Has the United States surrendered to anthropogenic climate change?

[EMH]

You are upset by the consensus of climatologists, bur are unable to cherry pick or concoct any of their data that they have already taken into account.

You can't find one. This topic has been up for a year.

Thread 'Any honest media person with the courage to actually ask climate questions?'

Feb 12, 2024

Apparently not.

Not on Faux

Not on RAV or OANN


What questions will the media never ask?


1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?



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Nobody on TV will even ask these questions, because your fraudulent treasonous fudgebaking "heroes" do not want to try, because to answer those questions is to admit CO2 is not the cause of Earth climate change...


THAT's WHY, you science invalid parrot of treasonous lies....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, it is paid liars like you that are the whores for fossil fuel companies. Appeal to Authority? Silly ass, when you use that to denigrate all the scientists in the world, we know that you are just a shill for the fossil fuel companies. Again, all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world have policy statements that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

So what do they recommend be done to shut down China's world leading CO2 emissions?

 

[EMH]

"Follow the science" came to have the same political flavor as "anti-semitism"

and there is an extremely strong correlation between the two.... ie who is doing all the lying....

 

[Sunsettommy]

Again, I suggest a third grade remedial reading class for you.

Stratopheric cooling as the troposphere warms​

The phenomenon of stratospheric cooling while the troposphere warms is a significant aspect of the global climate system. This cooling has been attributed to human-induced increases in greenhouse gases, which retain heat more effectively in the troposphere. The study by UCLA-led researchers indicates that from 1986 to 2022, the human-produced greenhouse gases led to a mean cooling of about 1.8 to 2.2 degrees Celsius in the middle and upper stratosphere globally. This cooling is 12 to 15 times greater than what could have been caused by natural variations. The findings are a direct rebuttal to claims that natural factors could explain the observed pattern of warming in the troposphere and cooling in the stratosphere.
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Stratospheric cooling: The concerning flip side of global warming

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LOL Steve Milloy, a paid whore for fossil fuel and tobacco companies. A lawyer, no education in science. Just another lying flap yapper.


Steven J. Milloy is an American lawyer, lobbyist, author, and former Fox News commentator. Milloy is the founder and editor of the blog JunkScience.com where he publishes articles that oppose and attack environmental and public health science.<a href="Steven Milloy - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> His close financial and organizational ties to tobacco and oil companies have been the subject of much criticism, as Milloy consistently disputes the scientific consensus on climate change and the health risks of second-hand smoke.<a href="Steven Milloy - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a><a href="Steven Milloy - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

Milloy has been employed at a number of think tanks. In the 1990s he worked at The Advancement of Sound Science Center (TASSC) which established by Philip Morris Companies Inc. to counter legislation against second-hand smoke, eventually becoming its director in 1997. He was an adjunct scholar at the libertarian Cato Institute from the 1990s until the end of 2005 and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute from 2005 to 2009.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M Since 2020 Milloy has served on the board of the Heartland Institute. As of 2023 Milloy is a Senior Policy Fellow with the Energy & Environment Legal Institute.


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The UCLA study reference does NOT provide a chart that would show how dishonest they are as the cooling is mostly an artifact of large eruptions and subsequent cooling drops that quickly stabilizes to a flat trend as these charts from Climate4you shows based on the official satellite data:

LINK

NO statistically significant cooling trend since 1997.

No Lower Tropospheric Hot Spot either which was another one of Ben Santers modeling fantasies that has failed.

It is better to just go with the OFFICIAL data over propaganda claims you favor.

 

[schmidlap]

You can't find one. This topic has been up for a year.

Thread 'Any honest media person with the courage to actually ask climate questions?'

Feb 12, 2024

Apparently not.

Not on Faux

Not on RAV or OANN


What questions will the media never ask?


1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?



The Co2 Fraud is bilking America out of $200 billion per...

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Nobody on TV will even ask these questions, because your fraudulent treasonous fudgebaking "heroes" do not want to try, because to answer those questions is to admit CO2 is not the cause of Earth climate change...


THAT's WHY, you science invalid parrot of treasonous lies....

Indeed. The climatogocal consensus has only been further confirmed by the data that has continued to accrue.

Despite the dogmatic rejection by crackpots on the fringe, the earth is spherical and has been getting warmer since millions of tonnes of industrial gases have been spewing into the atmosphere.

... federally funded climate science, including observation and modeling work, is being systematically dismantled. This is not a thought experiment. It is all too real. We are now observing what happens when decades of work to understand the nature and causes of climate changes are rejected, and are replaced by ideology, conspiracy theories and disinformation. Stopping climate work will lead to a data vacuum that could last years or even decades. This experiment in willful ignorance can only end poorly.​

Climate Change’s Fingerprints Came Early, a Thought Experiment Reveals

Climate change left its signature on the atmosphere early in the industrial revolution, reveals a thought experiment investigation

www.scientificamerican.com

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[mamooth]

The UCLA study reference

Tommy's argument:

1. He gives us graphs showing that the stratosphere (15km+) is cooling. None of the denier kook theories can explain why that happens, but AGW theory explains it perfectly.

2. He then declares the stratosphere isn't really cooling because the tropophere is warming.

3. He then declares that the tropospheric warming he just documented -- that is, the global warming -- means there's no global warming.

Even for Tommy, that's an inept fraud, and that's saying something.

The denier losers have been parroting the same idiot crap here for over 15 years. It hasn't started smelling any better as it aged. It's just as fraudulent and stupid as it was the first time they tried pushing it.

And yes, I understand that debunkings don't matter to deniers. Cultists gonna cult. The cult tells them to peddle this nonsense, so that's what they do.

And yeah, they'll gradually be descending into antivaxxism and antiglobalism and flatearthism fantasies. That's how addicts are. They need bigger and bigger fixes to keep feeling the same thrills.

 

[schmidlap]

It is peculiar that the paranoia of ideologues who can't handle aspects of climatological and medical science does not extend to other disciplines.

Why are consensuses in geology, botany, etc, not also characterized by the deceit and/or ignorance the wackos attribute to scientists who contradict their dogma?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Tommy's argument:

1. He gives us graphs showing that the stratosphere (15km+) is cooling. None of the denier kook theories can explain why that happens, but AGW theory explains it perfectly.

2. He then declares the stratosphere isn't really cooling because the tropophere is warming.

3. He then declares that the tropospheric warming he just documented -- that is, the global warming -- means there's no global warming.

Even for Tommy, that's an inept fraud, and that's saying something.

The denier losers have been parroting the same idiot crap here for over 15 years. It hasn't started smelling any better as it aged. It's just as fraudulent and stupid as it was the first time they tried pushing it.

And yes, I understand that debunkings don't matter to deniers. Cultists gonna cult. The cult tells them to peddle this nonsense, so that's what they do.

And yeah, they'll gradually be descending into antivaxxism and antiglobalism and flatearthism fantasies. That's how addicts are. They need bigger and bigger fixes to keep feeling the same thrills.

Bla bla bla bla bla, while you ignore the charts based 100% on the OFFICIAL Satellite data that supports my position while you didn't begin to counter anything thus another dead on arrival post you make.

Here is a flat out lie he makes:

2. He then declares the stratosphere isn't really cooling because the tropophere is warming.

Nope I didn't say any such thing this is what I specifically stated:

The UCLA study reference does NOT provide a chart that would show how dishonest they are as the cooling is mostly an artifact of large eruptions and subsequent cooling drops that quickly stabilizes to a flat trend as these charts from Climate4you shows based on the official satellite data:

And,

NO statistically significant cooling trend since 1997.

 

[westwall]

STFU Mossad.

You are here for one reason, to shout down the actual truth and prevent CO2 FRAUD from being terminated...

Go blow it our your ass you lunatic.

 

[westwall]

You can pretend that the world's climatologists do not know as much about climatology as you do, or that they have all been engaged in a vast corroborative conspiracy for many years, despite your inability to expose it.

Both are quite silly, of course.

Inability? Climate gate 1.0 and 2.0, the continuing exposure of climatologists altering, falsifying, and outright creating readings to support their narratives.

What sort of ability?

Go place your head back in that enormous hole you've dug, ostrich boy.

 

[schmidlap]

You can't find one. This topic has been up for a year.

Thread 'Any honest media person with the courage to actually ask climate questions?'

Feb 12, 2024

Apparently not.

Not on Faux

Not on RAV or OANN


What questions will the media never ask?


1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?



The Co2 Fraud is bilking America out of $200 billion per...

• EMH
• Replies: 92
• Forum: Media

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• 

Nobody on TV will even ask these questions, because your fraudulent treasonous fudgebaking "heroes" do not want to try, because to answer those questions is to admit CO2 is not the cause of Earth climate change...


THAT's WHY, you science invalid parrot of treasonous lies....

Climatologists, experts in climatology, constantly ask pertinent questions regarding global warming, based upon the monumental body of empirical data they accrue.

If an alternative, scientific explanation for the earth's warming that corresponds to industrialization were viable, climatologists would be pursuing it because, unlike dogmatism, science is self-critical.

Ideologues, with no qualifications in the discipline, are unable to accept the science,

 

[westwall]

Climatologists, experts in climatology, constantly ask pertinent questions regarding global warming, based upon the monumental body of empirical data they accrue.

If an alternative, scientific explanation for the earth's warming that corresponds to industrialization were viable, climatologists would be pursuing it because, unlike dogmatism, science is self-critical.

Ideologues, with no qualifications in the discipline, are unable to accept the science,

No, they don't. They avoid pertinent questions because those questions expose their fraud.

Place that head of yours back in that hole, ostrich boy.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Inability? Climate gate 1.0 and 2.0, the continuing exposure of climatologists altering, falsifying, and outright creating readings to support their narratives.

What sort of ability?

Go place your head back in that enormous hole you've dug, ostrich boy.

They ignore many things because they are brainwashed and being leftists thus hopeless.

Here is a link to a running thread showing the many predictions that have failed over the years made by warmest/alarmists over the last few decades, the latest is Al $$$ Gore failure at the current top of the list.

Failed Prediction Timeline​

LINK

 

[westwall]

They ignore many things because they are brainwashed and being leftists thus hopeless.

Here is a link to a running thread showing the many predictions that have failed over the years made by warmest/alarmists over the last few decades, the latest is Al $$$ Gore failure at the current top of the list.

Failed Prediction Timeline​

LINK

Schitflap is nothing more then a paid Chinese stooge.

 

[schmidlap]

No, they don't. They avoid pertinent questions because those questions expose their fraud.

Place that head of yours back in that hole, ostrich boy.

If you are fanatical in your dogmatic rejection of established science and insistence that unlimited industrial waste can be endlessly spewed into the atmosphere with no impact on the atmosphere, so be it.

Like most rational folks, I respect the science.

 

[westwall]

If you are fanatical in your dogmatic rejection of established science and insistence that unlimited industrial waste can be endlessly spewed into the atmosphere with no impact on the atmosphere, so be it.

Like most rational folks, I respect the science.

You respect nothing but computer derived fiction. Your constant appeals to authority are amusing. Fortunately the people have woken up to that particular logic fail so no longer pay you and your fellow propagandists the slightest bit of attention.

Now, your bleating is confined to your fellow cultists who choose scripture over the scientific method.

Back to your hole, ostrich boy.

 

[schmidlap]

You respect nothing but computer derived fiction. Your constant appeals to authority are amusing. Fortunately the people have woken up to that particular logic fail so no longer pay you and your fellow propagandists the slightest bit of attention.

Now, your bleating is confined to your fellow cultists who choose scripture over the scientific method.

Back to your hole, ostrich boy.

Please provide your list of all international scientific organizations and authorities that have rejected climatological science, and embraced your denialism.

Have you sold any qualified climatologists on your dogma?

Why do you rage against empirical data, and embrace whatever Trump pulls from his big, flabby butt? What are his scientific qualifications?

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points​

 

[Foxfyre]

And how does the installation of renewable energy, the least costly form of generation, cost trillions of dollars, when we have to install more generation no matter what? Tell me, just how the hell you adjust to what just happened in Texas? To what happened in North Carolina?

Natural disasters have been happening since there has been a Planet Earth. You don't 'adjust' to them. You deal with them best as you can. The most practical thing we can do to adjust to them is not encouraging more and more people to live where they most often can be expected to occur.

I do not accept that renewable energy that we have now is the least costly form of power that we have and it certainly is not the most practical for most things.

I have no problem at all with wind and solar or any other forms of energy production, but if they are practical and least costly, the private sector should be able to make them feasible and profitable to use. Using taxpayer money to offset costs does NOT make ANYTHING less costly.

But climate change is definitely inevitable no matter what we do. And we can do much to help people adapt constructively to it whether that be by water conservation or production of potable water from seawater, developing or adjusting crops to changing climate, developing ways to help prevent collateral and material damage from those natural disasters, etc.

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[westwall]

Please provide your list of all international scientific organizations and authorities that have rejected climatological science, and embraced your denialism.

Have you sold any qualified climatologists on your dogma?

Why do you rage against empirical data, and embrace whatever Trump pulls from his big, flabby butt? What are his scientific qualifications?

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points​

Please post ONE study that doesn't begin with the phrase, " we use a simple model".

Go.

 

[schmidlap]

ON ONE HAND

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By a large majority, climate scientists agree that average global temperature today is warmer than in pre-industrial times and that human activity is the most significant factor. ​

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The United States' foremost scientific agencies and organizations have recognized global warming as a human-caused problem that should be addressed. The U.S. Global Change Research Program has published a series of scientific reports documenting the causes and impacts of global climate change. NOAA, NASA, the National Science Foundation, the National Research Council, and the Environmental Protection Agency have all published reports and fact sheets stating that Earth is warming mainly due to the increase in human-produced heat-trapping gases.​

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On their climate home page, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicines says, "Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions," and that "Climate change is increasingly affecting people’s lives." ​

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The American Meteorological Society (AMS) issued this position statement: "Scientific evidence indicates that the leading cause of climate change in the most recent half century is the anthropogenic increase in the concentration of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, tropospheric ozone, and nitrous oxide." (Adopted April 15, 2019)​

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The American Geophysical Union (AGU) issued this position statement: "Human activities are changing Earth's climate, causing increasingly disruptive societal and ecological impacts. Such impacts are creating hardships and suffering now, and they will continue to do so into the future—in ways expected as well as potentially unforeseen. To limit these impacts, the world's nations have agreed to hold the increase in global average temperature to well below 2°C (3.6°F) above pre-industrial levels. To achieve this goal, global society must promptly reduce its greenhouse gas emissions." (Reaffirmed in November 2019)​

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The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) What We Know site states: "Based on the evidence, about 97 percent of climate scientists agree that human-caused climate change is happening."​

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Isn't there a lot of disagreement among climate scientists about global warming?

No. By a large majority, climate scientists agree that average global temperature today is warmer than in pre-industrial times, and that human activity is the primary contributing factor.

www.climate.gov

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ON THE OTHER HAND

Trump dismisses climate science, saying​

‘It will start getting cooler!"​

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