Guns in America vol MMXIXWTF: Woman Shot in Own Driveway

[Deno]

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

So...no trials? What could be "more stupider"?

Mine was based of the fact we know they are guilty...

If there is any doubt they get a trial and then we snuff "em"

And you base your "knowing" they are guilty on.......?

Only the guilty dumbass......

You truly are an ignorant, reprehensible rightwing putz.

You are a Dip Shit without a clue.....

 

[Conservative65]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Except for the suspect, it is a polite society. Don't blame those that don't do such things when we didn't do them.

I wouldn't. I blame the gun-fetish culture and the toxic masculinity crisis. As I've said since literally the first day I got here. And before.

Interesting how you consider someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights as a fetish. Do you also consider someone have an abortion a fetish?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

 

[Pogo]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Except for the suspect, it is a polite society. Don't blame those that don't do such things when we didn't do them.

I wouldn't. I blame the gun-fetish culture and the toxic masculinity crisis. As I've said since literally the first day I got here. And before.

Interesting how you consider someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights as a fetish. Do you also consider someone have an abortion a fetish?

Uhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnno. Guess the word "fetish" bears explanation.

A fetish is an inanimate object held up in reverence, also known as an "idol". If a person dreams about instruments of death, collects them, fawns over them, etc etc that person can be described as having a "gun fetish". We see this displayed all over this board including right in the beginning of this thread where such fetishists, when they weren't sidetracking the topic to "Mexican gangs" and "mistresses" straightaway went on to talk shop about various versions of it. Another common fetish (in this country) is the flag, an inanimate object that actually has a national prayer to its worship forced on schoolchildren first thing in the morning. That's what "idolatry" means.

Someone having an abortion is not only not an inanimate object, but a last-ditch act taken when all else has failed, so it has neither the composition nor the worship factor.

 

[Conservative65]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Except for the suspect, it is a polite society. Don't blame those that don't do such things when we didn't do them.

I wouldn't. I blame the gun-fetish culture and the toxic masculinity crisis. As I've said since literally the first day I got here. And before.

Interesting how you consider someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights as a fetish. Do you also consider someone have an abortion a fetish?

Uhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnno. Guess the word "fetish" bears explanation.

A fetish is an inanimate object held up in reverence, also known as an "idol". If a person dreams about instruments of death, collects them, fawns over them, etc etc that person can be described as having a "gun fetish". We see this displayed all over this board including right in the beginning of this thread where such fetishists, when they weren't sidetracking the topic to "Mexican gangs" and "mistresses" straightaway went on to talk shop about various versions of it. Another common fetish (in this country) is the flag, an inanimate object that actually has a national prayer to its worship forced on schoolchildren first thing in the morning. That's what "idolatry" means.

Someone having an abortion is not only not an inanimate object, but a last-ditch act taken when all else has failed, so it has neither the composition nor the worship factor.

Nice attempt to justify a bunch of nonsense. The only hope I can have is that when someone killing what they produced for convenience suffers the same fate as the innocent life she took. Nothing like a botched abortion for karma.

 

[2aguy]

The problem is this Nation’s propensity for violence, that violence is sanctioned as a legitimate means of conflict resolution – got a beef with someone, settle it with violence.

Yup

The "nation" doesn't have a propensity for violence. Certain "cultures" within the nation do. It ain't the white "European."

This sort of bigotry and racism common to most on the right is also a form of violence, the unwarranted hostility toward those of a difference race is far too often a motivating factor for violence.

No....gang members protecting drug turf are the primary motivating factor for violence in democrat party controlled cities..... they shoot each other and their family members, and it has nothing to do with race or bigotry...

Worth a rerun -----
"they shoot each other and their family members, and it has nothing to do with race or bigotry" ----------- and yet "political parties magically have everything to do with what happens in a ******* city". Having it both ways --- Priceless.

You are a capital MORON.

We are left to presume then that a "republican party-controlled city" (gotta go lower case so the knuckledragger can understand it), gangs would magically NOT "shoot each other" because republicans (lower case again) somehow pass laws against "shooting each other" and shit.

Like Big Bill Thompson did in Chicago. Oh wait, he didn't do that, he played footsie with Al Capone. That's why he's the last Republican mayor that city had.

I posted specific policies from democrat controlled cities that lead to more gun violence......moron. They let violent, repeat gun offenders out on bail and out of prison over and over again....

And in Chicago they are in bed with the gangs...you moron...

Again, it isn't Trash and snow...it is the policy of letting violent criminals out of jail...

Police chiefs plot new strategies against gun violence and mass shootings


Even as it is beset by gun violence, Chicago likes to claim it has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. “I laugh because that’s not true,” Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie T. Johnson said Thursday.

“For the first six months [after the law making gun possession a felony passed], we could not find a gun out on the street. But it actually takes three times for them to be treated like a felon” by Chicago’s courts, where judges and prosecutors were reducing gun charges to misdemeanors, and the word quickly spread. Soon, it was back to violent business as usual.

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance



Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.

The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)

At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”

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Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).
• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

 

[Pogo]

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

The most violent cities in Louisiana....run by democrats for decades....you doofus...their revolving door policies for violent criminal thugs drives the violence...because they need minority votes, so don't want to let charges of racism for locking up minority, violent criminals get in the way of their power.....releasing violent young males, raised without fathers due to policies you endorse......who then go out and commit violent crimes......over and over again...

Baton Rouge, Louisiana...except for 2 republicans, run by democrats since 1872.

List of mayors of Baton Rouge, Louisiana - Wikipedia

New Orleans, Louisiana......democrat mayors since 1872....

List of mayors of Baton Rouge, Louisiana - Wikipedia

Virtually ALL cities are run by Democrats, Dimwit. Except when they're Republicans running as Democrats (Ray Nagin, Frank Rizzo) or as in many places non-partisan. Big cities, small cities new cities, old cities, rich cities, poor cities, target cities and shithole cities.

None of this has anything to do with John Houser, who did his thing in Lafayette, not New Orleans, not Baton Rouge. Lafayette was, and still is, "run" by a Republican. I don't think that's significant but apparently you do so ---- own it.

Lafayette....another city run by democrats for decades.......you moron....

The chief executive of Lafayette is the city-parish president (Lafayette being the Parish seat) which is currently Joel Robideaux, a Republican since 2011 and non-affiliated before that. His predecessor was Joey Durel who held the post for twelve years --- Durel was also a Republican ---- but the elections are nonpartisan ones anyway. Matter of fact the National League of Cities tells us that over three-quarters of municipalities hold non-partisan elections including Austin, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, El Paso, Fort Worth, Jacksonville, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Memphis, Milwaukee, Nashville, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego, San Francisco, San José and Seattle. Which means, DUMBASS, that when those cities go out to elect their governments they don't elect "Democrats" or "Republicans" -- they elect PEOPLE.

They do this for the same reason I keep hammering for you childish Ass-ociation Fallacists continually wailing about "waaaah, city run by Democrats" as if it actually means something. IT DOESN'T. There is nothing "Democratic" or "Republican" or "Whig" or "right" or "left" about deciding what your trash day is or when the snowplows need to run. Each and every time you pinheads pull this shit you look even stupider than you did the previous time.

That's exactly what the last joke line in my OP of this thread refers to. That joke is on YOU. Because I could smell you coming.

Democrat policies.....

DC Won’t Allow Concealed Carry, But Takes It Easy On Armed, Violent Criminals

The problems stem from the city’s Youth Rehabilitation Act, legislation implemented in the 1980s to provide leniency to criminal offenders under the age of 22, even violent ones, with murder convictions being the only exception. It allows judges to disregard mandatory minimums meant to dissuade criminals, often to disastrous effects. The homicide rate spiked by 54 percent in the District in 2015, and 22 of the murderers were previously sentenced for crimes under the Youth Rehabilitation Act, according to an investigation by The Washington Post.

A man released on probation in 2015 under the law was involved in the July shooting death of Deeniquia Dodds, a transgender man. Just over 120 people previously sentenced under the Youth Rehabilitation Act have subsequently been convicted of murder since 2010.

“I knew they were going to let me off easy,” Tavon Pinkney, an 18-year old convicted of homicide in 2015, told The Washington Post regarding his previous sentencing under the youth law. “Nothing changed … They just gave me the Youth Act and let me go right back out there. They ain’t really care.”

Democrats in the ACLU, making Chicago streets more dangerous.....

Study: Chicago homicides spiked due to ACLU police decree

Cassell and Fowles have studied the spike of homicides in Chicago in 2016. Through multiple regression analysis and other tools, they conclude that an ACLU consent decree triggered a sharp reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department, which in turn caused homicides to spike. In other words, what Chicago police officers call the“ACLU effect” is real. That effect was more homicides and shootings.

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Detailed regression analysis of the homicide (and related shooting) data strongly supports what visual observation suggests. Using monthly data from 2012 through 2016, we are able to control for such factors as temperature, homicides in other parts of Illinois, 9-1-1 calls (as a measure of police-citizen cooperation), and arrests for various types of crimes.


Even controlling for these factors, our equations indicate that the steep decline in stop and frisks was strongly linked, at high levels of statistical significance, to the sharp increase in homicides (and other shooting crimes) in 2016.

Cassell and Fowles then searched for other possible factors that might be responsible for the Chicago homicide spike. None fit the data as well as the decline in stop and frisks.

Cassell and Fowles quantified the costs of the decline in stop and frisks in human and financial terms.


They found that, because of fewer stop and frisks in 2016, a conservative estimate is that approximately 236 additional homicides and 1115 additional shootings occurred during that year.


A reasonable estimate of the social costs associated with these additional homicides and shootings is about $1,500,000,000. And these costs are heavily concentrated in Chicago’s African-American and Hispanic communities.

More democrat party crime policy insanity....

No need for Tom Dart to be gun-shy on bail reform

Dart issued a letter Feb. 22 saying the increase in electronic monitoring assignments for individuals charged with gun crimes raises public safety concerns. The letter also announced that his office would begin an additional review of judicial orders of release, referring them back to court if individuals are deemed a security risk.

Dart wrote that since an order by Chief Judge Timothy Evans (requiring that bonds be set at amounts that defendants can afford) went into effect in September, the number of individuals facing gun charges and assigned to electronic monitoring has risen from 2 percent to 22 percent. “This population calls for additional community supervision to ensure safety,” Dart wrote.

This isn't picking up Trash, or plowing snow, you moron, the democrat party has a revolving door policy towards violent gun criminals...

Overwhelming facts are funny to the tard.

 

[Conservative65]

It is all OK. The shooter was a well organized militia.

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

 

[Pogo]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Except for the suspect, it is a polite society. Don't blame those that don't do such things when we didn't do them.

I wouldn't. I blame the gun-fetish culture and the toxic masculinity crisis. As I've said since literally the first day I got here. And before.

Interesting how you consider someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights as a fetish. Do you also consider someone have an abortion a fetish?

Uhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnno. Guess the word "fetish" bears explanation.

A fetish is an inanimate object held up in reverence, also known as an "idol". If a person dreams about instruments of death, collects them, fawns over them, etc etc that person can be described as having a "gun fetish". We see this displayed all over this board including right in the beginning of this thread where such fetishists, when they weren't sidetracking the topic to "Mexican gangs" and "mistresses" straightaway went on to talk shop about various versions of it. Another common fetish (in this country) is the flag, an inanimate object that actually has a national prayer to its worship forced on schoolchildren first thing in the morning. That's what "idolatry" means.

Someone having an abortion is not only not an inanimate object, but a last-ditch act taken when all else has failed, so it has neither the composition nor the worship factor.

Nice attempt to justify a bunch of nonsense. The only hope I can have is that when someone killing what they produced for convenience suffers the same fate as the innocent life she took. Nothing like a botched abortion for karma.

And here again, like the early posts in this thread that tried to deflect to "gangs" and "mistresses" and "what kind of Glock I have", you're trying to do the same deflection with an even more irrelevant sidetrack.

Rotsa ruck wit dat.

 

[Conservative65]

Except for the suspect, it is a polite society. Don't blame those that don't do such things when we didn't do them.

I wouldn't. I blame the gun-fetish culture and the toxic masculinity crisis. As I've said since literally the first day I got here. And before.

Interesting how you consider someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights as a fetish. Do you also consider someone have an abortion a fetish?

Uhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnno. Guess the word "fetish" bears explanation.

A fetish is an inanimate object held up in reverence, also known as an "idol". If a person dreams about instruments of death, collects them, fawns over them, etc etc that person can be described as having a "gun fetish". We see this displayed all over this board including right in the beginning of this thread where such fetishists, when they weren't sidetracking the topic to "Mexican gangs" and "mistresses" straightaway went on to talk shop about various versions of it. Another common fetish (in this country) is the flag, an inanimate object that actually has a national prayer to its worship forced on schoolchildren first thing in the morning. That's what "idolatry" means.

Someone having an abortion is not only not an inanimate object, but a last-ditch act taken when all else has failed, so it has neither the composition nor the worship factor.

Nice attempt to justify a bunch of nonsense. The only hope I can have is that when someone killing what they produced for convenience suffers the same fate as the innocent life she took. Nothing like a botched abortion for karma.

And here again, like the early posts in this thread that tried to deflect to "gangs" and "mistresses" and "what kind of Glock I have", you're trying to do the same deflection with an even more irrelevant sidetrack.

Rotsa ruck wit dat.

Don't care as long as the abortion is botched and she suffers.

 

[Aletheia4u]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

It was most likely someone that has dated her fiance' . Probably an old girlfriend of his.

 

[Dragonlady]

Woman dies after being stabbed to death by fellow motorist in Surrey

It's clear, we need to ban knives...……...

And pills, and hands, and bricks, and rocks, and, and...

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Except that without guns, suicide by cop is eliminated, as is shooting up 500 people at a concert before you shoot yourself.

 

[Pogo]

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I "grouped" no such thing. I'm simply observing that the gun culture FEEDS the gun violence problem. If we had a knife culture, combined with the masculinity crisis, then we would have a knife violence problem. If we had a culture of poison darts ---- you get the idea.

A fetish, again, involves an inanimate object. One could develop a fetish over anything --- a Glock, a Corvette, a baseball card collection, some article of clothing, etc. But only one of them is manufactured for the express purpose of killing people. So where this ultimately goes is a question of social values. This culture does not value human life; if it did, the idea of fawning over an instrument of death would be abhorrent.

Having a gun fetish doesn't mean you're going to go on a shooting spree. But it does mean the social 'doors' are wide open for it, because in this culture that's what you do with a problem ---- you shoot your way out of it.

And that ^^ is what has to change.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Except for the suspect, it is a polite society. Don't blame those that don't do such things when we didn't do them.

I wouldn't. I blame the gun-fetish culture and the toxic masculinity crisis. As I've said since literally the first day I got here. And before.

Interesting how you consider someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights as a fetish. Do you also consider someone have an abortion a fetish?

False comparison fallacy, red herring fallacy – this post is both ignorant and wrong.

The issue has nothing to do with one exercising his Second Amendment rights; indeed, seeking to end gun violence can be addressed consistent with the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment.

The fetish manifests when gunowners conflict with Second Amendment jurisprudence – maintaining such nonsense as the Second Amendment is ‘unlimited,’ that all firearm regulatory measures are ‘un-Constitutional,’ and the idiocy that is insurrectionist theory.

 

[Pogo]

I wouldn't. I blame the gun-fetish culture and the toxic masculinity crisis. As I've said since literally the first day I got here. And before.

Interesting how you consider someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights as a fetish. Do you also consider someone have an abortion a fetish?

Uhhhhhh nnnnnnnnnno. Guess the word "fetish" bears explanation.

A fetish is an inanimate object held up in reverence, also known as an "idol". If a person dreams about instruments of death, collects them, fawns over them, etc etc that person can be described as having a "gun fetish". We see this displayed all over this board including right in the beginning of this thread where such fetishists, when they weren't sidetracking the topic to "Mexican gangs" and "mistresses" straightaway went on to talk shop about various versions of it. Another common fetish (in this country) is the flag, an inanimate object that actually has a national prayer to its worship forced on schoolchildren first thing in the morning. That's what "idolatry" means.

Someone having an abortion is not only not an inanimate object, but a last-ditch act taken when all else has failed, so it has neither the composition nor the worship factor.

Nice attempt to justify a bunch of nonsense. The only hope I can have is that when someone killing what they produced for convenience suffers the same fate as the innocent life she took. Nothing like a botched abortion for karma.

And here again, like the early posts in this thread that tried to deflect to "gangs" and "mistresses" and "what kind of Glock I have", you're trying to do the same deflection with an even more irrelevant sidetrack.

Rotsa ruck wit dat.

Don't care as long as the abortion is botched and she suffers.

See what I mean?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"regulated"

Ain't it instructive that all these wags waddle in here with fantasies of Mexican gangs, mistresses, this, that, as excuses. Nobody has the balls to say it was wrong. That says as much as our culture of death as the gun fetish itself.

Oh and then they immediately sidetrack over to their personal preference of pacifier toys made to do the same thing.

******* sick.

Somewhere John Houser is evilly smiling.

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

 

[Pogo]

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

 

[grainbely]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

 

[Rustic]

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

Firearm ownership this personal business, and certainly none of the federal governments business