Has Fascism come to America?

[Ringo]

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual.

There is one thing that is inherent in ALL types of fascism and it is not nationalism as many may think. For example, the fascist dictatorships of Latin America were not characterized by nationalism. What unites all types of fascism is that they all emerge as a response of the financial bourgeoisie to the rise of leftist movements when they threaten their rule. Capitalism is pregnant with fascism. It's its natural response to the threat to its existence.

And since economic crises, as an indispensable feature of capitalism, lead to the deterioration of the situation of the people and the spread of the struggle against the existing regimes, it is also inevitable that the capitalist upper class reacts by creating military organizations of anti-communist orientation for the armed struggle against the threat to the power of Capital. This is when fascism manifests itself, in periods of capitalist crisis.

 

[Nostra]

Yeah, the moral equivalence game doesn't in anyway excuses or mitigate MAGA pulling people off the street and disappearing them, imprisoning them INDEFINITELY without charges, convictions, trials, due process, or even judicial review.

Again, if they can do this to illegals, they can do this to US Citizens. As when could you possibly object if you were snatched up by MAGA and put into a foreign gulag? MAGA insists you have no access to any trial, judicial review, or even a hearing.......and are beyond judicial review once you've been imprisoned with no charges for any crime.

Trump is already calling for the 'deportation' of US Citizens, giving us the same bullshit 'but only the violent criminals' claims that he used when disappearing 230 people to El Salvador.....despite 179 of them being convicted of NO crime, let alone a violent one.

And Trump is even now trying to invoke wartime powers during peace time using the Alien and Sedition Act. The very act cited by the US government when they interned US citizens in camps.

All while Trump flagrantly ignores court orders, even the Supreme Court.

And MAGA cheers.

He isn’t “disappeared”, Simp.

One of your Cult leaders just flew down there and licked his boots.

 

[Nostra]

No. It was ongoing or it would not still be in court system.

Note: the argument is not that he shouldn’t be deported as an illegal alien. It is sending him to a notorious prison when he has committed no crime either here or in El Salvador.



The judge disagrees.



What does Honderous have to do with it?

We have laws against sending people to a country where they will be killed and sending innocent people to jail.

That is a PATHETIC excuse.

Trumo didn’t send him to prison. El Salvador did.
‘And how do you know he has committed no crimes in ES?

And his wife would disagree with your lies he has committed no crime. She signed documents on a number of occasions saying he was a wife beater.

 

[Nostra]

You are just like your Orange Cheeto. You can't help but to tell a lie. Your motto is, why tell the truth when a lie works just as well. Say goodnight, Gracie.

Your lies have been debunked long ago. Even the lefty “fact” checkers say you are a liar Vrenn

Trump Has Condemned White Supremacists - FactCheck.org

Former Vice President Joe Biden wrongly claimed President Donald Trump has "yet once to condemn white supremacy, the neo-Nazis." Trump has specifically condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis on a few occasions.

www.factcheck.org

 

[justoffal]

I'm just trying to clarify. If they are illegal immigrants, they should be entitled to a Title 8 hearing.

Actually I'm think it's the to get rid of those hearings... They are used to circumvent immigration law

 

[TemplarKormac]

Actually I'm thinking it's time to get rid of those hearings... They are used to circumvent immigration law.

I see. But that's giving the illegals a clear route to contest and delay their deportation.

I don't think you'd want that.

How else do you think we should try them?

(P.S. I edited your quote for clarity, the context was not changed.)

 

[justoffal]

I see. But that's giving the illegals a clear route to contest and delay their deportation.

I don't think you'd want that.

How else do you think we should try them?

(P.S. I edited your quote for clarity, the context was not changed.)

Unfortunately the people who are running the hearings Don't seem to have the national interest at heart.

I think it's pretty simple.... If you're here illegally you get thrown out pronto no questions asked no court date set.

Or get a social security number and start paying into the system with the understanding that you will get nothing from it until you satisfy The requirements of citizenship.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Or get a social security number and start paying into the system with the understanding that you will get nothing from it until you satisfy The requirements of citizenship.

That's a compelling idea, however, if they are to be punished, punish them. Don't give them anything but their due process and a swift exit from the US proper.

I think it's pretty simple.... If you're here illegally you get thrown out pronto no questions asked no court date set.

But the 5th and 14th Amendments stand in the way of that. What do you do to satisfy the Constitution?

 

[Contumacious]

There is one thing that is inherent in ALL types of fascism and it is not nationalism as many may think. For example, the fascist dictatorships of Latin America were not characterized by nationalism. What unites all types of fascism is that they all emerge as a response of the financial bourgeoisie to the rise of leftist movements when they threaten their rule. Capitalism is pregnant with fascism. It's its natural response to the threat to its existence.

And since economic crises, as an indispensable feature of capitalism, lead to the deterioration of the situation of the people and the spread of the struggle against the existing regimes, it is also inevitable that the capitalist upper class reacts by creating military organizations of anti-communist orientation for the armed struggle against the threat to the power of Capital. This is when fascism manifests itself, in periods of capitalist crisis.

HUH?

WHAT THE FUCKETH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take it that You took economics at the Karl Marx Community College

Unbelievable

 

[AZrailwhale]

That's a compelling idea, however, if they are to be punished, punish them. Don't give them anything but their due process and a swift exit from the US proper.




But the 5th and 14th Amendments stand in the way of that. What do you do to satisfy the Constitution?

The Constitution doesn’t mandate trials. A hearing in front of a immigration official is adequate due process.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The Constitution doesn’t mandate trials. A hearing in front of a immigration official is adequate due process.

I'm pretty sure the 5th Amendment demands people be tried in the court of law. An immigration official counts.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm pretty sure the 5th Amendment demands people be tried in the court of law. An immigration official counts.

Illegal immigrants aren’t being tried for crimes. They are being interviewed for cause to allow the Pam to status in the country or be expelled. That used to be done by low-level immigration officials at Ellis Island or other ports of entry.

 

[Mac1958]

Bread and circuses with Kristi Noam cosplaying in front people they pretending are “the worst of the worst”. **** them.

Gawd, that has been so bizarre.

I guess her splashy cosplaying is appropriate for the Pro Wrestling Party™, and I'm sure the flock is real impressed by her fabulous wardrobe 'n stuff, but holy crap.

That picture of her, all dolled up, photo-ready, unknowingly pointing a gun at a guy's fuckin' head, is a PERFECT symbol of this administration.

Noem’s Rifle Pointing At Agent’s Face Broke Major Safety Rule, Wyoming Experts Say

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

ON both sides of the issue of historical statues. Which you knew. SO you are lying right now. You are not only lying, in the service of lying, in the service of the very concept of lying, but you are lying right here and now. So, nothing you say, is credible.

You're delusional.

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very ...​

The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2017/08 › trum...
Aug 15, 2017 — President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people.”

President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend.

Speaking in the lobby of Trump Tower at what had been billed as a statement on infrastructure, a combative Trump defended his slowness to condemn white nationalists and neo-Nazis after the melee in central Virginia, which ended in the death of one woman and injuries to dozens of others, and compared the tearing down of Confederate monuments to the hypothetical removal of monuments to the Founding Fathers. He also said that counter protesters deserve an equal amount of blame for the violence.

My making a point about how bad the Lefty MSM is, is not a claim that other media is perfect. But you knew that. The pretense that it was, is a LIE from you. Incase any reader forgot that you were lying.




Here we have your conclusion. Based on lies. It is of course a lie.


What I am advocating is the destruction of legacy media, which has clearly demonstrated itself to be hostile to the American people, America as a whole and to the Truth or the role it is SUPPOSED to serve in society.


AND, for the foreseeable future, for that role to be served by alternative media, mostly online.





Everything you have said here, has been a lie. My opposition to the legacy media is not based on a desire to control the flow of information, but to not allow them to control it.

YOU LEFTIES, ARE THE FASCISTS. You want the control, I want chaos and freedom, in the flow of information.

 

[Correll]

You're delusional.

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very ...​

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The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2017/08 › trum...
Aug 15, 2017 — President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people.”

President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend.

Speaking in the lobby of Trump Tower at what had been billed as a statement on infrastructure, a combative Trump defended his slowness to condemn white nationalists and neo-Nazis after the melee in central Virginia, which ended in the death of one woman and injuries to dozens of others, and compared the tearing down of Confederate monuments to the hypothetical removal of monuments to the Founding Fathers. He also said that counter protesters deserve an equal amount of blame for the violence.

Wow. You have just proved my point for me.

The altlantic story you cite, opens with a clear cut lie, when it says that Trump "defended white nationalists".

I have already cited his actual text, in context, where he explicitly stated that he was NOT referring to the white nationalists.


It is not credible that the Atlantic writer is unaware of that, nor that he is confused by that.


He is choosing to lie.


This proves my point about the legacy media. It is a hostile entity purposefully harming this nation and culture.


The proper response is to destroy it. It needs to die, for the good of the nation.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Wow. You have just proved my point for me.

The altlantic story you cite, opens with a clear cut lie, when it says that Trump "defended white nationalists".

I have already cited his actual text, in context, where he explicitly stated that he was NOT referring to the white nationalists.


It is not credible that the Atlantic writer is unaware of that, nor that he is confused by that.


He is choosing to lie.


This proves my point about the legacy media. It is a hostile entity purposefully harming this nation and culture.


The proper response is to destroy it. It needs to die, for the good of the nation.

How were in, any way were there fine people marching with neo-nazi's?

 

[Correll]

How were in, any way were there fine people marching with neo-nazi's?

Dude. STOP PLAYING DUMB.

The neo-nazis tried to co-opt a bigger issue, ie the historical statues. Thus they dishonestly advertized the rally as being focused on THAT issue, thus getting many poeple to show up, FOR THAT ISSUE, people who were not, are not neo-nazis.

This has been discuss over and over again for years. It is not credible that you have missed this.

You are LYING, about what TRUMP said, to support a FALSE NARRATIVE, of Trump and maga and even AMERICA, being racist or w.s.


That is a very divisive lie. That leads to racial conflict where people DIE.

And you support that, because it benefits your side politically.

The media supports it, because it benefits the left politically.


Thus, my point, the legacy media is a poison in this society and teh best thing that can happen with it, is for it to die.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Dude. STOP PLAYING DUMB.

You FIRST.

The neo-nazis tried to co-opt a bigger issue, ie the historical statues. Thus they dishonestly advertized the rally as being focused on THAT issue, thus getting many poeple to show up, FOR THAT ISSUE, people who were not, are not neo-nazis.

So, WHERE were they?

This has been discuss over and over again for years. It is not credible that you have missed this.

You certainly have.

You are LYING, about what TRUMP said, to support a FALSE NARRATIVE, of Trump and maga and even AMERICA, being racist or w.s.

It's on video, from Trump's big-mac eating hole.

That is a very divisive lie. That leads to racial conflict where people DIE.

And you support that, because it benefits your side politically.

The media supports it, because it benefits the left politically.


Thus, my point, the legacy media is a poison in this society and teh best thing that can happen with it, is for it to die.

So.........Maybe one of those RWNJ bloggers has a video of the "Peaceful" protesters at Charlottesville you can post?

 

[Correll]

You FIRST.

So, WHERE were they?

You certainly have.

It's on video, from Trump's big-mac eating hole.

Correct. And it says the OPPOSITE of what you lying leftards claim it says, clearly and explicitly.

So, your lies are just you being lying assholes.


Trump condemend the w.s., and your filthy lying legacy media reported the EXACT opposite to the public.


During a time of widespread rioting, with dozens killed, your side was fanning the flames with racist lies.

So.........Maybe one of those RWNJ bloggers has a video of the "Peaceful" protesters at Charlottesville you can post?

What? You want me to post a picture so that you can point to it and pretend to not see that the person is there for the historical statues and not a w.s.?

LOL. You are just spamming nonsense.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I'm pretty sure the 5th Amendment demands people be tried in the court of law. An immigration official counts.

ILLEGAL ALIENS are NOT American People.