Habits of the "rich", habits of the "poor"

[Skull Pilot]

No I don't think that. Your problem is that your blind to the fact some people have it much easier than others. We aren't exactly the most upwardly mobile county.

Economic mobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are the most upwardly mobile country in the world. .

Not true.

•Father is in the BOTTOM 20%: The upward mobility of sons is much less likely in the US. In the US, 42% of sons stay in the bottom 20%.

Moreover 66% (or two-thirds) of all sons remain within the bottom 40% of all earners. Outside the US the comparable proportion who remain in the bottom 40% of all earners are: UK (53%), Sweden (50%), Norway (51%), Finland (51%), and Denmark (47%).

Put another way, in the US a son whose father was in the bottom 20% of all earners has only a 1 in 3 chance of ending up in the top 60%. His odds of ending up in the top 60% would be much higher in Sweden (1 in 2).

Prosperity & Upward Mobility by Country

Just because people choose to stay where they are does not mean they can't move up.

The problem is they don't want to.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No I don't think that. Your problem is that your blind to the fact some people have it much easier than others. We aren't exactly the most upwardly mobile county.

Economic mobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And how does one move into a higher income bracket?

By making excuses and whining about how hard it is because they expect everything to be handed to them?

Or do they take a second job and save more so they can open a business or retire with more or improve their skill set?

Yeah some people have it easier than others so the **** what?

Some people start with shit and become wildly successful. So why don't you trumpet their successes and hold them up as role models instead of crying about some of the people who had it easy?

I've pointed out that some people have it easier than others. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions.

That's all you can say?

Some people have it easier than others.

BOO ******* HOO

Stop whining.

 

[Mac1958]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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[nodoginnafight]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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Who said:

“The best way to not feel hopeless is to get up and do something.”

“The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends - honesty and hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism - these things are old. These things are true.”

“There is no excuse for not trying.”

“We have the chance to get an education, and work hard, and give our children a better life.”

 

[Pheonixops]

No actually I'm pretty successful. I just see these questions as the joke they are.

One of those two sentences is a lie. A successful person knows what it takes.

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Those things are what it takes? Getting up 3 hours before work? Sorry I don't waste my whole morning sitting around, I get to work. I don't waste time networking on Facebook either.

I wake up at 4:45am Mon-Fri, take my dog for a run for an hour, come back and start the coffee, lay back down with my wife for 10 minutes, get up make coffee, S,S, & S, check on the news, and we head off for work. I start @ 8am. In my opinion, it's a great way to start the day and I am wide awake and sharp hours before I start working.

 

[Mac1958]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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Who said:

“The best way to not feel hopeless is to get up and do something.”

“The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends - honesty and hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism - these things are old. These things are true.”

“There is no excuse for not trying.”

“We have the chance to get an education, and work hard, and give our children a better life.”

Couldn't tell you, but since you ask I'll assume it was a liberal. Perhaps Obama. Since liberals so rarely say things like that I can't place it.

I think this post is #146 in this thread. Look back. How many liberals have extolled the virtues of hard work, sacrifice, extra effort?

Hint: You won't even need one hand to count 'em.

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[JoeB131]

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Excuse after excuse after excuse.

Yes, putting out extra effort can be hard.

I can't believe I had to say that.

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NOthing wrong with putting out an extra effort.

It's screwing over the people who do the actual work most of us have a problem with.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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Excuse after excuse after excuse.

Yes, putting out extra effort can be hard.

I can't believe I had to say that.

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NOthing wrong with putting out an extra effort.

It's screwing over the people who do the actual work most of us have a problem with.

JoeB, not an American, tells us about the US economy

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

 

[JoeB131]

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Excuse after excuse after excuse.

Yes, putting out extra effort can be hard.

I can't believe I had to say that.

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NOthing wrong with putting out an extra effort.

It's screwing over the people who do the actual work most of us have a problem with.

JoeB, not an American, tells us about the US economy

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Guy, the rest of the world already had this discussion.

 

[JoeB131]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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Again, given how much the Right hates the working man, being for free trade, union busting, right to work, at will employment and never raising the minimum wage, i think most working folks know who is on their side.

If "I got mine, **** you" was such a winner, you wingnuts would spend so much time on the God, Guns and Gays bullshit trying to fool people.

 

[JFK_USA]

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I'm told regularly that "the rich" just got lucky and didn't deserve that and stole that from someone and didn't earn that and didn't build that 'n stuff, but to no surprise, they're also just trying harder.

Percentage of people who wake up at least 3 hours before work:
Rich: 44%
Poor: 3%

Percentage of people who are focused on accomplishing some single goal:
Rich: 80%
Poor: 12%

Percentage of people who write down their goals:
Rich: 67%
Poor: 17%

Percentage of people who maintain a To Do list:
Rich: 81%
Poor: 19%

Percentage of people who network five or more hours each month:
Rich: 79%
Poor: 16%

And my personal favorite:

Percentage of people who read at least 30 minutes or more daily for education or career reasons:
Rich: 88%
Poor: 2%

But I'm sure that's all just coincidence.



Source: Rich Habits, The Daily Success Habits of Wealthy Individuals. Thomas Corley, 2010.
Rich Habits - The Daily Success Habits of Wealthy Individuals: Thomas C. Corley: 9781934938935: Amazon.com: Books

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Some of that is due to opportunity. Many of those people in the rich have more opportunities to network due to the resources available to them. Poor people don't.

Also, some of those in the "rich" want to keep people that are poor away from those opportunities for networking which is socioeconomic discrimination.

Can a poor person buy all those books and educational materials when they can barely pay rent and food?

That's the issue here. You assume that all poor people are stupid yet you forget that they don't have the opportunities that those in the upper middle and rich have. Usually poor education, lack of libraries, food deserts with a lack of good, healthy choices. All of that contributes to their demise.

Poverty is a vicious cycle that sometimes is out of a person's control. They might want to go back to school because they have a dream of owning their own business, but have to make a choice between rent or a seat deposit. Or they have to work instead of studying all the time so they can eat. It's not because they are stupid or lazy.

People in poverty should keep a "To-do" list and write down their goals. That's something everyone can do but to assume the poor and the rich have the same access and opportunities is ignorant.

Incredible.

Books? How about going online? There is so much good free material online that you could never get through it all. EVER. How you ever heard of the freaking LIBRARY? Holy crap, what a ******* ridiculous statement.

Networking? Do you know what that word even means? Anyone can network. Join a non-profit organization and you're on your way.

You're just looking for excuses.

Which is another thing successful people choose not to do.

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In many republican states, they cut funding to libraries so then libraries have to cut their hours. Not to mention education in poor areas is very poor (pun intended).

Not to mention connections are very important. And it's not only those connections but what those connections think about you. There are plenty of examples of people who work hard but are past up for promotions because the bosses don't like where they are from or even because of their gender or race.

Things aren't equal in this country. If you are poor, your margin of error is extremely slim but as you see with that white rich kid in Dallas, you can kill 4 people while drunk, never go to jail, and just move to California to go to a "treatment program" which is a resort and then still have a great chance at a successful life. That's the issue here. It's how people like you view everyone in a certain class as all good or
all bad.

 

[Mac1958]

In many republican states, they cut funding to libraries so then libraries have to cut their hours. Not to mention education in poor areas is very poor (pun intended).

Not to mention connections are very important. And it's not only those connections but what those connections think about you. There are plenty of examples of people who work hard but are past up for promotions because the bosses don't like where they are from or even because of their gender or race.

Just stunning.

So funding to libraries has been cut, just forget about reading anything to improve your life. I have to admit, that one dang near knocked me over.

And how in the world do you think you GET connections? Through smart networking. And networking can and should be done OUTSIDE of work. You really don't know that?

Holy crap, the list of excuses on this thread has been staggering.

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[Mac1958]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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Again, given how much the Right hates the working man, being for free trade, union busting, right to work, at will employment and never raising the minimum wage, i think most working folks know who is on their side.

If "I got mine, **** you" was such a winner, you wingnuts would spend so much time on the God, Guns and Gays bullshit trying to fool people.

Joe, I have to admit, I've been a little disappointed by your lack of participation in this thread.

If anyone can provide a shining example of who the successful jump over by putting out some extra effort, it's you.



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[Not2BSubjugated]

No actually I'm pretty successful. I just see these questions as the joke they are.

One of those two sentences is a lie. A successful person knows what it takes.

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Those things are what it takes? Getting up 3 hours before work? Sorry I don't waste my whole morning sitting around, I get to work. I don't waste time networking on Facebook either.

Wow, so waking up 3 hours before work implies not going in until noon and spending those 3 hours sitting around doing nothing?

Find me -those- stats, genius.

I wanna see what percentage of small business owners don't go into work until noon and spend their mornings watching Sports Center, and what percentage of those dipshits are actually successful owner/operators.

I get that you lefties hate the rich and love the worker, but assuming that anybody who's successful is lazy and lucky and anyone who's unsuccessful is a hard worker who's getting fucked by the lazy rich? That requires more faith than I've ever had.

 

[Plasmaball]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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Lol......Oh man...because you know the right is totally about these things......
Bwahahahahahahahhahahhahahhahaa seriously who are you fooling with this i play the middle shit.

 

[Brain357]

One of those two sentences is a lie. A successful person knows what it takes.

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Those things are what it takes? Getting up 3 hours before work? Sorry I don't waste my whole morning sitting around, I get to work. I don't waste time networking on Facebook either.

Wow, so waking up 3 hours before work implies not going in until noon and spending those 3 hours sitting around doing nothing?

Find me -those- stats, genius.

I wanna see what percentage of small business owners don't go into work until noon and spend their mornings watching Sports Center, and what percentage of those dipshits are actually successful owner/operators.

I get that you lefties hate the rich and love the worker, but assuming that anybody who's successful is lazy and lucky and anyone who's unsuccessful is a hard worker who's getting fucked by the lazy rich? That requires more faith than I've ever had.

Show me stats that say they don't.

 

[Brain357]

And how does one move into a higher income bracket?

By making excuses and whining about how hard it is because they expect everything to be handed to them?

Or do they take a second job and save more so they can open a business or retire with more or improve their skill set?

Yeah some people have it easier than others so the **** what?

Some people start with shit and become wildly successful. So why don't you trumpet their successes and hold them up as role models instead of crying about some of the people who had it easy?

I've pointed out that some people have it easier than others. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions.

That's all you can say?

Some people have it easier than others.

BOO ******* HOO

Stop whining.

Like I said before, I'm doing quite well. I'm not whining about anything. Sorry that I proved you wrong.

 

[Plasmaball]

One of those two sentences is a lie. A successful person knows what it takes.

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Those things are what it takes? Getting up 3 hours before work? Sorry I don't waste my whole morning sitting around, I get to work. I don't waste time networking on Facebook either.

Wow, so waking up 3 hours before work implies not going in until noon and spending those 3 hours sitting around doing nothing?

Find me -those- stats, genius.

I wanna see what percentage of small business owners don't go into work until noon and spend their mornings watching Sports Center, and what percentage of those dipshits are actually successful owner/operators.

I get that you lefties hate the rich and love the worker, but assuming that anybody who's successful is lazy and lucky and anyone who's unsuccessful is a hard worker who's getting fucked by the lazy rich? That requires more faith than I've ever had.

no you dipshit, it comes down to the person period. you may have someone who runs a good business who doesnt get up till 9 am, strolls around and doesnt hit the office till noon. Others will get up at 5 am and pound the pavement so to speak. Same goes for the poorer people. All walks of life. So to take some stupid book from the Op and say its fact is wrong. Some models work where others do not.

People who are rich and poor can be lazy or not. The numbers are skewed to show Rich people are better, because thats what the author wants. Its to sell books. you really think if his book was " Poor people are less lazy than rich people, heres how you can be poor in 10 easy steps" he would be selling books?

No he wouldnt be. Seriously why the subject as a whole is ok, the OP's reference is incredibly lazy with a lazy reference to go off of.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Those things are what it takes? Getting up 3 hours before work? Sorry I don't waste my whole morning sitting around, I get to work. I don't waste time networking on Facebook either.

Wow, so waking up 3 hours before work implies not going in until noon and spending those 3 hours sitting around doing nothing?

Find me -those- stats, genius.

I wanna see what percentage of small business owners don't go into work until noon and spend their mornings watching Sports Center, and what percentage of those dipshits are actually successful owner/operators.

I get that you lefties hate the rich and love the worker, but assuming that anybody who's successful is lazy and lucky and anyone who's unsuccessful is a hard worker who's getting fucked by the lazy rich? That requires more faith than I've ever had.

Show me stats that say they don't.

Really? You're just gonna double down on that illogical level of generalization? And it's up to me to prove -your- assertion wrong when I haven't made one, other than that yours is hard to believe?

You're not real good with this logic stuff, huh?

Good debate, thanks.

 

[Brain357]

Wow, so waking up 3 hours before work implies not going in until noon and spending those 3 hours sitting around doing nothing?

Find me -those- stats, genius.

I wanna see what percentage of small business owners don't go into work until noon and spend their mornings watching Sports Center, and what percentage of those dipshits are actually successful owner/operators.

I get that you lefties hate the rich and love the worker, but assuming that anybody who's successful is lazy and lucky and anyone who's unsuccessful is a hard worker who's getting fucked by the lazy rich? That requires more faith than I've ever had.

Show me stats that say they don't.

Really? You're just gonna double down on that illogical level of generalization? And it's up to me to prove -your- assertion wrong when I haven't made one, other than that yours is hard to believe?

You're not real good with this logic stuff, huh?

Good debate, thanks.

Based on the question we have no idea what these people are doing. Tell me how that is wrong.