Has the United States surrendered to anthropogenic climate change?

[westwall]

It's amusing that the science deniers cannot concoct an alternative explanation to that of experts in climatology who have compiled and analyzed a vast amount of corroborative empirical data regarding the rising temperatures that correspond to industrialization and the millions of tonnes of industrial gases being spewed into the atmosphere.

Their inability to cite such studies would account for their anger.

The alternative is that everything we are experiencing is completely normal. The storms today don't hold a candle to the storms of the past.

Look up the Great Flood of 1862 then get back to us when you actually have a little information under your belt.

Right now you are no better than the religious nutjobs screeching about the end of the world.

 

[EMH]

It's amusing that the science deniers cannot concoct an alternative explanation to that of experts in climatology who have compiled and analyzed a vast amount of corroborative empirical data regarding the rising temperatures that correspond to industrialization and the millions of tonnes of industrial gases being spewed into the atmosphere.

Their inability to cite such studies would account for their anger.

At least we can answer basic climate questions, you cannot.

 

[Captain Caveman]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

From post #1 article is this crap:



It was a leveraged scam promoted by a series of leftist government supported report based on unverifiable climate modeling scenarios and a pile of misleading claims that doesn't add up to anything credible.

I am glad the propaganda are being dumped and a return to scientist's research independence where REPRODUCIBLE science is once again the measuring stick to a greater understanding.

Here are some examples of credible reality to the state of the Weather/Climate as it really happening because it is based on OFFICIAL data:

Death rate is waaaay down!

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Storminess has not gone up, and there’s been no increase in hurricane strength or frequency … no “emergency” there.

First, the strength.


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And here is the global hurricane frequency, both for all hurricanes and for the strongest hurricanes.

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And here are the numbers of Pacific typhoons (hurricanes) from the Japanese Meteorological Agency.

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And here are a century and a half of records of the number of landfalling hurricanes in Florida.

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Finally, here are the declining numbers of both strong and average cyclones (Southern Hemisphere hurricanes) in Australian waters, from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM).

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Strong tornadoes in the US are steadily decreasing over the last 72 years.

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And the same is true of weaker tornadoes … decreasing.

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Regarding heat, very hot days in the US (over 100°F, or 38°C) were much higher in the 1930s than at any other time in the last 125 years.

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But if you want to worry about heat waves, please get back to me when the heat waves are worse than those of the 1930s, well before the large increase in CO2 …

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There is a lot more like this in the LINK above, here is how the stupid AGW failed so bigly:

NO predicted Hotspot exist

NO Positive Feedback Loop exist

They were predicted and a cornerstone of the AGW scam, yet they don't exist even after 35 years of waiting for it to show up..., yet climate Cultists continue with their delusions as they are mentally ill and nearly 100% of them are democrats that is how fucked up they are.

Looks as cyclical as sunspots

 

[schmidlap]

Is that right?

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

In that case >>>>>>SCIENTIFICALLY<<<<<<<<DESTROYING HIS POSITION - BY REFUTING OR REBUTTING THE ALLEGATIONS HE MADE - SHOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is a waste of time when true believers insist on denying science, and substitute unshakable faith in such non-science.

the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here.​

Do scientists agree on climate change? - NASA Science

Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the

science.nasa.gov

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14.8% of Americans deny that climate change is real , a percentage consistent with previous national studies. Using geolocation information, we determined that denialism is highest in the Central part of the U.S. and in the South, with more than 20% of the populations of OK, MS, AL, and ND consisting of deniers.​

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The social anatomy of climate change denial in the United States - Scientific Reports ​

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The vast majority of scientists also agree that the earth is spherical, and recognize that arguing against diehard flat-earthers is futile.

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[Contumacious]

the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change

AGAIN

WHAT training are "climate scientists" required to have ?
WHO vouches for their credentials ?
HOW do I know that the "vast majority" are actually climate scientists WITHOUT an agenda?

 

[schmidlap]

AGAIN

WHAT training are "climate scientists" required to have ?
WHO vouches for their credentials ?
HOW do I know that the "vast majority" are actually climate scientists WITHOUT an agenda?

How to debate a flat-Earther ​

If you need to reject the scientific consensus, international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world, just list the climatological authorities that deny anthropogenic climate change.

Trump, with no evidence, has told you that climate change is a Chinese hoax. If you believe what he tells you, you cannot accept the scientific consensus.

 

[Contumacious]

If you need to reject the scientific consensus, international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world, just list the climatological authorities that deny anthropogenic climate change.

Trump, with no evidence, has told you that climate change is a Chinese hoax. If you believe what he tells you, you cannot accept the scientific consensus.

What you are forgetting is that the folks who oppose the climate change scare are earhtlings ? Are they suicidal ? The same folks who insist that global warming is real were telling us a few years ago that GOBAL COOLING was the problem.

Capisce?

 

[schmidlap]

What you are forgetting is that the folks who oppose the climate change scare are earhtlings ? Are they suicidal ? The same folks who insist that global warming is real were telling us a few years ago that GOBAL COOLING was the problem.

Capisce?

Can you document you fake claim?

How the "Global Cooling" Story Came to Be

Nine paragraphs written for Newsweek in 1975 continue to trump 40 years of climate science. It is a record that has its author amazed

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Contumacious]

Can you document you fake claim?

How the "Global Cooling" Story Came to Be

Nine paragraphs written for Newsweek in 1975 continue to trump 40 years of climate science. It is a record that has its author amazed

www.scientificamerican.com

Global Cooling is Real – Major Temperature Low 2046?​

By Martin Armstrong

Armstrong Economics

Global Cooling Is Real - LewRockwell

While NASA has now confirmed that the outer atmosphere is getting cooler, it seems desperately insane for people to keep denying the possibility the Global Cooling is taking place rather than Global Warming when the former brings famine and the latter brings economic expansion as civilizations...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[westwall]

It is a waste of time when true believers insist on denying science, and substitute unshakable faith in such non-science.

the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here.​

Do scientists agree on climate change? - NASA Science

Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the

science.nasa.gov

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14.8% of Americans deny that climate change is real , a percentage consistent with previous national studies. Using geolocation information, we determined that denialism is highest in the Central part of the U.S. and in the South, with more than 20% of the populations of OK, MS, AL, and ND consisting of deniers.​

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The social anatomy of climate change denial in the United States - Scientific Reports ​

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The vast majority of scientists also agree that the earth is spherical, and recognize that arguing against diehard flat-earthers is futile.

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The vast majority of climate scientists have companies that directly benefit from their "warnings". Think insider trading on a grand scale.

Now look up "Appeal to Authority " and tell the class why you think that particular logic fail doesn't apply here.

 

[schmidlap]

The 15% of Americans who are still science deniers (20% in OK, MS, AL, and ND) would be harmless, if it were not for Trump indulging fantasies such as global warming being a Chinese plot to destroy U.S. industry.

Such monumental ignorance is harmful, but ignorance serves his agenda.

Trump seeks to end climate research ​

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points - FactCheck.org

Former President Donald Trump, who has famously called climate change a “hoax” for many years, hasn’t used the word lately with respect to climate change. But he still clings to some similar arguments, and other claims he makes about climate change haven't changed much over the years.

www.factcheck.org

 

[westwall]

The 15% of Americans who are still science deniers (20% in OK, MS, AL, and ND) would be harmless, if it were not for Trump indulging fantasies such as global warming being a Chinese plot to destroy U.S. industry.

Such monumental ignorance is harmful. Ignorance serves his agenda.

Trump seeks to end climate research ​

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points - FactCheck.org

Former President Donald Trump, who has famously called climate change a “hoax” for many years, hasn’t used the word lately with respect to climate change. But he still clings to some similar arguments, and other claims he makes about climate change haven't changed much over the years.

www.factcheck.org

Feel free to post some actual science.

Please note, computer derived fiction doesn't count.

 

[Old Rocks]

The consensus among the world’s climatologists, scientists in general, national and local governments, and savvy folks everywhere is that humans cannot endlessness poop into the heavens with impunity. The consequences are predictable, and are already exacting a hefty toll.

Nation's top climate science assessments removed from federal websites​

Trump… seeks to shut down the laboratory atop a peak in Hawaii where scientists have gathered the most conclusive evidence of human-caused climate change since the 1950s.​

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The Mauna Loa laboratory in Hawaii has measured atmospheric carbon dioxide, which — along with other planet-warming pollution — has led directly to climate change, driving sea level rise, supercharging weather and destroying food systems.​

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Trump’s budget proposal would also defund many other climate labs, including instrument sites comprising the US government’s greenhouse gas monitoring network, which stretches from northern Alaska to the South Pole.​

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But it’s the Mauna Loa laboratory that is the most prominent target of Trump’s climate ire, as measurements that began there in 1958 have steadily shown CO2’s upward march as human activities have emitted more and more of the planet-warming gas each year.​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-admin-tries-to-kill-the-most-indisputable-evidence-of-human-caused-climate-change-by-shuttering-observatory/ar-AA1HLdjJ?ocid=BingNewsVerp​

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Trump, monumentally ignorant concerning climatology, has been spewing his baseless crap for many years, and has presented no scientific evidence to support his ludicrous dogma:

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"The concept of global warming was created by and for the
Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

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"This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop.
Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice.”

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“It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, OK?”


The U.S. Under Trump: Alone in Its Climate Denial
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Climate change will cost about $38 trillion a year by 2049.​

You will get countless nonsense memes answering this post. Because the denialists have zero evidence for their denial of AGW. And yesterday, on the Anniversary of our Independence for England, we again paid the price of our foolishness with the lives of our citizens and children. This incompetent administration cut Weather Service funding, so we are not getting the forecasts now that we need for sudden extreme events like this. And we know that they are going to increase in occurrence from now on into the foreseeable future. Some in MAGA are even denying that the horror in Texas actually occurred.

 

[Old Rocks]

Feel free to post some actual science.

Please note, computer derived fiction doesn't count.

LOL Westie, old boi, you wouldn't know actual science if it bit you. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. And we are right now seeing the climate predictions of Dr. Hansen, Dr. Mann, and many others come true in real time and we are paying for that with the lives of our citizens. But you give not a damn about that, you idiotic political views are far more important to you than real science.

 

[Old Rocks]

The collective world, with the USA spending the lion's share, has spent trillions of dollars, imposed massive mandates and restrictions, and required most of the developed world to utilize green energy.

And with all those rules, regulations, mandates, and trillions of dollars spent, not a single one of their scientific models has accurately predicted an outcome yet and not a single particle of CO2 has been reduced in the atmosphere. As each of their predictions come and go and are wrong, they just keep moving the goal posts on down the line so they can continue to use climate change as a club to control the people.

No one says adding seven billion people to the world population since the industrial evolution has had no impact. But those seven billion people are here and that won't change but the population will continue to increase. The smart money is on utilizing science and technology to help people adapt to inevitable climate change instead of the futility of trying to manipulate it.

The climate has been changing for the entire paleontological and written history of our planet.

We should be investing in better flood controls where there is increased flooding and finding ways to get to water to places where there is less of it than there used to be. We need to be researching crops that thrive in changing climates.

We should not be throwing trillions more dollars down the rathole of trying to manipulate climate change when it is increasingly obvious that is a fool's errand.

It's almost laughable how the administration is accused of overspending and failing to cut spending, but every single place they are trying to cut spending is met with extreme resistance from those who are accusing them of overspending.

Wrong on all counts. China has and is building more renewables than the rest of the nations combined. While China is still #1 in GHGs, we are #2 currently, and in total GHGs emitted since the industrial revolution, we are #1. We cannot adapt to it getting hot enough to make areas uninhabitable. That eliminates both agriculture and people. You want to cut overspending? Cut the subsidies for fossil fuels. Update our grid so we lose far less in transmission. Encourage residential generation and storage. It is the use of fossil fuels that is manipulating the climate. And while this is happening with have an insane and incompetent admin that is cutting funding to the Weather Service and NOAA so horrors like just happened yesterday in Texas are not caught in time for a timely warning.

 

[Old Rocks]

The alternative is that everything we are experiencing is completely normal. The storms today don't hold a candle to the storms of the past.

Look up the Great Flood of 1862 then get back to us when you actually have a little information under your belt.

Right now you are no better than the religious nutjobs screeching about the end of the world.

My, but you are such a lying fool. And you claim a science background? LOL

 

[Sunsettommy]

My, but you are such a lying fool. And you claim a science background? LOL

You have been shown repeatedly that there is no upswing in terrible storms, you ignore it because you are wedded to climate delusions as all leftists does because they are into pseudoscience.

 

[Old Rocks]

The vast majority of climate scientists have companies that directly benefit from their "warnings". Think insider trading on a grand scale.

Now look up "Appeal to Authority " and tell the class why you think that particular logic fail doesn't apply here.

No, it is paid liars like you that are the whores for fossil fuel companies. Appeal to Authority? Silly ass, when you use that to denigrate all the scientists in the world, we know that you are just a shill for the fossil fuel companies. Again, all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world have policy statements that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

 

[Old Rocks]

You have been shown repeatedly that there is no upswing in terrible storms, you ignore it because you are wedded to climate delusions as all leftists does because they are into pseudoscience.

Liar;

Number of reported natural disaster events

The number of global reported natural disaster events in any given year. Note that this largely reflects increases in data reporting, and should not be used to assess the total number of events.

ourworldindata.org

Extreme Weather Events Have Increased Significantly in the Last 20 Years

e360.yale.edu

Understanding the Rising Trend of Storm Intensities Worldwide – MSMAM.COM

msmam.com