Has Fascism come to America?

Let’s look at this definition and compare it to what is happening now.


Fascism.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations, many experts see fascism as a mass political movement centered around extreme nationalism, militarism, and the placement of national interests above those of the individual.


It’s pretty obvious we are in a period of extreme nationalism, reflected in our belligerent America First (and only) policies and actions. It is also pretty obvious that MAGA is a mass political movement.

Placement of national interests above the individual. Our actions towards immigrants (legally here) using the excuse of “national security” to move them secretly to detention centers in judge-friendly districts and effectively silence dissent and strip them of their rights would be one example. It is followed by further attacks on legitimate peaceful protests through through the use of Executive power along with new state laws to criminalize peaceful protesting with harsh punative measures, thus eroding one of our most fundamental individual rights. National interest is being redefined in the process and it includes suppressing or completely erasing individual rights for certain groups.

This point from the link is blatant and undeniable:

Fascist regimes often advocate for the overthrow of institutions that they view as "liberal decay" while simultaneously promoting traditional values.

We are seeing this play out in the chaotic dismantling of Federal agencies, including those long considered independent and non-partisan, the wholesale eradication of apolitical watch-dog agencies and ethics boards.

We are also seeing it play out in the purging or attempted purging and restructuring of humanities related entities: Kennedy Center, Smithsonian, Archives, libraries, museums and galleries.

Promoting “traditional values” through the rewriting history in these institutions (redefining Harriett Tubman’s role in the Underground Railroad for and what that railroad actually was for example) . It is also being redefined by erasing certain groups from the public sphere (schools, library books, cultural events and productions, official recognition). This purge is more stealthy, often done in the guise of getting rid of “DEI” which has come to mean anything they want it to mean. This extends beyond government entities with pressure exerted on private entities.
You'll never get them to admit that fascism is right wing.

Show them a dictionary definition, and they'll say the dictionary is commie.

MAGA has their own dictionary, their own definitions, their own perceptions, their own reality. That's why it's the alternate universe.
 
WTF is Fascism anyway?

It is leftist thought. It is State-Directed Capitalism.
Fascism is more just an economic system.

Calling it “leftist” is an attempt to redirect rightist extremism onto the left. Rightists should just man up and own it, after all, I don’t see the left working hard to make a false claim Communism is



It is the bastard child of the filthy whore, Marxism. Every Fascist leader in the last century started out as a socialist, saw the excesses of Russia's revolution and tried a third way -- Fascism. Read a book fer chrissakes. All the negatives of socialism but with State-Directed Capitalism. Hitler went in a slightly different direction with his National Socialism. He didn't believe in the All-Powerful State like Stalin and Mussolini did. Although he did copy a lot from Musso, his National Socialism was quite different.
Fascism was a reaction to Socialism and it is noteworthy that both Mussolini and Hitler were booted from their socialist parties and created new political ideologies. But because it sprang from a reaction to socialism, that doesn’t mean it is a leftwing ideology.

People seem to define left and rightwing ideologies with the size of government but that is really a new and uniquely American view.

Leftwing ideologies typically center around equity and inclusiveness and rightwing ideologies embrace heirarchy and tradition, which is at the core of Fascism.


If you wish to speak of authoritarianism, then say so. Don't disguise it in name-calling. Especially when you, frankly, don't know what your talking about.

Fascism and authoritarianism can overlap, but they are also different. Not all authoritarians are fascist. I’m strictly talking about fascism because it is well defined.

You want authoritarianism, look at some Medieval States. Look to Islam. Look to Red China where they just executed 2 Canadian Citizens for mere possession of drugs. Which, BTW, the CCP meets every testbook definition of a Fascist State. We meet -- None of them.
Does the CCP? Not economically. Fascism is still capitalist and while China has allowed a limited amount of capitalism on a small scale it is still mostly communist. Authoritarian, yes. Fascism opposes state ownership of production and has no interest in economic equality.

Except in the minds of petulant children. Your parents won't let you spend the night at your friend's house and they're mean and you hate them. We all felt like that at 12.
So why do you still feel like that?


It's time. It's just time......
Shred the Constitution while your at it? The very definition of a petulant child.
 
You'll never get them to admit that fascism is right wing.

Show them a dictionary definition, and they'll say the dictionary is commie.

MAGA has their own dictionary, their own definitions, their own perceptions, their own reality. That's why it's the alternate universe.
Sad but true (and frustrating).
 
What a crock.

There is absolutely nothing about our nation or the Trump Administration that qualifies as fascist.

Fascism:


See: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
Pretty damn close 👍🏻
 
It is. I’m a stickler for reality, hence my concerns about fascism.
If you were a stickler for reality, you’d never suggest that we are the n any danger of becoming fascist.
 
Power and reach isn’t dependent on the number of bodies in the civil service.
Really?

Good thing we got rid of the bodies, then.

MINIMAL government is a good thing.
 
One feature of Fascism is it often involves a “cult of personality”. In and of itself, that isn’t fascist or necessarily bad. History is full of charismatic figures and leaders. But when it lines up with other features of fascism, it’s a concern. One aspect of a “cult of personality” is controlling the image by controlling the media, either directly with legislation or indirectly through threats, meritless investigations and other means.


Cult of Personality:
cult of personality, a deliberately created system of art, symbolism, and ritual centred on the institutionalized quasi-religious glorification of a specific individual. Since the 20th century, “cult of personality” has been most often used to refer to charismatic leader cults, a type of personality cult which is based on a political leader and designed to enforce their power, magnify their ideology, and legitimize the rule of the government associated with them.


Trump and the media

While Trump does not exert complete control with how he is portrayed in the media, there are some signs that he is dipping his toe in that pool and adjusting the temperature. Fox News is entirely Trumps mouth piece and has been for some time.

Bezos, who now owns The Washington Post, has executed a sharp reversal in regards to Trump and this has been reflected in his handling of the paper in regards to political cartoons, editorial section and nixing the long time tradition of the editors endorsing a candidate. It remains to be seen if further changes occur. It is also worth noting Bezos stands to gain millions in government contracts.

Trump has also cut “unfriendly” media from the White House press pool and other government press pools and taken control of how they will be selected in the future in an effort to control how he will be covered.

On February 7 the Department of Defense announced the Post would be removed from its office in the Pentagon’s “Correspondents Corridor” along with CNN, plus the New York Times, NPR and NBC which were evicted earlier to make room for pro-Trump media organisations.

Trump has ordered his agencies to investigate stations he deems as “unfair” (read that as critical) in their coverage of him, not on the basis of any wrong doing but in an effort to inspire fear and influence their coverage of him.

Trumps Historic War on Traditional Media

Zoom in: These moves, while punitive, are temporary and a new president can easily reverse them. Broader efforts to target media companies by Trump, his administration and a Republican-led Congress recently could be harder to unwind.

  • Congressional PBS, NPR probe: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) has called on the CEOs of NPR and PBS to testify at a DOGE subcommittee hearing about what she says is "systemically biased content." It's the first hearing to be announced for the subcommittee. Both broadcasters rely on congressionally appropriated funding to survive.
  • FCC PBS, NPR probe: The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is also investigating the two public broadcasters over whether their member stations violated FCC rules around airing commercial ads. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr implied that the investigation could help influence Congress' funding decision.
  • FCC Comcast/NBC investigation: Carr informed Comcast he is opening an investigation into the company's diversity, equity and inclusion practices. It marked the first public effort by the new administration to target a private company for its DEI initiatives.
  • FCC CBS inquiry: Carr opened an inquiry into CBS News to evaluate whether it violated the FCC's news distortion rules when it edited a "60 Minutes" interview with 2024 Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris during the campaign. The inquiry adds pressure to CBS, as it considers whether to settle a separate lawsuit filed against it last year by Trump before he took office.
Trump is, for all intents and purposes, saying that a free press is or should be illegal.

President Trump railed against the media on Friday, suggesting some of the actions of the press be deemed illegal and should be investigated.
In a speech at the Department of Justice (DOJ), during which Trump railed against people and entities that he claims have targeted him, said he views CNN and MSNBC as corrupt.
“I believe that CNN and MS-DNC, who literally write 97.6 percent bad about me, are political arms of the Democrat Party and in my opinion, they’re really corrupt and they’re illegal, what do they do is illegal,” Trump said.
 
Really?

Good thing we got rid of the bodies, then.

MINIMAL government is a good thing.
Is “minimal” to you based on “butts in the seat” or in the scope and reach of it?
 
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Let’s look at this definition and compare it to what is happening now.


Fascism.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations, many experts see fascism as a mass political movement centered around extreme nationalism, militarism, and the placement of national interests above those of the individual.


It’s pretty obvious we are in a period of extreme nationalism, reflected in our belligerent America First (and only) policies and actions. It is also pretty obvious that MAGA is a mass political movement.

Placement of national interests above the individual. Our actions towards immigrants (legally here) using the excuse of “national security” to move them secretly to detention centers in judge-friendly districts and effectively silence dissent and strip them of their rights would be one example. It is followed by further attacks on legitimate peaceful protests through through the use of Executive power along with new state laws to criminalize peaceful protesting with harsh punative measures, thus eroding one of our most fundamental individual rights. National interest is being redefined in the process and it includes suppressing or completely erasing individual rights for certain groups.

This point from the link is blatant and undeniable:

Fascist regimes often advocate for the overthrow of institutions that they view as "liberal decay" while simultaneously promoting traditional values.

We are seeing this play out in the chaotic dismantling of Federal agencies, including those long considered independent and non-partisan, the wholesale eradication of apolitical watch-dog agencies and ethics boards.

We are also seeing it play out in the purging or attempted purging and restructuring of humanities related entities: Kennedy Center, Smithsonian, Archives, libraries, museums and galleries.

Promoting “traditional values” through the rewriting history in these institutions (redefining Harriett Tubman’s role in the Underground Railroad for and what that railroad actually was for example) . It is also being redefined by erasing certain groups from the public sphere (schools, library books, cultural events and productions, official recognition). This purge is more stealthy, often done in the guise of getting rid of “DEI” which has come to mean anything they want it to mean. This extends beyond government entities with pressure exerted on private entities.

You are using a dirty 4 letter word on the MAGAts and that is "Read".
 
I just don’t co-exist well with MAGAreality. It makes me laugh uncontrollably and spill whatever I’m drinking.
Maybe that explains it.

Maybe you drink too much.
 
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DOGE is like a dozen people.

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Hmmm…let me repeat in simple terms that even you can comprehend. It isn’t about numbers of people. Surely that should be obvious to you.
 
Everyone can find examples of extreme, bizarre or wasteful anywhere. You know, the infamous “bridge to nowhere”. The question is is it typical?

More questions:
Is it taken out of context or misrepresented?
What was the purpose of the study? Short term and long term?
Who should determine whether or not to fund scientific studies?
Politicians?
Popular opinion?

Or should it be determined through a peer review process?

Do you want “popular opinion” to decide to reject a study on treatment of brain cancer as wasteful because they believe ivermectin cures cancer?
Peer review puts the fox in charge of the hen house.
 
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