Has the United States surrendered to anthropogenic climate change?

What is that understanding? ... do you have a citation where any climate "specialist" has claimed to publish "unequivocal evidence" of anything in the scientific literature? ...

We have Columbia Gorge hydro here ... cheapest-in-the-nation electricity ... I personally advocate planting shade trees, instead of A/C ... vacationing locally instead of abroad ... and in general try to conserve energy ... flatlanding cityslickers don't know what a "clothes line" is or what "clothes pins" are used for ... so that's not considered in solar energy calculations ...

You ***** about China because you don't want to be rid of your damned A/C ...
No credible evidence is ever "unequivocal" since the possibility of revision based upon additional data must always be an option.
That is not to say that a preponderance of evidence cannot be compelling, nor aberrant views non-existent.

Your pretending to know my situation and energy demands is amusing.

Personal circumstances aside, surrendering the growing clean energy technology market to China has serious geo-political as well as economic ramifications.
 
That is not to say that a preponderance of evidence cannot be compelling ...

Present your evidence then ... you haven't yet because it is obviously lacking ... I'm sorry the Chinese are making you burn coal to cool your home ... instead of, the environmentally friendly planting of shade trees ...
 
Present your evidence then ... you haven't yet because it is obviously lacking ... I'm sorry the Chinese are making you burn coal to cool your home ... instead of, the environmentally friendly planting of shade trees ...
Growing trees is good.

If you cannot deal with all the corroborative data that causes virtually every nation on earth to accept anthropogenic climate change, you can't.

If you are okay with the US surrendering the growing global market for clean energy technology to China, then you're okay with it.
 




A total dodge of the entire issue.

CO2 FRAUD is completely refuted. All that is left is the prosecution.

EMH's theory is 100% completely not refuted. You cannot refute it. Your pathetically sick heroes cannot refute.


EMH is right, CO2 FRAUD is wrong.

End of discussion until evidence to the contrary is provided...
 
A total dodge of the entire issue.

CO2 FRAUD is completely refuted. All that is left is the prosecution.

EMH's theory is 100% completely not refuted. You cannot refute it. Your pathetically sick heroes cannot refute.


EMH is right, CO2 FRAUD is wrong.

End of discussion until evidence to the contrary is provided...
Despite the corroborative certitude of the most knowledgeable who have compiled and analyzed the empirical data, denialist zealots fantasize that anthropogenic climate change is some sort of vast conspiracy perpetrated by stupid, evil people who have fooled the global community, but not them, of course.

They cling tenaciously to the irrational notion that billions tons of greenhouse gases can be spewed into the atmosphere year after year with no impact on the atmosphere.

Obviously, such fanatics are impervious to reason.



With the surrender of the United States, China is the yooj winner:


 
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Despite the corroborative certitude of the most knowledgeable who have compiled and analyzed the empirical data, denialist zealots fantasize that anthropogenic climate change is some sort of vast conspiracy perpetrated by stupid, evil people who have fooled the global community, but not them, of course.

They cling tenaciously to the irrational notion that billions tons of greenhouse gases can be spewed into the atmosphere year after year with no impact on the atmosphere.

Obviously, such fanatics are impervious to reason.



With the surrender of the United States, China is the yooj winner:


Appeals to authority, such as this, are logic failures.

I suggest you research why.
 
the most knowledgeable


is me, not the conflicted taxpayer funded fudgebaking liars


to quote the late great former mayor of DC Marion Barry

DEAL WITH IT

Marion Barry Will Survive His Latest Scandal--He’s Sincere, and That’s ...
 



and after dumping all that additional CO2 into the atmosphere, all 120 ppm

the highly correlated satellite and balloon data, and surface air pressure data, all show

ABSOLUTELY NO WARMING IN THE ACTUAL ATMOSPHERE
 
The consensus among the world’s climatologists, scientists in general, national and local governments, and savvy folks everywhere is that humans cannot endlessness poop into the heavens with impunity. The consequences are predictable, and are already exacting a hefty toll.



Trump… seeks to shut down the laboratory atop a peak in Hawaii where scientists have gathered the most conclusive evidence of human-caused climate change since the 1950s.
The Mauna Loa laboratory in Hawaii has measured atmospheric carbon dioxide, which — along with other planet-warming pollution — has led directly to climate change, driving sea level rise, supercharging weather and destroying food systems.
Trump’s budget proposal would also defund many other climate labs, including instrument sites comprising the US government’s greenhouse gas monitoring network, which stretches from northern Alaska to the South Pole.
But it’s the Mauna Loa laboratory that is the most prominent target of Trump’s climate ire, as measurements that began there in 1958 have steadily shown CO2’s upward march as human activities have emitted more and more of the planet-warming gas each year.

Trump, monumentally ignorant concerning climatology, has been spewing his baseless crap for many years, and has presented no scientific evidence to support his ludicrous dogma:

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Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

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Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice.”

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“It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, OK?”


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Climate change will cost about $38 trillion a year by 2049.
Trump has stopped all subsidies for green energy and it going to build nuclear and use fossil fuels. This will create low cost reliable energy source that can meet the demand of AI and wide spread us of server banks in business. Renewable energy cant meet that demand and any nation that tries will destroy their economy and drive businesses away. Germany has already started that trend. Volkswagen is moving manufacturing to America. So is Volvo. Spain just has nation wide blackout. Germany has the highest energy cots in Europe and they are only at 40% renewables.
There is zero evidence that humans cause the climate to warm. Just manipulated studies. CO2 is needed to keep the earth green and doesnt warm the climate.
 
Trump has stopped all subsidies for green energy and it going to build nuclear and use fossil fuels. This will create low cost reliable energy source that can meet the demand of AI and wide spread us of server banks in business. Renewable energy cant meet that demand and any nation that tries will destroy their economy and drive businesses away. Germany has already started that trend. Volkswagen is moving manufacturing to America. So is Volvo. Spain just has nation wide blackout. Germany has the highest energy cots in Europe and they are only at 40% renewables.
There is zero evidence that humans cause the climate to warm. Just manipulated studies. CO2 is needed to keep the earth green and doesnt warm the climate.
Ideologically-driven, paranoid denial without documentation is not science.

Calling anyone who respects the climatological data "stupid" and "evil" is embarrassingly childish.

Trump's surrender empowers China.

China Took Over the World’s Clean Energy Boom


Progress in Germany has been quite impressive: Germany - Energy
 
The residue of ideologically-driven science deniers have not indulged themselves in futile attempts at a data-based refutation of climatological science.

Trump’s bogus claim about a ‘climate religion’ is a pathetic political dodge

There is zero evidence that CO2 or human activity warms the climate. The studies use manipulated models to get the results they want that are invalidated by their predictions that dont come true.

Modeling the Framework for False Positive Findings​

Several methodologists have pointed out [9–11] that the high rate of nonreplication (lack of confirmation) of research discoveries is a consequence of the convenient, yet ill-founded strategy of claiming conclusive research findings solely on the basis of a single study assessed by formal statistical significance, typically for a p-value less than 0.05. Research is not most appropriately represented and summarized by p-values, but, unfortunately, there is a widespread notion that medical research articles should be interpreted based only on p-values. Research findings are defined here as any relationship reaching formal statistical significance, e.g., effective interventions, informative predictors, risk factors, or associations. “Negative” research is also very useful. “Negative” is actually a misnomer, and the misinterpretation is widespread. However, here we will target relationships that investigators claim exist, rather than null findings.

It can be proven that most claimed research findings are false

Invalid science consists of scientific claims based on experiments that cannot be reproduced or that are contradicted by experiments that can be reproduced. Recent analyses indicate that the proportion of retracted claims in the scientific literature is steadily increasing.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> The number of retractions has grown tenfold over the past decade, but they still make up approximately 0.2% of the 1.4m papers published annually in scholarly journals.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

The U.S. Office of Research Integrity (ORI) investigates scientific misconduct.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>


Incidence​

Science magazine ranked first for the number of articles retracted at 70, just edging out PNAS, which retracted 69. 32 of Science's retractions were due to fraud or suspected fraud, and 37 to error. A subsequent "retraction index" indicated that journals with relatively high impact factors, such as Science, Nature and Cell, had a higher rate of retractions. Under 0.1% of papers in PubMed had were retracted of more than 25 million papers going back to the 1940s.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a><a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

The fraction of retracted papers due to scientific misconduct was estimated at two-thirds, according to studies of 2047 papers published since 1977. Misconducted included fraud and plagiarism. Another one-fifth were retracted because of mistakes, and the rest were pulled for unknown or other reasons.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

A separate study analyzed 432 claims of genetic links for various health risks that vary between men and women. Only one of these claims proved to be consistently reproducible. Another meta review, found that of the 49 most-cited clinical research studies published between 1990 and 2003, more than 40 percent of them were later shown to be either totally wrong or significantly incorrect.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a><a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>
 
There is zero evidence that CO2 or human activity warms the climate. The studies use manipulated models to get the results they want that are invalidated by their predictions that dont come true.

Modeling the Framework for False Positive Findings​

Several methodologists have pointed out [9–11] that the high rate of nonreplication (lack of confirmation) of research discoveries is a consequence of the convenient, yet ill-founded strategy of claiming conclusive research findings solely on the basis of a single study assessed by formal statistical significance, typically for a p-value less than 0.05. Research is not most appropriately represented and summarized by p-values, but, unfortunately, there is a widespread notion that medical research articles should be interpreted based only on p-values. Research findings are defined here as any relationship reaching formal statistical significance, e.g., effective interventions, informative predictors, risk factors, or associations. “Negative” research is also very useful. “Negative” is actually a misnomer, and the misinterpretation is widespread. However, here we will target relationships that investigators claim exist, rather than null findings.



Invalid science consists of scientific claims based on experiments that cannot be reproduced or that are contradicted by experiments that can be reproduced. Recent analyses indicate that the proportion of retracted claims in the scientific literature is steadily increasing.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> The number of retractions has grown tenfold over the past decade, but they still make up approximately 0.2% of the 1.4m papers published annually in scholarly journals.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

The U.S. Office of Research Integrity (ORI) investigates scientific misconduct.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>


Incidence​

Science magazine ranked first for the number of articles retracted at 70, just edging out PNAS, which retracted 69. 32 of Science's retractions were due to fraud or suspected fraud, and 37 to error. A subsequent "retraction index" indicated that journals with relatively high impact factors, such as Science, Nature and Cell, had a higher rate of retractions. Under 0.1% of papers in PubMed had were retracted of more than 25 million papers going back to the 1940s.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a><a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

The fraction of retracted papers due to scientific misconduct was estimated at two-thirds, according to studies of 2047 papers published since 1977. Misconducted included fraud and plagiarism. Another one-fifth were retracted because of mistakes, and the rest were pulled for unknown or other reasons.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

A separate study analyzed 432 claims of genetic links for various health risks that vary between men and women. Only one of these claims proved to be consistently reproducible. Another meta review, found that of the 49 most-cited clinical research studies published between 1990 and 2003, more than 40 percent of them were later shown to be either totally wrong or significantly incorrect.<a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a><a href="Invalid science - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>
Those who concoct their aberrant, ideologically-driven science denial now attempt to label the empirically-based science as "religion" to avoid the onus of a credible, data-based challenge to the scientific consensus.

China should be celebrating the blowhard's refusal to respect or even honestly confront science.

The global market for clean energy technology does not kowtow to ideological dogma.
 
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Growing trees is good.

If you cannot deal with all the corroborative data that causes virtually every nation on earth to accept anthropogenic climate change, you can't.

If you are okay with the US surrendering the growing global market for clean energy technology to China, then you're okay with it.

What corroborating data? ... you've post absolutely NONE ... because you have no data either way ...

The Chinese aren't the problem ... it's wasteful people like you who run air conditioners all day long ... as long as there's pigs in the world, the Chinese will profit ... always always always ...

Are you a racist? ... because China uses slave labor ... sounds like you're advocating a return here and putting all these [asterisks] back under the collar ... "slavery was good for the Black Man", right? ...

No worker's comp, no OSHA, government subsidies ... are you a spokesmodel for Putin or something ...
 
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Those who concoct their aberrant, ideologically-driven science denial now attempt to label the empirically-based science as "religion" to avoid the onus of a credible, data-based challenge to the scientific consensus.
Climate change research is a fake. Belief is religion. Not one single prediction came true.


Simply put its nor science its
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Trump's surrender to China, as he lashes out at unidentified "stupid" and "evil" advanced nations that respect science, is in the interest of neither the global community nor the United States.

Last year, electric vehicles (EVs)made up approximately 47.9% of the total passenger car sales in China, a huge increase from 2020, when plug-in EVs accounted for just 6.3% of total sales. However, China’s booming renewable energy sector is not only being driven by a large domestic market but also by robust green energy exports. Indeed, China’s green tech exports hit a record $20 billion in August alone, creating a ‘‘new energy system.’’

Interestingly, China’s clean energy sector is doing brisk business with less developed economies even as the U.S. retreats from the clean energy race. In fact, 51% of China’s EV sales growth in the current year has come from nations outside the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). Exports to ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) surged 75% during the first eight months of 2025, while EV exports to Africa nearly tripled, led by Morocco and Nigeria with the West African nation recording a six-fold surge in purchases. Meanwhile, exports to the Middle East jumped 72% while sales to Latin America grew 11%. But it's not just electric vehicles. China exported 46 GW of solar PV equipment in August, more than Australia’s total installed capacity.
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It is clear that Trump has been saying stupid things, utterly devoid of rational explanation, for years.

His established pattern persists, dogmatic denial of empirical data that contradicts his ideological dogma, the sort of shit that a cult will mindlessly swallow without hesitation.
 
Trump's surrender to China, as he lashes out at unidentified "stupid" and "evil" advanced nations that respect science, is in the interest of neither the global community nor the United States.

Last year, electric vehicles (EVs)made up approximately 47.9% of the total passenger car sales in China, a huge increase from 2020, when plug-in EVs accounted for just 6.3% of total sales. However, China’s booming renewable energy sector is not only being driven by a large domestic market but also by robust green energy exports. Indeed, China’s green tech exports hit a record $20 billion in August alone, creating a ‘‘new energy system.’’

Interestingly, China’s clean energy sector is doing brisk business with less developed economies even as the U.S. retreats from the clean energy race. In fact, 51% of China’s EV sales growth in the current year has come from nations outside the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). Exports to ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) surged 75% during the first eight months of 2025, while EV exports to Africa nearly tripled, led by Morocco and Nigeria with the West African nation recording a six-fold surge in purchases. Meanwhile, exports to the Middle East jumped 72% while sales to Latin America grew 11%. But it's not just electric vehicles. China exported 46 GW of solar PV equipment in August, more than Australia’s total installed capacity.
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The EV car mandate in CA has ben canceled. Without subsidies no one wants them. How dumb is it to tax the middles to help the rich buy an EV car
 
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