Habits of the "rich", habits of the "poor"

[JFK_USA]

In many republican states, they cut funding to libraries so then libraries have to cut their hours. Not to mention education in poor areas is very poor (pun intended).

Not to mention connections are very important. And it's not only those connections but what those connections think about you. There are plenty of examples of people who work hard but are past up for promotions because the bosses don't like where they are from or even because of their gender or race.

Just stunning.

So funding to libraries has been cut, just forget about reading anything to improve your life. I have to admit, that one dang near knocked me over.

And how in the world do you think you GET connections? Through smart networking. And networking can and should be done OUTSIDE of work. You really don't know that?

Holy crap, the list of excuses on this thread has been staggering.

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Not making excuses, just stating the realities many face. That someone who isn't the right gender or right race might have to work even harder and never get the pay raise or promotion they have worked so hard for.

You believe there aren't any and that's just not true.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Those things are what it takes? Getting up 3 hours before work? Sorry I don't waste my whole morning sitting around, I get to work. I don't waste time networking on Facebook either.

Wow, so waking up 3 hours before work implies not going in until noon and spending those 3 hours sitting around doing nothing?

Find me -those- stats, genius.

I wanna see what percentage of small business owners don't go into work until noon and spend their mornings watching Sports Center, and what percentage of those dipshits are actually successful owner/operators.

I get that you lefties hate the rich and love the worker, but assuming that anybody who's successful is lazy and lucky and anyone who's unsuccessful is a hard worker who's getting fucked by the lazy rich? That requires more faith than I've ever had.

no you dipshit, it comes down to the person period. you may have someone who runs a good business who doesnt get up till 9 am, strolls around and doesnt hit the office till noon. Others will get up at 5 am and pound the pavement so to speak. Same goes for the poorer people. All walks of life. So to take some stupid book from the Op and say its fact is wrong. Some models work where others do not.

People who are rich and poor can be lazy or not. The numbers are skewed to show Rich people are better, because thats what the author wants. Its to sell books. you really think if his book was " Poor people are less lazy than rich people, heres how you can be poor in 10 easy steps" he would be selling books?

No he wouldnt be. Seriously why the subject as a whole is ok, the OP's reference is incredibly lazy with a lazy reference to go off of.

Really? You're gonna make assumptions about what I believe that actually contradict what I've said in this very thread and then, based on those assumptions, call me a dipshit? You're obviously a cool headed, logical thinker.

I haven't once taken a broad brush to this situation and said that this proves that the rich are driven and the poor are lazy. I said exactly what these numbers, despite their margin of error, imply:

That those with successful habits and lifestyles are more likely to be successful.

It's actually only the leftists who are broad brushing the argument to make out the rich to be lazy and lucky that I'm arguing against. If you're gonna tell me that successful habits aren't a factor, I'm gonna call bullshit with 100 percent confidence that I'm calling it out correctly.

Summary: I'm not saying the poor are all lazy. That would be stupid.

It is equally stupid to say the poor are all simply unlucky.

Get it? Generalizations are stupid. Take the stats for what they're worth. Admit that these are factors just as you would expect others to admit that they aren't the only factors.

 

[Brain357]

One of those two sentences is a lie. A successful person knows what it takes.

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Those things are what it takes? Getting up 3 hours before work? Sorry I don't waste my whole morning sitting around, I get to work. I don't waste time networking on Facebook either.

I wake up at 4:45am Mon-Fri, take my dog for a run for an hour, come back and start the coffee, lay back down with my wife for 10 minutes, get up make coffee, S,S, & S, check on the news, and we head off for work. I start @ 8am. In my opinion, it's a great way to start the day and I am wide awake and sharp hours before I start working.

You sound like a real go getter.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Show me stats that say they don't.

Really? You're just gonna double down on that illogical level of generalization? And it's up to me to prove -your- assertion wrong when I haven't made one, other than that yours is hard to believe?

You're not real good with this logic stuff, huh?

Good debate, thanks.

Based on the question we have no idea what these people are doing. Tell me how that is wrong.

It's not wrong to assume that all rich people aren't exercising successful habits, and it's not wrong to assume that all poor people aren't lazy. It's logical.

I'm simply saying it's stupid for you to assume that the habits and lifestyles of the motivated don't factor into success. You're implying that it's all based on luck, and that assumption is -holy shit- stupid. I don't gotta see stats to know that, I've seen plenty of real life evidence that tells me otherwise, including the difference in results that I've had -personally- when I have or haven't exercised these same sorts of successful habits.

Try getting motivated sometime and see if it doesn't make your entire life better.

 

[Brain357]

Really? You're just gonna double down on that illogical level of generalization? And it's up to me to prove -your- assertion wrong when I haven't made one, other than that yours is hard to believe?

You're not real good with this logic stuff, huh?

Good debate, thanks.

Based on the question we have no idea what these people are doing. Tell me how that is wrong.

It's not wrong to assume that all rich people aren't exercising successful habits, and it's not wrong to assume that all poor people aren't lazy. It's logical.

I'm simply saying it's stupid for you to assume that the habits and lifestyles of the motivated don't factor into success. You're implying that it's all based on luck, and that assumption is -holy shit- stupid. I don't gotta see stats to know that, I've seen plenty of real life evidence that tells me otherwise, including the difference in results that I've had -personally- when I have or haven't exercised these same sorts of successful habits.

Try getting motivated sometime and see if it doesn't make your entire life better.

My life is fine, I have plenty of motivation.

I think it's stupid to act like all poor people have to do is act like rich people and they will be successful. It's quite a bit more difficult than that depending on how little they have inherited.

 

[Ernie S.]

No idea...I'm sure a whole host of reasons.

Poor people lack organizational skills?

Im sure some do but then so do rich people..

Of course, but rich people that lack organizational skills take steps to make up for what they lack. I lack organizational skills myself but have a partner that is top shelf. He lacks in mechanical aptitude and I excel there. Neither of us could run our business without the other, but as a team, we do pretty well.

 

[Ernie S.]

We are the most upwardly mobile country in the world. .

Not true.

•Father is in the BOTTOM 20%: The upward mobility of sons is much less likely in the US. In the US, 42% of sons stay in the bottom 20%.

Moreover 66% (or two-thirds) of all sons remain within the bottom 40% of all earners. Outside the US the comparable proportion who remain in the bottom 40% of all earners are: UK (53%), Sweden (50%), Norway (51%), Finland (51%), and Denmark (47%).

Put another way, in the US a son whose father was in the bottom 20% of all earners has only a 1 in 3 chance of ending up in the top 60%. His odds of ending up in the top 60% would be much higher in Sweden (1 in 2).

Prosperity & Upward Mobility by Country

Just because people choose to stay where they are does not mean they can't move up.

The problem is they don't want to.

One word: Demographics. Compare.

 

[Ernie S.]

NOthing wrong with putting out an extra effort.

It's screwing over the people who do the actual work most of us have a problem with.

JoeB, not an American, tells us about the US economy

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Guy, the rest of the world already had this discussion.

Yes they did and they all agreed that you're an idiot.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Not true.

•Father is in the BOTTOM 20%: The upward mobility of sons is much less likely in the US. In the US, 42% of sons stay in the bottom 20%.

Moreover 66% (or two-thirds) of all sons remain within the bottom 40% of all earners. Outside the US the comparable proportion who remain in the bottom 40% of all earners are: UK (53%), Sweden (50%), Norway (51%), Finland (51%), and Denmark (47%).

Put another way, in the US a son whose father was in the bottom 20% of all earners has only a 1 in 3 chance of ending up in the top 60%. His odds of ending up in the top 60% would be much higher in Sweden (1 in 2).

Prosperity & Upward Mobility by Country

Just because people choose to stay where they are does not mean they can't move up.

The problem is they don't want to.

One word: Demographics. Compare.

Demographics do not take choice into account do they?

 

[Skull Pilot]

In many republican states, they cut funding to libraries so then libraries have to cut their hours. Not to mention education in poor areas is very poor (pun intended).

Not to mention connections are very important. And it's not only those connections but what those connections think about you. There are plenty of examples of people who work hard but are past up for promotions because the bosses don't like where they are from or even because of their gender or race.

Just stunning.

So funding to libraries has been cut, just forget about reading anything to improve your life. I have to admit, that one dang near knocked me over.

And how in the world do you think you GET connections? Through smart networking. And networking can and should be done OUTSIDE of work. You really don't know that?

Holy crap, the list of excuses on this thread has been staggering.

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Not making excuses, just stating the realities many face. That someone who isn't the right gender or right race might have to work even harder and never get the pay raise or promotion they have worked so hard for.

You believe there aren't any and that's just not true.

You're thinking inside the get a job and work for someone else box.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Based on the question we have no idea what these people are doing. Tell me how that is wrong.

It's not wrong to assume that all rich people aren't exercising successful habits, and it's not wrong to assume that all poor people aren't lazy. It's logical.

I'm simply saying it's stupid for you to assume that the habits and lifestyles of the motivated don't factor into success. You're implying that it's all based on luck, and that assumption is -holy shit- stupid. I don't gotta see stats to know that, I've seen plenty of real life evidence that tells me otherwise, including the difference in results that I've had -personally- when I have or haven't exercised these same sorts of successful habits.

Try getting motivated sometime and see if it doesn't make your entire life better.

My life is fine, I have plenty of motivation.

I think it's stupid to act like all poor people have to do is act like rich people and they will be successful. It's quite a bit more difficult than that depending on how little they have inherited.

So how did those who inherited nothing and still became successful do it?

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Based on the question we have no idea what these people are doing. Tell me how that is wrong.

It's not wrong to assume that all rich people aren't exercising successful habits, and it's not wrong to assume that all poor people aren't lazy. It's logical.

I'm simply saying it's stupid for you to assume that the habits and lifestyles of the motivated don't factor into success. You're implying that it's all based on luck, and that assumption is -holy shit- stupid. I don't gotta see stats to know that, I've seen plenty of real life evidence that tells me otherwise, including the difference in results that I've had -personally- when I have or haven't exercised these same sorts of successful habits.

Try getting motivated sometime and see if it doesn't make your entire life better.

My life is fine, I have plenty of motivation.

I think it's stupid to act like all poor people have to do is act like rich people and they will be successful. It's quite a bit more difficult than that depending on how little they have inherited.

I agree. I didn't say they should act like rich people and they'll be successful. I'm saying that conforming to successful habits will improve pretty much anybody's outcomes.

 

[candycorn]

In life, where you end usually depends on where you start. Not always but it is true more often than not.

I wonder what (if any) statistics there were in the study that included Church Attendance or the station in life of their family when they were young.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Holy shit, our culture has gotten out of control with this OCD avoidance of offending anyone that the Democrat party currently champions.

We can't even refrain from chiding ourselves for recognizing that our efforts can affect our outcomes because we might be offending those poor people truly and faultlessly locked into their circumstances.

Someone makes the assertion that successful habits imply a better chance of success and the apologists fly angrily out of the woodwork with, "Don't forget that luck is a big factor! Don't you call poor people lazy!"

At the onset of puberty, my virgin dick wasn't -half- this sensitive. You PC police crack me up.

 

[bucs90]

I'd like to see:

Percentage of people whose parents paid their way through college
Percentage of people who inherited a good amount of money from their family
Percentage of people who had well connected family/friends to get their foot in the door

Believe it or not....there are a lot of rich people, who are only rich because they were born into the circle of well off people who have been helping them their whole lives.

 

[Mac1958]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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Lol......Oh man...because you know the right is totally about these things......
Bwahahahahahahahhahahhahahhahaa seriously who are you fooling with this i play the middle shit.

Here we go again. Never, not once, have I said that I "play the middle". I'm just as passionate about any given issue as you are. The difference between a partisan ideologue like you and me is that my opinions don't happen to simplistically, transparently, and conveniently fall in line with those of one party or the other.

I wonder if you can step outside your partisan cocoon for just a moment to understand that clear distinction. Full disclosure: I'm not holding my breath.

And I notice that you avoided my point using deflection, a standard tactic of partisan ideologues and yet another example of why you people have zero, z-e-r-o credibility.

Bwahahah.

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[JoeB131]

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They just refuse to promote the value of hard work, sacrifice, self discipline, extra effort.

When's the last time you saw a passionate defense of those characteristics from the Left?

Especially as compared to all the spin and denial.

They've made my point FOR me.

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Again, given how much the Right hates the working man, being for free trade, union busting, right to work, at will employment and never raising the minimum wage, i think most working folks know who is on their side.

If "I got mine, **** you" was such a winner, you wingnuts would spend so much time on the God, Guns and Gays bullshit trying to fool people.

Joe, I have to admit, I've been a little disappointed by your lack of participation in this thread.

If anyone can provide a shining example of who the successful jump over by putting out some extra effort, it's you.



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Oh, guy, the argument isn't about me.

It's about how you want to make greed and selfishiness into virtues.

They aren't.

So you sit there scratching your head wondering why all the people who got screwed by the 1%ers aren't putting up with their shit, except for the shitheads who are horrified that there's a Negro in the White House.

The democrats are going to run a white person in 2016, and they you guys are going to be really screwed.

 

[JoeB131]

I'd like to see:

Percentage of people whose parents paid their way through college
Percentage of people who inherited a good amount of money from their family
Percentage of people who had well connected family/friends to get their foot in the door

Believe it or not....there are a lot of rich people, who are only rich because they were born into the circle of well off people who have been helping them their whole lives.

Exactly. Mac strikes me as the kind of guy who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.

 

[Mac1958]

Again, given how much the Right hates the working man, being for free trade, union busting, right to work, at will employment and never raising the minimum wage, i think most working folks know who is on their side.

If "I got mine, **** you" was such a winner, you wingnuts would spend so much time on the God, Guns and Gays bullshit trying to fool people.

Joe, I have to admit, I've been a little disappointed by your lack of participation in this thread.

If anyone can provide a shining example of who the successful jump over by putting out some extra effort, it's you.



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Oh, guy, the argument isn't about me.

It's about how you want to make greed and selfishiness into virtues.

They aren't.

So you sit there scratching your head wondering why all the people who got screwed by the 1%ers aren't putting up with their shit, except for the shitheads who are horrified that there's a Negro in the White House.

The democrats are going to run a white person in 2016, and they you guys are going to be really screwed.

And right to skin color we go!

Well done, Joe, I can always count on you.



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[Skull Pilot]

I'd like to see:

Percentage of people whose parents paid their way through college
Percentage of people who inherited a good amount of money from their family
Percentage of people who had well connected family/friends to get their foot in the door

Believe it or not....there are a lot of rich people, who are only rich because they were born into the circle of well off people who have been helping them their whole lives.

Believe it or not there are a lot of people who started out with nothing and still became wildly successful.