Guns in America vol MMXIXWTF: Woman Shot in Own Driveway

[Crixus]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Having lived in Texas for many years, I can tell you Texas doesn’t have a gun problem, it has a Latino thug problem.

Build the wall and deport the illegals, and 90% of these types of crimes go away.

So those involved were illegals?

In that area, yes. It’s very likely.

 

[Crixus]

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

You are a liar and a piece of shit. You almost come off as another JoeB sock. Your first lie, no one condoned that guy running tat woman down. The only ones who loved it were people like you. You get wood when that shot happens because you can come on here and get little rep points for wise cracks. You pulled a headline so you can get attention. You are glad this woman was shot. You get hard when a highs school or night club gets shot up. Dead kids mean lots of “thank you” clicks on USMB. You are pretty sad. Maybe go get some sun light on your face and you won’t need to hang out on the web for attention?

 

[Picaro]

Evidentially somebody wanted to do her harm. Too many of those shitheads in our country.

She should have been armed herself. The police sure as hell didn't protect her.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because the answer to guns is "more guns".

In her own driveway, at seven in the morning.

Dystopian wacko.

Hey.....doofus....please explain how it is that as more Americans not only own guns but carry them....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%.....? How did that happen? You dumb ass.....

Your little meme is both inaccurate and is really ******* stupid as the facts, the truth and the reality show you have no idea what you are talking about..

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

Do you ever take your head out of your ass?

No, he/she/it/mutant doesn't, not ever.

 

[Crixus]

I have 5 firearms, and when Hillary sends an Abrams tank to take them away from me, I am going to fight it of with my 38 Special revolver!

No you won’t. You will stand in line with all the other law abiding citizens and hand them in so you don’t have guys in an M-1 abrams tank come collect them.

 

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo...

 

[Picaro]

The problem is this Nation’s propensity for violence, that violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – got a beef with someone, settle it with violence.

Yup

The "nation" doesn't have a propensity for violence. Certain "cultures" within the nation do. It ain't the white "European."

Which gender would that be?

Black male, followed by the uppity black female followed by the illegal alien

Incorrect.

Domestic violence crimes of assault/battery are the leading violent crimes committed without even taking into consideration when they lead to murder of the perpetrator's significant other and/or their children or to the murder suicide of both or all.

U.S. State Crime Rates - Comparing Types of Crimes Across the States

Black and brown people commit the majority of violent crime in this country. You think we should be doing sweeps of minority households and confiscating their guns first? that will save more black women and children's lives than any other action.

 

[Pogo]

Evidentially somebody wanted to do her harm. Too many of those shitheads in our country.

She should have been armed herself. The police sure as hell didn't protect her.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because the answer to guns is "more guns".

In her own driveway, at seven in the morning.

Dystopian wacko.

Hey.....doofus....please explain how it is that as more Americans not only own guns but carry them....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%.....? How did that happen? You dumb ass.....

Your little meme is both inaccurate and is really ******* stupid as the facts, the truth and the reality show you have no idea what you are talking about..

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

I love when Pogo gets really worked up and starts kicking the gun nuts around.

That was the hot issue when I came to this site, looking for a better venue to express than sports boards.... it was right after the Bob Costas Monday Night Football commentary about gun culture following the big event of that week when a football player (Jovan Belcher) had shot and killed his wife leaving an infant daughter, then drove to his camp, thanked his coaches and put a bullet through his own head. Costas' commentary was, and still is, characterized as a "gun control rant" even though Costas never once mentioned gun control, restrictions, laws or rights, which demonstrates the emotion-based fetish of the gun nuts. This incident came just after a Michael Dunn fired into a car over loud music and killed a passenger. There were the same element here calling for Costas to be "fired' for the commentary, which was a regular feature of the program.

That story quickly faded less than a week later when Adam Lanza grabbed his mothers AR, killed her in her bed and then broke into a school to shoot 20 kids and six adults and then himself. Ten days after that on Christmas Eve , William Spengler in upstate New York called in a fake fire call and then started picking off firefighters as they arrived. These incidents took place in Jacksonville Florida, Kansas City, Newtown Connecticut and Webster New York, "none of which have gun problems", and all of which are parts of the US, which "doesn't have a gun problem".

Gun violence became the hot current topic here and in the media, which is remarkable for a land with "no gun problem". David Gregory and Piers Morgan were among those holding interviews and theme shows on the topic. The buzz on these pages was that Piers Morgan "should be deported", David Gregory "should be arrested", of course Bob Costas already "should be fired", and anybody who drew attention to the gun problem we "don't have" should just shut the **** up. This site had a system of negative reputation ('neg rep') posters could give each other, I of course got barraged by the same element out of the same mentality of "shut the **** up". And every time they did that I just posted more. Because "shut up" is way below my pay grade.

 

[Picaro]

From left wing DNC rag WAHWAH Po:

New evidence confirms what gun rights advocates have said for a long time about crime

....They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa77fa97ef1a

 

[Mr Natural]

Collateral damage in the war against guns

 

[Pogo]

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

You are a liar and a piece of shit. You almost come off as another JoeB sock. Your first lie, no one condoned that guy running tat woman down. The only ones who loved it were people like you. You get wood when that shot happens because you can come on here and get little rep points for wise cracks. You pulled a headline so you can get attention. You are glad this woman was shot. You get hard when a highs school or night club gets shot up. Dead kids mean lots of “thank you” clicks on USMB. You are pretty sad. Maybe go get some sun light on your face and you won’t need to hang out on the web for attention?

Go forth and **** yourself.

You can come back when you have a legitimate argument beyond "waaah I'm butthurt" and "shut the **** up".

 

[Crixus]

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

You are a liar and a piece of shit. You almost come off as another JoeB sock. Your first lie, no one condoned that guy running tat woman down. The only ones who loved it were people like you. You get wood when that shot happens because you can come on here and get little rep points for wise cracks. You pulled a headline so you can get attention. You are glad this woman was shot. You get hard when a highs school or night club gets shot up. Dead kids mean lots of “thank you” clicks on USMB. You are pretty sad. Maybe go get some sun light on your face and you won’t need to hang out on the web for attention?

Go forth and **** yourself.

I thanked that for you.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I have 5 firearms, and when Hillary sends an Abrams tank to take them away from me, I am going to fight it of with my 38 Special revolver!

No you won’t. You will stand in line with all the other law abiding citizens and hand them in so you don’t have guys in an M-1 abrams tank come collect them.

I have it on good authority that Hillary is on her way to your house right now!

 

[OldLady]

Evidentially somebody wanted to do her harm. Too many of those shitheads in our country.

She should have been armed herself. The police sure as hell didn't protect her.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because the answer to guns is "more guns".

In her own driveway, at seven in the morning.

Dystopian wacko.

Hey.....doofus....please explain how it is that as more Americans not only own guns but carry them....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%.....? How did that happen? You dumb ass.....

Your little meme is both inaccurate and is really ******* stupid as the facts, the truth and the reality show you have no idea what you are talking about..

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

I love when Pogo gets really worked up and starts kicking the gun nuts around.

That was the hot issue when I came to this site, looking for a better venue to express than sports boards.... it was right after the Bob Costas Monday Night Football commentary about gun culture following the big event of that week when a football player (Jovan Belcher) had shot and killed his wife leaving an infant daughter, then drove to his camp, thanked his coaches and put a bullet through his own head. Costas' commentary was, and still is, characterized as a "gun control rant" even though Costas never once mentioned gun control, restrictions, laws or rights, which demonstrates the emotion-based fetish of the gun nuts. This incident came just after a Michael Dunn fired into a car over loud music and killed a passenger. There were the same element here calling for Costas to be "fired' for the commentary, which was a regular feature of the program.

That story quickly faded less than a week later when Adam Lanza grabbed his mothers AR, killed her in her bed and then broke into a school to shoot 20 kids and six adults and then himself. Ten days after that on Christmas Eve , William Spengler in upstate New York called in a fake fire call and then started picking off firefighters as they arrived. These incidents took place in Jacksonville Florida, Kansas City, Newtown Connecticut and Webster New York, "none of which have gun problems", and all of which are parts of the US, which "doesn't have a gun problem".

Gun violence became the hot current topic here and in the media, which is remarkable for a land with "no gun problem". David Gregory and Piers Morgan were among those holding interviews and theme shows on the topic. The buzz on these pages was that Piers Morgan "should be deported", David Gregory "should be arrested", of course Bob Costas already "should be fired", and anybody who drew attention to the gun problem we "don't have" should just shut the **** up. This site had a system of negative reputation ('neg rep') posters could give each other, I of course got barraged by the same element out of the same mentality of "shut the **** up". And every time they did that I just posted more. Because "shut up" is way below my pay grade.

That is the topic that brought me here, too.
Spengler lived just down the street from where I spent an idyllic childhood, btw.

Never shut up. I've pretty much run out of things to say--I've said everything I can think of a hundred times and I've read the same responses over and over. Nothing much ever changes. If Newtown didn't make people think, nothing ever will. But never shut up, Pogo.

 

[Pogo]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because the answer to guns is "more guns".

In her own driveway, at seven in the morning.

Dystopian wacko.

Hey.....doofus....please explain how it is that as more Americans not only own guns but carry them....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%.....? How did that happen? You dumb ass.....

Your little meme is both inaccurate and is really ******* stupid as the facts, the truth and the reality show you have no idea what you are talking about..

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

I love when Pogo gets really worked up and starts kicking the gun nuts around.

That was the hot issue when I came to this site, looking for a better venue to express than sports boards.... it was right after the Bob Costas Monday Night Football commentary about gun culture following the big event of that week when a football player (Jovan Belcher) had shot and killed his wife leaving an infant daughter, then drove to his camp, thanked his coaches and put a bullet through his own head. Costas' commentary was, and still is, characterized as a "gun control rant" even though Costas never once mentioned gun control, restrictions, laws or rights, which demonstrates the emotion-based fetish of the gun nuts. This incident came just after a Michael Dunn fired into a car over loud music and killed a passenger. There were the same element here calling for Costas to be "fired' for the commentary, which was a regular feature of the program.

That story quickly faded less than a week later when Adam Lanza grabbed his mothers AR, killed her in her bed and then broke into a school to shoot 20 kids and six adults and then himself. Ten days after that on Christmas Eve , William Spengler in upstate New York called in a fake fire call and then started picking off firefighters as they arrived. These incidents took place in Jacksonville Florida, Kansas City, Newtown Connecticut and Webster New York, "none of which have gun problems", and all of which are parts of the US, which "doesn't have a gun problem".

Gun violence became the hot current topic here and in the media, which is remarkable for a land with "no gun problem". David Gregory and Piers Morgan were among those holding interviews and theme shows on the topic. The buzz on these pages was that Piers Morgan "should be deported", David Gregory "should be arrested", of course Bob Costas already "should be fired", and anybody who drew attention to the gun problem we "don't have" should just shut the **** up. This site had a system of negative reputation ('neg rep') posters could give each other, I of course got barraged by the same element out of the same mentality of "shut the **** up". And every time they did that I just posted more. Because "shut up" is way below my pay grade.

That is the topic that brought me here, too.
Spengler lived just down the street from where I spent an idyllic childhood, btw.

Never shut up. I've pretty much run out of things to say--I've said everything I can think of a hundred times and I've read the same responses over and over. Nothing much ever changes. If Newtown didn't make people think, nothing ever will. But never shut up, Pogo.

Sigh. Another woman telling me to never shut up. Story of my life.

 

[Crixus]

I have 5 firearms, and when Hillary sends an Abrams tank to take them away from me, I am going to fight it of with my 38 Special revolver!

No you won’t. You will stand in line with all the other law abiding citizens and hand them in so you don’t have guys in an M-1 abrams tank come collect them.

I have it on good authority that Hillary is on her way to your house right now!

SHIT! Hope I got enough food. Think Doritos and bean dip is to ghetto? To white trash? I have REAL ko-Aid to, not store brand.

 

[OldLady]

I have 5 firearms, and when Hillary sends an Abrams tank to take them away from me, I am going to fight it of with my 38 Special revolver!

No you won’t. You will stand in line with all the other law abiding citizens and hand them in so you don’t have guys in an M-1 abrams tank come collect them.

I have it on good authority that Hillary is on her way to your house right now!

SHIT! Hope I got enough food. Think Doritos and bean dip is to ghetto? To white trash? I have REAL ko-Aid to, not store brand.

There is nothing white trash about Doritos and bean dip.

They make store brand KoolAid? OMG. Last time I bought KoolAid it was 10 for a dollar. Who needs it cheaper than that?

Crixus marches into the yard with the jug of KoolAid and a bowl of Doritos and gets flattened by a heat seeking missile. Almost as fair as the Newtown shooting.

 

[Pogo]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Good Allah you are blinded by your left-wing nuttiness.

We have LAWS against murder. We have LAWS against criminals using guns in a crime.

Criminals don't obey laws.

NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Your point would be what?

 

[Pogo]

The problem is this Nation’s propensity for violence, that violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – got a beef with someone, settle it with violence.

Yup

The "nation" doesn't have a propensity for violence. Certain "cultures" within the nation do. It ain't the white "European."

Uh huh.

Whelp ---- looks like the Crow Nation in Montana is fairly safe. And Nevada as long as you're in the middle of the desert where nobody lives, but stay away from Vegas. Actually the only states I see untouched here are Alaska and Hawaìi, and that's because they're not pictured.

Tell us more about this "nation that doesn't have a propensity for gun violence" by all means.

​

Are there cultural associations? Sure, as in literally everything else. One of my supplementary links from just the index page of the same news site, just for Texas and just for the last few months, shows a pic of one of these cultures, eloquently:

​

--- Kinda recalls Dylann Roof's father, donut? But "it ain't the white European" who "doesn't have a gun problem".

Fatter o' mact as long as we're counting people's skin colors, in the 2012 cluster I just posted about three of the four perps were "white Europeans without a gun problem", the sole black guy killing two including himself, and the three white guys killing 32.

 

[Pogo]

The problem is this Nation’s propensity for violence, that violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – got a beef with someone, settle it with violence.

Yup

The "nation" doesn't have a propensity for violence. Certain "cultures" within the nation do. It ain't the white "European."

Which gender would that be?

Astute point.

We all know, irrespective of races or 'cultures' or geography, which gender commits 99% of this shit, and that's why we "don't" have a masculinity problem that creates the gun problem we "don't have either". And the denial is part of that. This is a crucial point I've posted studies about in the past such as here.

This more recent article focuses on "toxic masculinity" --- which was also the keyword in a recent Gillette PSA on these pages:

>> Of the 96 mass shootings committed since 1982, all but two were committed by men. (Most of them were white.)

Men don’t just constitute almost all mass shooters in recent history; they are also responsible for the vast majority of gun-associated deaths in the country. Men own guns at triple the rate of women in the U.S., at 62 percent compared to 22 percent—and also commit suicide at nearly triplethe rate of women. Eighty-nine percent of murder-suicides are committed by men, and most often include an unwitting female partner or ex-partner.

.... So, what’s going on? According to sociologist Eric Madfis, the male gender-mass shooter connection may stem from cultural standards of how men are expected to react to stress and perceived victimization as compared to women.

“Women tend to internalize blame and frustration, while men tend to externalize it through acts of aggression,” says Madfis, who is an associate professor at the criminal justice department at University of Washington-Tacoma and author of a 2014 journal article exploring the intersectional identities of American mass murderers.

This isn’t just because of how men are built physically. While it’s true that having higher testosterone is often related to aggression, recent research indicates that testosterone is likely a result rather than a cause of violent behavior. This suggests that societal influences probably play a larger role in violence than any biological factor. After all, our culture is saturated in messages—whether in the media, in our military, in sports, at the workplace, or in our education and health care systems—that embrace and even endorse a distorted view of masculinity, which tends to value and encourage expressions of aggression by men. Even those men who might be suffering from mental illness are unlikely to seek out counseling because it is often stigmatized as “weak” for men to seek out help and admit vulnerability. << --- Politico

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So, just as putting down the gun problem we "don't have" begins with cultural-value shift, so that in turn must begin with assessment of what gender roles mean and how to manage those roles. It might be interesting to compare how many USMB posters were crying the blues about the Gillette PSA are also gun fetishists. Connect the dots.

 

[2aguy]

The problem is this Nation’s propensity for violence, that violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – got a beef with someone, settle it with violence.

No, we have a tiny number of people out of 320 million who think this way, confined to tiny areas of cities usually controlled by the policies created and implemented by the democrat party. The democrat party believes that releasing violent, known, gun criminals back onto the streets corrects past historical wrongs.....meanwhile, those criminals go out and shoot the innocent people in those tiny areas controlled by the democrat party.

The dems are not in power there swifty..Gun violence is just a prevalent out here in the rural areas also and they are republican areas.

Wrong...

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

The entire state is red and the county I live in, gun restriction laws were relaxed starting in 2007 and now there is no restriction on carrying. Yet the gun violence has not decreased but you want to try and say that gun violence is due to Democrats and their policy. Ha!

Actual research, not you pulling thoughts out of your ass.....

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.