do something then when balked in any way because Congress does not work like his business, shreds individuals loudly and publicly. Instead of taking the time to learn how Congress works and what HE needs to do he turns on them.

And I'll tell you why. He works from the perspective of a citizen, not a president or a congressman. This is why his mannerisms and behavior seem alien and appalling to you. And that's why he was elected. He's also right to assume the government should work like his business, because essentially speaking it is a business. There's the CEO (Trump), the Board (Congress) and the stockholders (the people). Easy analogy. If you aren't in the business, you are against it. If you won't help it thrive you must be purged. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

He supports something one moment then turns around and changes his mind the next. He wants Congress to repeal ACA but won’t go around selling it to the people beyond his own solid base. Tax reform....what a joke. It has something like 25% (?) public support....and is a partisan vendetta attacking blue states and higher ed.

I'm not too keen on this tax reform bill either. And the reason why this bill is unsavory to a lot of people is because not one Democrat sought to reach across the aisle to help forge a workable deal. In response, Republicans don't bother to seek their input with that foreknowledge. You see, this nation is so politically divided, you can actually see that play out in congress. If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for. Just as much the Democrats fault as it is the Republicans.

Trump knows that people outside of his own base will inherently resist anything he does or says so he caters to the people who support him. I don't blame him. Why would I cater to people who are hellbent on being hostile to me or my viewpoints? Why should I waste my time? People gravitate towards others who share commonalities with them. Hence Trump and his base. Hence our current political system.

I will note, that in 2010, the ACA had its own problems with approval, as you can see here:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

However, as you can also see, it has recovered quite nicely. It was given time to work into the healthcare system and reap positive results. So, as for tax reform, don't knock it till you try it.

ACA was crafted over 18 months. It included input and advisory committees from affected industries and groups. It included ideas that Republicans themselves had espoused at one time.

Then why, might I ask, did no Republican vote for the ACA? Just because you have a certain idea in a bill that you espouse doesn't mean it will improve the quality of the overall bill. Hence why I said "If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for."

The president stumped around the country selling it...not just to his friendly base.

Hmm, his base wasn't confined to just blue states you know. His base, like Trump's, is scattered throughout all 50 states. Quite easy to say you were reaching outside your base when you know only your base is listening.

The process was done through the normal route, not Budget Reconciliation which should not be the way to pass huge bills. Don’t look at whether the ACA was good or bad, look at the process.

Well, when one party plays the role of obstructionist too long, the other party will find a way to circumvent that, and you. To think, this "process" is all a result of one party refusing to work with the other. Yeah, I've seen all too much how the "process" works.

Are the Dems being obstructionist? Yes, like the pubs before them.

Spare me the equivalence, if you don't mind.

How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement?

How can a president work with a party that is hellbent on resisting anything and everything he's set on doing? Attitude has a lot to do with whether he changes his mind or not. If he thinks you aren't all in, he may pull out. If he thinks you aren't being serious, he will pull out. You have to understand that Trump has been in the business world for longer than I've been alive, he has the ability to read tendencies. If he thinks you're bullshitting him, he will cancel the agreement.

NOPE! The main goal of Congress is TO WORK FOR WE THE PEOPLE and not simply be subjects of a King spreading his will....silly one!

 

[mountainmike]

Trump doesn’t have a hostile Congress.

And the lies just keep on rolling.

The REPUBLICANS have the majority in both houses of congress. That is not a lie. What seems to be happening is that Trump is getting strong support from his base voters and alienating mainstream Republicans, many of whom will be running for re election and will have to distance themselves from Trump in order to avoid the Trump backlash and win re election. If you doubt that go to the Real Clear Politics website "polls page." They keep a running update on all of the major polls. Trump is behind on his approval rating, and then Republicans in congress are way behind in approval rating, then there is the poll showing the public opinion that we are headed in the wrong direction.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

ROLMAO

By your idiot rationale BO lost voters thru out his presidency since he came in with both houses of congress but left with none. Sure you wanna play that card stooge?

Absolutely, I'd "play that game".......What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

What Obama was NEVER able to shake off for a considerable segment of his opposition, is the fact that he was a bit too dark to be sitting in the oval office.

The Republicans' 63-seat pickup in the House to take control of that chamber, as well as their gain of six Senate seats, signified a dramatic rollback of recent Democratic gains. In the election, Republicans won their greatest number of House seats since 1946.[14] This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills. Republicans also took control of 29 of the 50 state governorships and gained 690 seats in state legislatures, to hold their greatest number since the 1928 elections.[15]

United States House of Representatives elections, 2010 - Wikipedia

He wasn't too dark for his opposition, he was too incompetent for the nation.

The wonders of the Gerrymander
Democrats have pulled more votes in the House (senate also)

Republicans have mastered ruling from a minority

The wonders of the Gerrymander

52 Senate seats, up from 40.
33 governorships, up from 21.

Damn gerrymander.

 

[Coyote]

Trump has a hostile Congress because of his own behavior.

No. The main goal of Congress is (or should be) to work with the president and not against him. Even you as a liberal Democrat would love to see things get done in Washington, right?

He simultaneously demands they do something then when balked in any way because Congress does not work like his business, shreds individuals loudly and publicly. Instead of taking the time to learn how Congress works and what HE needs to do he turns on them.

And I'll tell you why. He works from the perspective of a citizen, not a president or a congressman. This is why his mannerisms and behavior seem alien and appalling to you. And that's why he was elected. He's also right to assume the government should work like his business, because essentially speaking it is a business. There's the CEO (Trump), the Board (Congress) and the stockholders (the people). Easy analogy. If you aren't in the business, you are against it. If you won't help it thrive you must be purged. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

He supports something one moment then turns around and changes his mind the next. He wants Congress to repeal ACA but won’t go around selling it to the people beyond his own solid base. Tax reform....what a joke. It has something like 25% (?) public support....and is a partisan vendetta attacking blue states and higher ed.

I'm not too keen on this tax reform bill either. And the reason why this bill is unsavory to a lot of people is because not one Democrat sought to reach across the aisle to help forge a workable deal. In response, Republicans don't bother to seek their input with that foreknowledge. You see, this nation is so politically divided, you can actually see that play out in congress. If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for. Just as much the Democrats fault as it is the Republicans.

Trump knows that people outside of his own base will inherently resist anything he does or says so he caters to the people who support him. I don't blame him. Why would I cater to people who are hellbent on being hostile to me or my viewpoints? Why should I waste my time? People gravitate towards others who share commonalities with them. Hence Trump and his base. Hence our current political system.

I will note, that in 2010, the ACA had its own problems with approval, as you can see here:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

However, as you can also see, it has recovered quite nicely. It was given time to work into the healthcare system and reap positive results. So, as for tax reform, don't knock it till you try it.

ACA was crafted over 18 months. It included input and advisory committees from affected industries and groups. It included ideas that Republicans themselves had espoused at one time.

Then why, might I ask, did no Republican vote for the ACA? Just because you have a certain idea in a bill that you espouse doesn't mean it will improve the quality of the overall bill. Hence why I said "If you won't work together, you naturally will not come up with a bill that people care for."

The president stumped around the country selling it...not just to his friendly base.

Hmm, his base wasn't confined to just blue states you know. His base, like Trump's, is scattered throughout all 50 states. Quite easy to say you were reaching outside your base when you know only your base is listening.

The process was done through the normal route, not Budget Reconciliation which should not be the way to pass huge bills. Don’t look at whether the ACA was good or bad, look at the process.

Well, when one party plays the role of obstructionist too long, the other party will find a way to circumvent that, and you. To think, this "process" is all a result of one party refusing to work with the other. Yeah, I've seen all too much how the "process" works.

Are the Dems being obstructionist? Yes, like the pubs before them.

Spare me the equivalence, if you don't mind.

How can Dems work with a president that can’t stick to an agreement?

How can a president work with a party that is hellbent on resisting anything and everything he's set on doing? Attitude has a lot to do with whether he changes his mind or not. If he thinks you aren't all in, he may pull out. If he thinks you aren't being serious, he will pull out. You have to understand that Trump has been in the business world for longer than I've been alive, he has the ability to read tendencies. If he thinks you're bullshitting him, he will cancel the agreement.

I am going to answer just one part for now the rest later. That part is DACA. Both the president and Democratic leadership were in favor of a fix. There is no evidence the Dems were mot acting in good faith on this, none. It is something they wanted and wete willing to cross the divide and work with the president. A deal wasmade then unilaterally broken.

Again. Given that, why would the Dems attempt it again? Simple question.

 

[Meathead]

Trump doesn’t have a hostile Congress.

Trump has a very hostile establishment, including much of congress and even Republicans. Regardless, he goes from strength to strength leaving political corpses strewn along the streets of DC and the media.

His last, and ultimate victory will be the deep state.

 

[nat4900]

The only loopholes that got closed were those on the middle class for personal deductions and mortgage interest

The two cute screwing of the middle class that I simply "love," are:

A. A teacher can NO longer deduct her or his purchase of pencils and paper for students.............Whereas, a company can FULLY deduct for buying pencils and papers for employees.....

B, A worker whose company relocates to another state can NO longer deduct moving expenses................Whereas a company that relocates out of the country, can FULLY deduct its moving expenses.....

Nice, isn't it???? (yep "tax cuts for the middle-class"??? )

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It'd be a very safe bet to conclude that EVERY Trump supporter on here voted for Trump in 2016.

And, if these same supporters state that they "won" last time and given the same infantile Trump antics since last year, they could win again......

But, they'd be wrong.

Trump has LOST many voters (the Pew poll underscores that almost 20% of evangelicals no longer support him.)...Further, the anti-Clinton voters with Hillary removed from any further viability, may now vote for virtually anyone BUT Trump.

Sure, Trump may have gained a vote here and there from some democrat millionaire who stands to "hit the jackpot" if Trump's tax scam goes through...But, besides that odd individual, WHO could claim that Trump has "won them over"???

**Desperately seeking thoughts.....anything to make him feel good as dems continue on in their death throes**

 

[nat4900]

This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills

Well, nice "cover".......

So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform.....and in RAISING the debt by $1.5 TRILLION (kind of a "stimulus" package) to pay back through a tax scam the bribers who got them elected???

Inquiring minds would certainly like to know......LOL

 

[rightwinger]

The left spend all their time and money attacking Trump, rather than talking about their own 2020 hopefuls or Dem policies and bills.

Poor Trump

What a Snowflake

Do you ever post anything worthwhile? Seriously how much of your life have you wasted posting nonsense on this forum?

I make a good living

 

[nat4900]

I agree, we need to plug those stupid "green energy" loopholes.

Credible estimates of annual United States fossil fuel subsidies range from$10 billion to $52 billion ….Taxpayers currently subsidize the big five oil companies—Exxon-Mobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and Conoco-Phillips......

 

[nat4900]

**Desperately seeking thoughts.....anything to make him feel good as dems continue on in their death throes**

A Year After Trump, Women and Minorities Give Groundbreaking Wins to Democrats
A Year After Trump, Women and Minorities Give Groundbreaking Wins to Democrats

Democrats win big in elections widely viewed as referendums on Trump

Democrats Get Their First Big Wins Since Trump's Era Began : NPR

 

[Meathead]

The Steinle murder and verdict, fall of ISIS, abated illegal immigration, MSM's habitual lying and a rocketing economy is working in the Donald's favor. I can only foresee states like MI, NH, CO and NV flipped to red. None of the states that voted Trump are going blue.

 

[Circe]

Yes, Trump famously gained voters by the thousands ---- people who had given up voting in disgust came out to vote for Trump.

I had always believed in voting as a civic duty, but between Obama and Palin? (McCain-Palin: just no). Then between Obama and That Mormon?? No, no, no polygamy that I'll vote in. I went to the polls for the local candidates and judges and such, but I had given up. If they want me to play democracy, let them put forward good candidates. They did, and I came out and voted again.

There were a LOT of us, apparently. And if he or Pence runs next time, I'll vote again. So sure, Trump added a lot of voters.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This has been attributed to the continued economic recession, as well as President Obama's controversial stimulus and health care reform bills

Well, nice "cover".......

So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform.....and in RAISING the debt by $1.5 TRILLION (kind of a "stimulus" package) to pay back through a tax scam the bribers who got them elected???

Inquiring minds would certainly like to know......LOL

So, what will happen when republicans......with ALL that majority, has NOT been able to repeal that controversial health care reform..

Repeal should be easier after the Republicans gain 5 Senate seats in 2018.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I agree, we need to plug those stupid "green energy" loopholes.

Credible estimates of annual United States fossil fuel subsidies range from$10 billion to $52 billion ….Taxpayers currently subsidize the big five oil companies—Exxon-Mobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and Conoco-Phillips......

It's funny when morons who don't understand accounting, or even math, count typical business expense write-offs as a subsidy.

 

[nat4900]

It's funny when morons who don't understand accounting, or even math, count typical business expense write-offs as a subsidy.

....and when morons....like you....cannot explain WHY members of the middle class WILL NOT be allowed the same write-offs as conglomerates, correct?