Guns in America vol MMXIXWTF: Woman Shot in Own Driveway

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

And pills, and hands, and bricks, and rocks, and, and...

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.
SMH

Then they would simply use a rental truck.....

I don't know why I was expecting you to say "like Timothy McVeigh"...

 

[Picaro]

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

I've never seen anyone make the claim that every single person who has access to firearms is "good person" and by good I mean an individual who would not use their firearm to unlawfully cause harm or death to another person.

What I have seen stated is that they all have the constitutional right to possess and/or carry a firearm if they are not a prohibitied person. Having said that though, I have observed far too many individuals who exhibit many if not all of the behaviors of some prohibited persons but our system helps them avoid becoming a prohibited person thereby perserving their 2nd amendment rights. One case that readily comes to mind is the guy who stabbed to death the mother of his child here in Seattle last fall. She apparantly had filed a protection order out against him but he had indicated that he was planning on killing her. This occurred the same weekend that another disturbed male with issues with women shot up a yoga studio in Florida.

I understand that criminals and those threatening to become criminals have rights too, but their rights when they obviously are unconcerned about making documented threats of harm or death, should not supercede those of their targeted victims. In my opinion, they should be deemed as having forfeited some of those rights when their victim can readily and easily show the acts of violence or death threatened.

I realize that there are a lot of defense attorneys who will not agree with me, some of whom are even friends but until people want to look this issue in the eye and deal with the core violence as opposed to reverting back to the knee-jerk reaction of classifying this as "gun violence" and capturing lawful gun owners in their dragnet then neither side is going to be able to hear what the other side is saying due to all of the shouting.

too many women lie just to cause their spouses grief is your real problem; the legal system cannot run around arresting people just on the say so of separated spouses and their buddies, and only the wealthy can afford 24/7 security guards. It's tough, but that's the way it is.

If the guy has a history of wife beating or violent criminal activity, I agree he should be locked up, but then for how long? How does one guarantee he can't ever get a firearm? The only solution to that problem is something like a witness protection program, i.e. give up all your friends, your home, etc., and disappear and start over. I wouldn't mind execution for committing domestic violence, but I'm a liberal, and we don't live in a just culture these days. Liberalism is hated by both the left and the right.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

too many women lie just to cause their spouses grief is your real problem; the legal system cannot run around arresting people just on the say so of separated spouses and their buddies, and only the wealthy can afford 24/7 security guards. It's tough, but that's the way it is.

If the guy has a history of wife beating or violent criminal activity, I agree he should be locked up, but then for how long? How does one guarantee he can't ever get a firearm? The only solution to that problem is something like a witness protection program, i.e. give up all your friends, your home, etc., and disappear and start over. I wouldn't mind execution for committing domestic violence, but I'm a liberal, and we don't live in a just culture these days. Liberalism is hated by both the left and the right.

In my opinion, I don't find the forfeiture of some rights of the perpetrator to be unreasonable in the case of repeated and willful violation of a protection order (also known in some jurisdictions as a retraining order).

Some of the plea deals that WA state makes allows offenders to maintain their 2nd amendment rights even when they've engaged in acts of domestic violence. The terms however allows them to complete a program in lieu of being saddled with a conviction.

 

[Picaro]

too many women lie just to cause their spouses grief is your real problem; the legal system cannot run around arresting people just on the say so of separated spouses and their buddies, and only the wealthy can afford 24/7 security guards. It's tough, but that's the way it is.

If the guy has a history of wife beating or violent criminal activity, I agree he should be locked up, but then for how long? How does one guarantee he can't ever get a firearm? The only solution to that problem is something like a witness protection program, i.e. give up all your friends, your home, etc., and disappear and start over. I wouldn't mind execution for committing domestic violence, but I'm a liberal, and we don't live in a just culture these days. Liberalism is hated by both the left and the right.

In my opinion, I don't find the forfeiture of some rights of the perpetrator to be unreasonable in the case of repeated and willful violation of a protection order (also known in some jurisdictions as a retraining order).

Some of the plea deals that WA state makes allows offenders to maintain their 2nd amendment rights even when they've engaged in acts of domestic violence. The terms however allows them to complete a program in lieu of being saddled with a conviction.

Homocidal people don't give a shit about restraining orders or laws in the first place. They're worthless.

 

[bodecea]

too many women lie just to cause their spouses grief is your real problem; the legal system cannot run around arresting people just on the say so of separated spouses and their buddies, and only the wealthy can afford 24/7 security guards. It's tough, but that's the way it is.

If the guy has a history of wife beating or violent criminal activity, I agree he should be locked up, but then for how long? How does one guarantee he can't ever get a firearm? The only solution to that problem is something like a witness protection program, i.e. give up all your friends, your home, etc., and disappear and start over. I wouldn't mind execution for committing domestic violence, but I'm a liberal, and we don't live in a just culture these days. Liberalism is hated by both the left and the right.

In my opinion, I don't find the forfeiture of some rights of the perpetrator to be unreasonable in the case of repeated and willful violation of a protection order (also known in some jurisdictions as a retraining order).

Some of the plea deals that WA state makes allows offenders to maintain their 2nd amendment rights even when they've engaged in acts of domestic violence. The terms however allows them to complete a program in lieu of being saddled with a conviction.

Homocidal people don't give a shit about restraining orders or laws in the first place. They're worthless.

Interesting.

 

[Dragonlady]

Woman dies after being stabbed to death by fellow motorist in Surrey

It's clear, we need to ban knives...……...

And pills, and hands, and bricks, and rocks, and, and...

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Keep the individal alive until the problem is solved, and generally speaking, you can definitely do something about someone hellbent on suicide. Friends have a daughter who was hospitalized as a teenager for severe depression and suicidal tendencies. 12 years later, she's still living, still fighting the depression, but she's better equipped to deal with it.

 

[Deno]

It's clear, we need to ban knives...……...

And pills, and hands, and bricks, and rocks, and, and...

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Keep the individal alive until the problem is solved, and generally speaking, you can definitely do something about someone hellbent on suicide. Friends have a daughter who was hospitalized as a teenager for severe depression and suicidal tendencies. 12 years later, she's still living, still fighting the depression, but she's better equipped to deal with it.

I would be willing to bet there are more depressed liberals

than there are Trump supporters………..

Depression is not a funny thing….

I had a friend at work that committed suicide.

We used to argue politics all the time…

He had some health problems along with work issues…

I wish your friends daughter well….

I will say a prayer for her tonight…

 

[Pogo]

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Except no I'm not. That post wasn't about any specific people at all. I don't think you even read the post.

 

[Pogo]

And pills, and hands, and bricks, and rocks, and, and...

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Except that without guns, suicide by cop is eliminated, as is shooting up 500 people at a concert before you shoot yourself.

Without guns, they would use bombs or other means....

43,000 people a year die in cars....

Should we outlaw them?

Those are not intentional.

DUH.

 

[Pogo]

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we doood n't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

The yard sale lady was a good person without a gun.

She made a good target.

You mean like Iraq?

 

[Deno]

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Except that without guns, suicide by cop is eliminated, as is shooting up 500 people at a concert before you shoot yourself.

Without guns, they would use bombs or other means....

43,000 people a year die in cars....

Should we outlaw them?

Those are not intentional.

DUH.

DUH...you're the tard.....

 

[Conservative65]

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Except that without guns, suicide by cop is eliminated, as is shooting up 500 people at a concert before you shoot yourself.

Without guns, they would use bombs or other means....

43,000 people a year die in cars....

Should we outlaw them?

Those are not intentional.

DUH.

So those killed by cars aren't as dead?

 

[Pogo]

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Except that without guns, suicide by cop is eliminated, as is shooting up 500 people at a concert before you shoot yourself.

Without guns, they would use bombs or other means....

43,000 people a year die in cars....

Should we outlaw them?

Those are not intentional.

DUH.

So those killed by cars aren't as dead?

No --- what they aren't is murdered.

The poster made a false comparison and it got, no pun intended, shot down.

 

[grainbely]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

This country is not armed well enough… Buy more guns and ammo

Go right ahead. Buy more.

Im a center left proponent of sensible moderate gun control. I plan to get a decent rifle and take up marksmanship, and maybe try my hand at some forms of hunting again. I already have my grandpas old 12 gauge as a sort of heirloom, and a convertible barrel training rifle/shotgun. Other than that, hoarding and infatuation of guns is a waste of time and money and problematic. For hunters, it makes sense to have a few long barrels and maybe a handgun for finishing or protecting close range while out hunting. For at risk individuals including women, high profile people, and otherwise threatened or endangered, I'm cool with well trained and accountable carrying of handguns in public and anywhere except bars and other compromised venues. For home defense especially if you are a target or live in a bad area, reasonable and secure gun ownership is good. John wick isnt coming to murder your whole family, though, so the machine gun is probably unnecessary.

I dont feel a need to carry a handgun anywhere. If I did I would put myself through extensive fire arm and conflict de-escalation training to do so. It would be immoral to risk the lives of innocent bystanders and even would be petty criminals by carrying a gun while not being exceptionally trained to use it and to interject myself into those life or death conflicts.

Lol
First off personal firearm ownership is none of your ******* business and you need need to stay out of peoples personal lives you ************.

Who are you to tell law abiding citizens anything?

If they intend to loose inaccurate rounds in public populated areas at the first sign of conflict, I absolutely have the right. Your rights stop when mine and others lives are at stake. You are immorally ignoring the livelihoods of innocent bystanders who catch bullets and PTSD from the proliferation of firearms. Conservatives need to get it in their thick skulls that there are other stake holders impacted by all of their selfish decisions.