Happy Custer Day!

[Tommy Tainant]

I believe there were several thousand Sioux Arapaho and Cheyenne Braves who Custer in his arrogance didn't expect to be there, he though the was going on another punitive raid against Indian villages full of women and kids.

I would like to see hollywood make an honest film about the battle. That idiot is sstll a hero to some americans.

 

[gipper]

I would like to see hollywood make an honest film about the battle. That idiot is sstll a hero to some americans.

Just a tiny microcosm of how the American people have been consistently deceived fooled and tricked into believing fairy tales that magically always support the State.

 

[Deadstick]

I would like to see hollywood make an honest film about the battle. That idiot is sstll a hero to some americans.

Well he got what was coming.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Well he got what was coming.

Yeah but his unlucky men paid for his idiocy. I guess that the US introduced competency tests after that. Or maybe not.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Just a tiny microcosm of how the American people have been consistently deceived fooled and tricked into believing fairy tales that magically always support the State.

I love westerns. I remember when I was a child I pertered my Mam to take me to see Custer of the West at the Stute. Robert Shaw played Custer annd he seemed an attractive sympathetic figure to me.
Most of the films I have seen since then have been sympathetic. I dont suppoe there is a domestic market for a film that encourages you to cheer for the Sioux.
De Santis would certainly ban it. So would that skank in Dakota.

 

[gipper]

I love westerns. I remember when I was a child I pertered my Mam to take me to see Custer of the West at the Stute. Robert Shaw played Custer annd he seemed an attractive sympathetic figure to me.
Most of the films I have seen since then have been sympathetic. I dont suppoe there is a domestic market for a film that encourages you to cheer for the Sioux.
De Santis would certainly ban it. So would that skank in Dakota.

Unfortunately American history as it’s taught and depicted by Hollywood, is almost always propaganda designed to support the criminal state.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Unfortunately American history as it’s taught and depicted by Hollywood, is almost always propaganda designed to support the criminal state.

British film industry is a lot smaller but generally as bad. Films about british colonials in Africa or India are generally awful. From the 60s onwards there was a seeries of revisionist films , a reaction to the rubbish that had gone before.
Charge of the Light Brigade is a good example. Gandhi was another one.
And of course wewere taught a version of colonial history.. Alll the good stuff. No bad stuff. A comic book version.

I think there was a similar move in the US.Some of the Nam films.Watergate. But mainky celebrating dubious victories.There is never any context to why you are in Vietnam. But I am always amused that black folk can never win without an heroic white guy standing up for them.
I would like to see a film aabout the US installing the Shah.

PS - Missing did an excellent job of debunlking the American role in Chile. Jack Lemmon was amazing in it.

 

[Deadstick]

I love westerns. I remember when I was a child I pertered my Mam to take me to see Custer of the West at the Stute. Robert Shaw played Custer annd he seemed an attractive sympathetic figure to me.
Most of the films I have seen since then have been sympathetic. I dont suppoe there is a domestic market for a film that encourages you to cheer for the Sioux.
De Santis would certainly ban it. So would that skank in Dakota.

Yes i have been a fan of westerns since i was a kid but i think it was only from maybe the late 60s some western films tried to show the reality of those days, however one of my all time favourites was Shane, i watched it again just a few weeks ago on TV, but pure entertainment, big fan of the late Ben Jonson who had been a real Cowboy.

 

[Deadstick]

As for little bighorn i have read about it over the years, that Major Reno seems to have been a interesting character, did Custer make the mistake of splitting his forces to attack the Indian village? Reno was outflanked and half his force destroyed so Custer was on his own after that.

 

[Mushroom]

I would like to see hollywood make an honest film about the battle. That idiot is sstll a hero to some americans.

There is one, and it starred Dustin Hoffman. With Richard Mulligan playing Custer.



Still not accurate, but closer than any other movie based on the event.

 

[Deadstick]

There is one, and it starred Dustin Hoffman. With Richard Mulligan playing Custer.



Still not accurate, but closer than any other movie based on the event.

Yes i saw that film, it was funny in parts, i seem to remember some guy insisted on calling Hoffman a Mule Skinner, could have been Custer, always like Hoffmans work.

 

[Mushroom]

Yes i saw that film, it was funny in parts, i seem to remember some guy insisted on calling Hoffman a Mule Skinner, could have been Custer, always like Hoffmans work.

That was Custer. Because in the movie when he first saw him when he presented himself as a scout, Custer said he was not a scout and obviously a mule skinner (slang term for a teamster). So that is what he was hired as, only later becoming a scout. But he would still call him a mule skinner, even when Hoffman's character tried to warn him what would happen if he went to confront the camp.



I am actually going to rewatch the movie tonight, because I discovered it is streaming for free (with ads) on YT. A favorite movie of mine, and one I have not seen in many years.



And it is a superb "Revisionist Western movie" from the era. Not unlike Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid the year before, and Jerimiah Johnson two years later. I always loved how in the latter they neglected to cover the cannibal aspect of the real life character, I guess Robert Redford did not want to be known for playing "Liver Eating Johnson".

 

[mikegriffith1]

On balance, when judged by any reasonable standard, Custer was an honorable and capable officer.

Custer's operational plan at the battle at the Little Big Horn was sound, and the battle would have ended very differently if Major Reno had not blundered by leaving the timber, if Major Reno had not shamefully dallied on Reno Hill, and if Captain Benteen had not disobeyed Custer's clear order to bring more ammo quickly.

General Custer and the Little Big Horn: Setting the Record Straight

 

[gipper]

On balance, when judged by any reasonable standard, Custer was an honorable and capable officer.

Custer's operational plan at the battle at the Little Big Horn was sound, and the battle would have ended very differently if Major Reno had not blundered by leaving the timber, if Major Reno had not shamefully dallied on Reno Hill, and if Captain Benteen had not disobeyed Custer's clear order to bring more ammo quickly.

General Custer and the Little Big Horn: Setting the Record Straight

You might be right but the problem was Custer was an arrogant prick, very disliked by other commanding officers. Had he not been this way, he might have gotten help in time.

This is not an excuse for the lack of timely support by other units. His men deserved better.

 

[Deadstick]

On balance, when judged by any reasonable standard, Custer was an honorable and capable officer.

Custer's operational plan at the battle at the Little Big Horn was sound, and the battle would have ended very differently if Major Reno had not blundered by leaving the timber, if Major Reno had not shamefully dallied on Reno Hill, and if Captain Benteen had not disobeyed Custer's clear order to bring more ammo quickly.

General Custer and the Little Big Horn: Setting the Record Straight

But didn't Custer order Reno to attack the village from the South? then Reno was flanked by the braves so he couldn't have helped Custer, Reno lost half his men, i don't think he was a coward or anything like that, he had been in several civil war battles including Gettysburg.

 

[boevans]

We love "suckers" and "losers" who allow their commands to be wiped out by indigenous nations.

 

[mikegriffith1]

You might be right but the problem was Custer was an arrogant prick, very disliked by other commanding officers.

Not true. Custer was well liked by most of his fellow officers. I recommend reading T. J. Stiles' book Custer's Trials and Nathan Philbrick's book The Last Stand.

Had he not been this way, he might have gotten help in time.

That had nothing to do with it. Reno was just a coward, in addition to being a mediocre officer. Reno's brainless, fatal decision to leave the timber and move to Reno Hill was inexcusable, cost him at least 25% of his troops, and freed the Indians to focus on Custer.

Once Benteen handed Reno Custer's hand-written order on Reno Hill to quickly bring more ammo, he had a solemn duty to execute that order immediately, not stall for nearly an hour while Custer was fighting for his life.

Benteen was the real jerk in the unit, and he harbored a long-standing baseless grudge against Custer. Benteen did not just betray Custer by taking his sweet time bringing the ammo forward, he also betrayed the 200-plus men who were with Custer as well. Benteen should have arrived at Reno Hill at least 20 minutes earlier, but he moved with shameful casualness after getting Custer's order.

This is not an excuse for the lack of timely support by other units. His men deserved better.

"Other units"? The only units at the battle were part of the 7th Cavalry Regiment. The troops under Benteen and under Reno were part of the 7th Cavalry; they all belonged to Custer's regiment. When the 7th neared the area, Custer split his regiment into three sections; he gave Reno command of one battalion (three companies) and Benteen command of another battalion.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Maybe ****** should have stayed off Sioux land ?

Unkotare- get off your knees lad.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Not true. Custer was well liked by most of his fellow officers. I recommend reading T. J. Stiles' book Custer's Trials and Nathan Philbrick's book The Last Stand.



That had nothing to do with it. Reno was just a coward, in addition to being a mediocre officer. Reno's brainless, fatal decision to leave the timber and move to Reno Hill was inexcusable, cost him at least 25% of his troops, and freed the Indians to focus on Custer.

Once Benteen handed Reno Custer's hand-written order on Reno Hill to quickly bring more ammo, he had a solemn duty to execute that order immediately, not stall for nearly an hour while Custer was fighting for his life.

Benteen was the real jerk in the unit, and he harbored a long-standing baseless grudge against Custer. Benteen did not just betray Custer by taking his sweet time bringing the ammo forward, he also betrayed the 200-plus men who were with Custer as well. Benteen should have arrived at Reno Hill at least 20 minutes earlier, but he moved with shameful casualness after getting Custer's order.


"Other units"? The only units at the battle were part of the 7th Cavalry Regiment. The troops under Benteen and under Reno were part of the 7th Cavalry; they all belonged to Custer's regiment. When the 7th neared the area, Custer split his regiment into three sections; he gave Reno command of one battalion (three companies) and Benteen command of another battalion.

This is just revisionist nonsense. Custer made basic errors borne out of arrogance.

 

[boevans]

This is just revisionist nonsense. Custer made basic errors borne out of arrogance.

Tainant is right. Griffin is relying on revisionism. Custer was very arrogant,