Has the United States surrendered to anthropogenic climate change?

[schmidlap]

Whilst ceding the growing market for clean energy technology to China, Trump's irrational science denial has not frozen progress globally. Far from it.

For the first time, renewable energy has overtaken coal as the primary source of electricity around the world, a new report says, indicating a shift in the global reliance on environmentally harmful fossil fuels.

Renewable electricity use rose to 34.3% of global consumption in the first half of 2025, while coal's use fell to 33.1%, the energy think tank Ember found. Renewable energies include sources like solar, wind and hydro, as opposed to fossil fuels like coal and natural gas.

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/09/nx-s1-5564746/renewable-energy-coal-electricity-first

 

[PeanutGallery]

So, where are the climatological studies that refute the scientific consensus?

Where is the evidence that climatologists and all those who accept the science are "stupid" and "evil"?

Where's the real-world evidence that climate change is legit? I hear about computer models and such, but where in the world can those climatological studies point to and say that this is actual proof that backs up our models? Not to mention, if these studies are true, then why have the well-to-do liberals, who believe in claimant change, not moved from their beachfront properties? I mean, Obama talked about climate change and rising sea levels for 8 years ... has a beachfront house in Hawaii & a house at Martha's Vineyard.

 

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Whilst ceding the growing market for clean energy technology to China, Trump's irrational science denial has not frozen progress gloval. Far from it.

For the first time, renewable energy has overtaken coal as the primary source of electricity around the world, a new report says, indicating a shift in the global reliance on environmentally harmful fossil fuels.

Renewable electricity use rose to 34.3% of global consumption in the first half of 2025, while coal's use fell to 33.1%, the energy think tank Ember found. Renewable energies include sources like solar, wind and hydro, as opposed to fossil fuels like coal and natural gas.

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/09/nx-s1-5564746/renewable-energy-coal-electricity-first

Where's the real-world evidence that climate change is legit? I hear about computer models and such, but where in the world can those climatological studies point to and say that this is actual proof that backs up our models? Not to mention, if these studies are true, then why have the well-to-do liberals, who believe in claimant change, not moved from their beachfront properties? I mean, Obama talked about climate change and rising sea levels for 8 years ... has a beachfront house in Hawaii & a house at Martha's Vineyard.

If your ideological dogma compels you to reject the scientific consensus, you can.

Whether a politician sells his house is not a determinant.

In some areas, the inundation is well underway:

What countries and cities will disappear due to rising sea levels?

And will they become submerged within our lifetime?

www.livescience.com

 

[PeanutGallery]

Whilst ceding the growing market for clean energy technology to China, Trump's irrational science denial has not frozen progress gloval. Far from it.

For the first time, renewable energy has overtaken coal as the primary source of electricity around the world, a new report says, indicating a shift in the global reliance on environmentally harmful fossil fuels.

Renewable electricity use rose to 34.3% of global consumption in the first half of 2025, while coal's use fell to 33.1%, the energy think tank Ember found. Renewable energies include sources like solar, wind and hydro, as opposed to fossil fuels like coal and natural gas.

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/09/nx-s1-5564746/renewable-energy-coal-electricity-first

If your ideological dogma compels you to reject the scientific consensus, you can.

Whether a politician sells his house is not a determinant.

In some areas, the inundation is well underway:

What countries and cities will disappear due to rising sea levels?

And will they become submerged within our lifetime?

www.livescience.com

All of that and didn't answer a single question I raised. Just cut and paste from articles because you don't or can't articulate an argument using your own words.

 

[ReinyDays]

If your ideological dogma compels you to reject the scientific consensus, you can.

Consensus is a political condition ... science doesn't use it as proof ... we're don't vote on theory ... both Stefan-Boltzmann Law and the logarithmic relationship the IPCC uses refutes any and all claims of climate catastrophe ...

Where does the scientific consensus say climate has changed? ... latitude and longitude if you please ... if you can't demonstrate your theory, then it's not scientific .. it's philosophy ...

 

[schmidlap]

All of that and didn't answer a single question I raised. Just cut and paste from articles because you don't or can't articulate an argument using your own words.

I have no reason to "argue." Whenever ideological politicians deny the scientific consensus in any scientific discipline, I respect the science.

I don't pretend to have superior scientific expertise or data.

If you prefer ideologues who have no expertise in science, but share your view, you can.

 

[Orangecat]

Has the United States surrendered to anthropogenic climate change?​

How does one surrender to something that doesn’t exist?

 

[ReinyDays]

I have no reason to "argue." Whenever ideological politicians deny the scientific consensus in any scientific discipline, I respect the science.

I don't pretend to have superior scientific expertise or data.

If you prefer ideologues who have no expertise in science, but share your view, you can.

So you're just another Trumapzee here flinging your poop around? ...

 

[schmidlap]

If a politician were to tell me that botanists were "stupid" and/or 'evil," I would not then reject any matter of botanical consensus.

 

[schmidlap]

So you're just another Trumapzee here flinging your poop around? ...

Your projecting serves no purpose.

 

[DGS49]

Rational humans know that nothing done in the United States will have any measurable effect on the climate a hundred years out. If the entire human race committed immediately to "Net Zero" today, the mean temperature of the earth MIGHT BE one degree C cooler in a hundred years than if we do, in effect, nothing at all.

But the entire human race is not on board. In fact, most of the human race is still building coal-fired power plants (including China and India), and will continue to do so for many decades to come, as coal is the cheapest and most plentiful source of BTU's on the planet. And against that reality, the efforts in the U.S. and Western Europe to curtail our use of carbon fuels is like using human-powered buckets to fight a massive flood.

It is no coincidence that the world's Leftists - essentially none of whom have any interest in real science - are the ones beating the zero carbon drums, because it can be used to demand greater and greater control over production by big governments, which is really what they want.

I prefer to suppose, supported by a couple thousand years of history, that mankind will devise engineering solutions to the problems of climate change as they occur, knowing that they will occur gradually with plenty of time to observe and devise those solutions. Nobody reading this believes that Manhattan, Miami, Venice, or Amsterdam will ever be inundated with ocean-water. It will not be allowed to happen. Our descendants will see to it.

 

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Rational humans know that nothing done in the United States will have any measurable effect on the climate a hundred years out. If the entire human race committed immediately to "Net Zero" today, the mean temperature of the earth MIGHT BE one degree C cooler in a hundred years than if we do, in effect, nothing at all.

But the entire human race is not on board. In fact, most of the human race is still building coal-fired power plants (including China and India), and will continue to do so for many decades to come, as coal is the cheapest and most plentiful source of BTU's on the planet. And against that reality, the efforts in the U.S. and Western Europe to curtail our use of carbon fuels is like using human-powered buckets to fight a massive flood.

It is no coincidence that the world's Leftists - essentially none of whom have any interest in real science - are the ones beating the zero carbon drums, because it can be used to demand greater and greater control over production by big governments, which is really what they want.

I prefer to suppose, supported by a couple thousand years of history, that mankind will devise engineering solutions to the problems of climate change as they occur, knowing that they will occur gradually with plenty of time to observe and devise those solutions. Nobody reading this believes that Manhattan, Miami, Venice, or Amsterdam will ever be inundated with ocean-water. It will not be allowed to happen. Our descendants will see to it.

I respect the scientific consensus and do not pretend that the most knowledgeable in the field are "stupid" and/or "evil," , and regret that China, with the the U.S. surrender, is exploiting the growing global market for clean energy technology to prosper and increase its influence.

China Is Leading the World in the Clean Energy Transition.
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There is no competent, rigorous, and thorough analysis of the climatologocal data that refutes the consensus,

 

[ReinyDays]

Your projecting serves no purpose.

Oh ... I understand the science well enough ... I believe in education and life-long learning ...

You stated you were anti-education, and blindly follow whatever media source says the things you want to hear ... and you don't care about the things that make up science ... instead you post poop ... Bubba didn't finish Middle School ... doesn't understand algebra ...

 

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Oh ... I understand the science well enough ... I believe in education and life-long learning ...

You stated you were anti-education, and blindly follow whatever media source says the things you want to hear ... and you don't care about the things that make up science ... instead you post poop ... Bubba didn't finish Middle School ... doesn't understand algebra ...

Your need to falsify what I have actually said destroys your credibility as well as your integrity.

 

[ReinyDays]

Your need to falsify what I have actually said destroys your credibility as well as your integrity.

No it doesn't ... and you've already admitted to not have the understanding to judge anyone in this matter ... why should I care how you judge me then? ...

If this is about pride, then you've lost ... I bring none here ...

 

[schmidlap]

No it doesn't ... and you've already admitted to not have the understanding to judge anyone in this matter ... why should I care how you judge me then? ...

If this is about pride, then you've lost ... I bring none here ...

Since you falsely attribute words to me "You stated you were anti-education", I must conclude that you have no intention of engaging in an honest discussion.

I'll continue to respect scientific consensuses in scientific disciplines, and you can believe whatever you wish.

 

[schmidlap]

... China, with the the U.S. surrender, is exploiting the growing global market for clean energy technology to prosper and increase its influence...

The United States has abandoned, not only acknowledged climatological science, but also a huge global market and all the political influence that involves.

China's longstanding dominance of clean energy manufacturing is translating into a behemoth export business, with close to $1 trillion worth of batteries, solar components, electric vehicles and wind power systems shipped globally since 2018.

 

[ReinyDays]

Since you falsely attribute words to me "You stated you were anti-education", I must conclude that you have no intention of engaging in an honest discussion.

I'll continue to respect scientific consensuses in scientific disciplines, and you can believe whatever you wish.

Well ...

I don't pretend to have superior scientific expertise or data.

Are you willing to learn? ... it gets complicated and it involves A LOT of Physics ... do you have any education in any science? ...

 

[JimH52]

Whilst ceding the growing market for clean energy technology to China, Trump's irrational science denial has not frozen progress globally. Far from it.

For the first time, renewable energy has overtaken coal as the primary source of electricity around the world, a new report says, indicating a shift in the global reliance on environmentally harmful fossil fuels.

Renewable electricity use rose to 34.3% of global consumption in the first half of 2025, while coal's use fell to 33.1%, the energy think tank Ember found. Renewable energies include sources like solar, wind and hydro, as opposed to fossil fuels like coal and natural gas.

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/09/nx-s1-5564746/renewable-energy-coal-electricity-first

While the Liar in Chief is opening up more federal land for coal exploration. What a Moron.

 

[EMH]

environmentally harmful fossil fuels

and how do fossil fuels harm the environment?