Habits of the "rich", habits of the "poor"

[Darkwind]

I included a link for a reason. We are not the most upwardly mobile country, we rank rather poorly actually.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. In no other nation can you start out dirt poor and by the time you retire, you can be a millionaire. Wikipedia is a suspect source to begin with. I'd be more open to a real study, not accomplished by stakeholders who have an interest in the outcome being against the United States.

Then you live in a fantasy land. I'm talking about the real world.

You obviously are not if you think that Wikipedia is the source of truth. You do realize that it can be edited by anyone for any reason, right? And if the owners of the site agree with you, then they won't bother to correct inaccuracies.

There is a reason that academia will not accept Wikipedia as a source in any legitimate research.

 

[Mac1958]

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I wonder how many lives have been wasted waiting for someone else to make life "fair".

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[Darkwind]

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I wonder how many lives have been wasted waiting for someone else to make life "fair".

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Seems like a lot of them. When you wait for someone to make your life better, you're going to be waiting a long time.

How did it go?

"That's a long wait for a train that ain't never going to come". -- Serenity

 

[Katzndogz]

How many?

You asked for a reason and I gave you one. You can do some research if you want to know how many.

Your problem is you think everyone who is successful had some sort of inheritance.

That's just more excuse making.

Successful people don't make excuses.

After working two jobs, studying in every spare second and finally making it through law school, I found out that the very minute I got my diploma I became a rich legacy baby with a rich daddy to pay my way and a trust fund to set me up.

They make it up as they go along to fit the little preconceived ideas.

 

[nodoginnafight]

IMHO: Education is the key to upward mobility - not redistribution.

 

[Darkwind]

IMHO: Education is the key to upward mobility - not redistribution.

Always. But this isn't even about upward mobility.

Its about what works in life and what doesn't. We don't even have to be talking about income or a successful career.

Its about attitude and priorities. This is about learning what works in the world and then applying that to your own personal life.

If a person does X everyday, and that helps or leads to some mental serenity, why would someone argue that this person just inherited that serenity?

If a person makes it a habit to get up an hour early to exercise so that they can have more free time after work to network and make connections that will or could lead to better job opportunities, why would ANYONE argue that is not the right thing to do?

I simply don't get the entire push back. Agenda's aside. If it is proven to work, regardless of your outlook in life, then more people should try and do the same thing.

I'll say something else. If people make a habit of positive attitude and motivation, it improves their outlook on life and enhances their own success. When you are content and motivated to better yourself, however the means, then you don't need anyone else to have a better life.

Maybe that is what they fear. No need for government to make us happy. That is a loss of power.

 

[Mac1958]

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While education is certainly critical, it goes even deeper than that. It's cultural.

The Left has convinced more and more people that it's all hopeless, that only government can make life "fair", that hard work and sacrifice don't matter.

What a horrible waste of lives.

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[nodoginnafight]

IMHO: Education is the key to upward mobility - not redistribution.

Always. But this isn't even about upward mobility.

Its about what works in life and what doesn't. We don't even have to be talking about income or a successful career.

Its about attitude and priorities. This is about learning what works in the world and then applying that to your own personal life.

If a person does X everyday, and that helps or leads to some mental serenity, why would someone argue that this person just inherited that serenity?

If a person makes it a habit to get up an hour early to exercise so that they can have more free time after work to network and make connections that will or could lead to better job opportunities, why would ANYONE argue that is not the right thing to do?

I simply don't get the entire push back. Agenda's aside. If it is proven to work, regardless of your outlook in life, then more people should try and do the same thing.

Well, if financial success is your goal - then sure, you learn that path and pursue it.
If you'd rather make family your priority, or if your recreational hobbies are your true passion, or whatever ... I'm still for intelligently pursuing your passion.

 

[Brain357]

IMHO: Education is the key to upward mobility - not redistribution.

I don't disagree, but who is more likely to go to the expensive colleges?

 

[Brain357]

Sorry, but I don't buy it. In no other nation can you start out dirt poor and by the time you retire, you can be a millionaire. Wikipedia is a suspect source to begin with. I'd be more open to a real study, not accomplished by stakeholders who have an interest in the outcome being against the United States.

Then you live in a fantasy land. I'm talking about the real world.

You obviously are not if you think that Wikipedia is the source of truth. You do realize that it can be edited by anyone for any reason, right? And if the owners of the site agree with you, then they won't bother to correct inaccuracies.

There is a reason that academia will not accept Wikipedia as a source in any legitimate research.

There are many studies that say it.

 

[nodoginnafight]

IMHO: Education is the key to upward mobility - not redistribution.

I don't disagree, but who is more likely to go to the expensive colleges?

I'm not saying that everyone has a completely level playing field.
I'm saying that if you want to address it, tax policy is not the way imho. That's the place to address funding government imho.

Diversifying and expanding access to a top-notch education (and to me, that doesn't necessarily mean more expensive) is the key.

 

[Brain357]

IMHO: Education is the key to upward mobility - not redistribution.

I don't disagree, but who is more likely to go to the expensive colleges?

I'm not saying that everyone has a completely level playing field.
I'm saying that if you want to address it, tax policy is not the way imho. That's the place to address funding government imho.

Diversifying and expanding access to a top-notch education (and to me, that doesn't necessarily mean more expensive) is the key.

I don't think you can ever create a completely level playing field. I could do everything exactly as a Koch brother, but without inheriting a business I will not be near as successful.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I don't disagree, but who is more likely to go to the expensive colleges?

I'm not saying that everyone has a completely level playing field.
I'm saying that if you want to address it, tax policy is not the way imho. That's the place to address funding government imho.

Diversifying and expanding access to a top-notch education (and to me, that doesn't necessarily mean more expensive) is the key.

I don't think you can ever create a completely level playing field. I could do everything exactly as a Koch brother, but without inheriting a business I will not be near as successful.

Sure, starting your own business takes more creativity, research, and hard work than maintaining an existing business. But I think one reason people bust their hump is to provide more opportunities for their children.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You asked for a reason and I gave you one. You can do some research if you want to know how many.

Your problem is you think everyone who is successful had some sort of inheritance.

That's just more excuse making.

Successful people don't make excuses.

No I don't think that. Your problem is that your blind to the fact some people have it much easier than others. We aren't exactly the most upwardly mobile county.

Economic mobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And how does one move into a higher income bracket?

By making excuses and whining about how hard it is because they expect everything to be handed to them?

Or do they take a second job and save more so they can open a business or retire with more or improve their skill set?

Yeah some people have it easier than others so the **** what?

Some people start with shit and become wildly successful. So why don't you trumpet their successes and hold them up as role models instead of crying about some of the people who had it easy?

 

[NYcarbineer]

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While education is certainly critical, it goes even deeper than that. It's cultural.

The Left has convinced more and more people that it's all hopeless, that only government can make life "fair", that hard work and sacrifice don't matter.

What a horrible waste of lives.

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Who on the left has ever said all of that? Post a quote.

 

[nodoginnafight]

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While education is certainly critical, it goes even deeper than that. It's cultural.

The Left has convinced more and more people that it's all hopeless, that only government can make life "fair", that hard work and sacrifice don't matter.

What a horrible waste of lives.

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Who on the left has ever said all of that? Post a quote.

Hyper-partisans just have a vested interest in turning everything into a partisan issue/dig.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Your problem is you think everyone who is successful had some sort of inheritance.

That's just more excuse making.

Successful people don't make excuses.

No I don't think that. Your problem is that your blind to the fact some people have it much easier than others. We aren't exactly the most upwardly mobile county.

Economic mobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are the most upwardly mobile country in the world. .

Not true.

•Father is in the BOTTOM 20%: The upward mobility of sons is much less likely in the US. In the US, 42% of sons stay in the bottom 20%.

Moreover 66% (or two-thirds) of all sons remain within the bottom 40% of all earners. Outside the US the comparable proportion who remain in the bottom 40% of all earners are: UK (53%), Sweden (50%), Norway (51%), Finland (51%), and Denmark (47%).

Put another way, in the US a son whose father was in the bottom 20% of all earners has only a 1 in 3 chance of ending up in the top 60%. His odds of ending up in the top 60% would be much higher in Sweden (1 in 2).

Prosperity & Upward Mobility by Country

 

[Brain357]

Your problem is you think everyone who is successful had some sort of inheritance.

That's just more excuse making.

Successful people don't make excuses.

No I don't think that. Your problem is that your blind to the fact some people have it much easier than others. We aren't exactly the most upwardly mobile county.

Economic mobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And how does one move into a higher income bracket?

By making excuses and whining about how hard it is because they expect everything to be handed to them?

Or do they take a second job and save more so they can open a business or retire with more or improve their skill set?

Yeah some people have it easier than others so the **** what?

Some people start with shit and become wildly successful. So why don't you trumpet their successes and hold them up as role models instead of crying about some of the people who had it easy?

I've pointed out that some people have it easier than others. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions.

 

[Plasmaball]

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While education is certainly critical, it goes even deeper than that. It's cultural.

The Left has convinced more and more people that it's all hopeless, that only government can make life "fair", that hard work and sacrifice don't matter.

What a horrible waste of lives.

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No they havent...the right likes to beat babies...see I can make up lies as well.

 

[Plasmaball]

We all have the same number of hours in a given week.

Tell me why do some people with a job and 2 kids have the time to make themselves more successful and others don't?

No idea...I'm sure a whole host of reasons.

Poor people lack organizational skills?

Im sure some do but then so do rich people..