Has Fascism come to America?

[Pastelli]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

Please explain "extreme nationalism".

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BTW,
Speaking of Mussolini...


'Majallat Al-Maghrib', 1986, Vols. 11-12, p.32.

Mussolini, Libya and the Sword of Islam.
By John Wright
[...]
In British-mandated Palestine, the journal Filastin welcomed the evident further tensions in Anglo-Italian relations aroused by Mussolini's Libyan visit as an advantage for the Arab cause. In its next issue, Filastin quoted the 'alim of acre Assad al-Shuqairi, as approving the welcome and honours given Mussolini by the 'ulama' of Libya.... According to the report, Al-Shuqairi had suggested that Palestinian and Libya 'ulama' invite Mussolini to adopt a policy of non-cooperation with zionists and to treat them as the nazis were doing.

 

[Nostra]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

Is it fascist for a President to think he can murder an American citizen without due process Coyote ?

 

[Vrenn]

UNDERSTOOD

But the Biden Junta was determined to use illegals to watered down Republicans/Conservative votes - that is election interference and a violation of my due process of law right to vote

Biden isn't sending people to gulags without due process. Your whataboutism is noted and denied.

 

[Vrenn]

We The People who are American citizens.
The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.

It would be if you MAGAts had your way. You would send the majority of America, both legal and illegal, to prisons and then wonder why you can't have even a single apple or carrot.

 

[cnm]

We didn't design China's tariffs on the US, you dope.

Yes you did, first by crippling the WTO, then by tariffing China. Just how dumb are MAGAts?


Um...that was rhetorical.

 

[SeaMajor7]

It would be if you MAGAts had your way. You would send the majority of America, both legal and illegal, to prisons and then wonder why you can't have even a single apple or carrot.

Strap up that helmet, we're coming to getchya!!!


Kidding aside, it's a shame that someone like yourself doesn't recognize that it is the demented LEFT that best fit your fears.

 

[Vrenn]

Strap up that helmet, we're coming to getchya!!!


Kidding aside, it's a shame that someone like yourself doesn't recognize that it is the demented LEFT that best fit your fears.

I happen to be an old style Republican Conservative. You happen to be a MAGAt. I saw you coming but too many said that you could never cause that much trouble. They were wrong.
I recognize the dangerous MAGAts as the enemy of the United States along with the US Constitution. And you have said or done nothing to keep us old Constitutionalist from condemning you. BTW, I wonder if the over 20 years Military Service was worth it to watch you domestic terrorists in action. The answer to that is, yes. What is stopping you MAGAts right now is the US Constitution and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

 

[whoisit]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

America is not a Democracy; it is a Republic. or it was.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I happen to be an old style Republican Conservative. You happen to be a MAGAt. I saw you coming but too many said that you could never cause that much trouble. They were wrong.
I recognize the dangerous MAGAts as the enemy of the United States along with the US Constitution. And you have said or done nothing to keep us old Constitutionalist from condemning you. BTW, I wonder if the over 20 years Military Service was worth it to watch you domestic terrorists in action. The answer to that is, yes. What is stopping you MAGAts right now is the US Constitution and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Here, let Uncle Yuri remind you...
From 1985, WOOT!!! We are living the repercussions right NOW, and it doesn't look good for you now. The "LOCKED-DOWN" youth will never forget the tyranny...



Interviewer: The Soviets use the phase, “ideological subversion”. What do they mean by that?


Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all the American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There’s no mystery. There’s nothing to do with espionage. I know espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all! According to my opinion, and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, (2 Russian words, активные something, I couldn’t catch it) in the language of the KGB, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality of every American to such as extent that in spite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already, for the last 25 years, actually it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is being done by Americans to Americans thanks to a lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

The next stage is destabilization. This time, the subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption, whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby, it doesn’t matter anymore. This time, and it takes only from 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation, what matters is essentials, the economy, foreign relations, defense systems. And you can see quite clearly that in some areas in such sensitive areas as defense and economy, the influence of Marxist / Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process will go that fast.

The next stage of course is crisis. It may take only up to 6 weeks to bring a country up to the verge of crisis. You can see them in Central America now.

And after crisis, with a violent change of power, structure and economy, you have a period of so called normalization. It may last indefinitely. Normalization is a cynical expression born from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in ’68, Comrade Brezhnev said, “Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized!” This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all these smucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind of goodies and a paradise on earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington D.C. With benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale who will promise lots of things, never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not.

 

[Correll]

"Blessed are the merciful" doesn't apply to the Antichrist.

It's nice that you have a dramatic self image.

I stand by my statement. Trump went easy on you guys last time. This time, i think he won't, and I support that.

 

[Correll]

That sounds pretty fascist-y.

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It really does. Libs. All the self awareness of a potted plant.

If the potted plant is dead.

 

[Mac1958]

I happen to be an old style Republican Conservative. You happen to be a MAGAt. I saw you coming but too many said that you could never cause that much trouble. They were wrong.
I recognize the dangerous MAGAts as the enemy of the United States along with the US Constitution.

They refuse to admit that Americans across the political spectrum see the danger here. And we can see what's happening right now. We can what America is becoming. One doesn't have to be a lefty to see it.

Point out that heavy criticism has come from Trump's former staff, his former generals, his former lawyers, current and former conservative judges, his former Security Department officials, his former Cabinet members, and any number of Republicans, and they just brush it off like flies at a picnic.

They know what is happening is wrong and unAmerican. They don't care. They've been convinced by the voices they trust that they're at war, and that anything they do is fully justified. Not unlike Jihadis.

 

[sparky]

what stands out in this thread is all the examples you folks claim is 'fascism' w/out a metric



~S~

 

[Nostra]

Is it fascist for a President to think he can murder an American citizen without due process Coyote ?

: crickets: from Coyote

 

[d0gbreath]

It's nice that you have a dramatic self image.

I stand by my statement. Trump went easy on you guys last time. This time, i think he won't, and I support that.

We're more than ready for him.

 

[M14 Shooter]

: crickets: from Coyote

You ran them out of talking points - they have to go back for more propaganda.

 

[Foxfyre]

Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.”


Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”

Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

It is wrong, unAmerican, foolish, silly to confuse a fascist dictatorship with a restructuring of government so that it is serving and working for the people instead of mostly for itself.

Fascism isn't just nationalism. An "America First" mentality or policy is in no way fascist.

The best one line description of Fascism is this: "Authoritarian nationalism, racism, and suppression of dissent."

Any intellectually honest assessment would see that in the previous administration far more than anything that can be identified in the current one.

 

[Correll]

We're more than ready for him.

Ball's in your court. Trump is ready for YOU. MAGA is ready for you.

 

[d0gbreath]

Ball's in your court. Trump is ready for YOU. MAGA is ready for you.

Y'all may be ready for us, but how do you figure that the ball's in our court? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Correll]

Y'all may be ready for us, but how do you figure that the ball's in our court? That doesn't make sense.

Because we are in charge and implementing our policies. If you're going to use violence to stop us, then you the "ball is in your court".