Guns in America vol MMXIXWTF: Woman Shot in Own Driveway

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

This country is not armed well enough… Buy more guns and ammo

 

[Pogo]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

Ayup, that's the idea from our local Department of Not Thinking Things Through.

​

 

[Conservative65]

It goes without saying that it was WRONG, Pogo. No one is saying it wasn't wrong.

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I "grouped" no such thing. I'm simply observing that the gun culture FEEDS the gun violence problem. If we had a knife culture, combined with the masculinity crisis, then we would have a knife violence problem. If we had a culture of poison darts ---- you get the idea.

A fetish, again, involves an inanimate object. One could develop a fetish over anything --- a Glock, a Corvette, a baseball card collection, some article of clothing, etc. But only one of them is manufactured for the express purpose of killing people. So where this ultimately goes is a question of social values. This culture does not value human life; if it did, the idea of fawning over an instrument of death would be abhorrent.

Having a gun fetish doesn't mean you're going to go on a shooting spree. But it does mean the social 'doors' are wide open for it, because in this culture that's what you do with a problem ---- you shoot your way out of it.

And that ^^ is what has to change.

There is no gun culture. There are people that misuse guns that give gun haters an excuse to claim guns should be restricted.

Since those that are pro choice claim what is being removed isn't anything but a clump of cells and not really a life, it qualifies as an inanimate object.

 

[miketx]

>> A Texas woman was horrifically murdered in her driveway while setting up a garage sale to raise money for her wedding anniversary - and it was all caught on video.

Elizabeth 'Liz' Barraza, 29, was outside her Tomball home on January 25 when a black pickup truck pulled up and parked across the street. Surveillance footage captured the suspect, who appears to be a woman dressed in a light colored robe, getting out of the truck and quickly walking toward Barraza's home.

The video shows Barraza appearing to freeze at the sight of the shooter and taking a step back when they approach her, exchanging a few words. Just eight seconds pass before the suspect lifts their arm and shoots her at point-blank rage, firing three times. Barraza falls to the ground and the suspect steps over her body and fires one more shot. They are then seen sprinting back to the car and speeding away from the scene.

... Barraza's family said she planned the garage sale to make extra money for a trip she and Sergio were taking for their fifth wedding anniversary. They were supposed to leave two days after she was murdered. <<​

Warning: Graphic video at the link, although it is a long distance away.

"An armed society is a polite society". Right?



Alternate title for the partisan hacks, translated to the language they're used to:

"Republican Murders Innocent Small Businesswoman in Republican-Controlled Red State".​

Perhaps liberals should stop slapping criminals on the wrist and plea bargaining felons? Don't wanna talk about that, do you? lol

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I know, but what I saw was that they all came in trying to find excuses with zero sympathy for the innocent victim, which speaks volumes about them. Much like the same element bent over backward to try to get James Fields off the hook for using his car as a battering ram in Charlottesville. This kind of stuff reveals something sick and bizarre in human psychology and I'm not sure we understand what it is.

John Houser, for those who may not remember, was a member of this board (briefly) before he went to a movie theater in Lafayette Louisiana and started shooting up the place, yet another gun nut. Of course, "Louisiana doesn't have a gun problem".

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

 

[Conservative65]

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

What people like that do is exactly what they complain about when it's some group they support.

 

[Deno]

It's clear, we need to ban knives...……...

And pills, and hands, and bricks, and rocks, and, and...

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Except that without guns, suicide by cop is eliminated, as is shooting up 500 people at a concert before you shoot yourself.

Without guns, they would use bombs or other means....

43,000 people a year die in cars....

Should we outlaw them?

 

[bodecea]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

This country is not armed well enough… Buy more guns and ammo

Go right ahead. Buy more.

 

[bodecea]

It seems a form of paranoia, the delusional belief on the part of conservatives that there’s some sort of ‘conspiracy’ to ‘take away’ their guns – where any reference to gun violence is incorrectly perceived as a ‘threat’ – when in fact it’s nothing more than a good faith effort to address the issue of gun violence having nothing to do with ‘gun control.’

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

 

[Conservative65]

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

The problem with that attitude is that you want to punish people by taking away things they own BEFORE they do something wrong. You've made those that have done nothing wrong bad people because they own guns.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we doood n't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

The yard sale lady was a good person without a gun.

 

[Conservative65]

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we doood n't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

The yard sale lady was a good person without a gun.

She made a good target.

 

[grainbely]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

This country is not armed well enough… Buy more guns and ammo

Go right ahead. Buy more.

Im a center left proponent of sensible moderate gun control. I plan to get a decent rifle and take up marksmanship, and maybe try my hand at some forms of hunting again. I already have my grandpas old 12 gauge as a sort of heirloom, and a convertible barrel training rifle/shotgun. Other than that, hoarding and infatuation of guns is a waste of time and money and problematic. For hunters, it makes sense to have a few long barrels and maybe a handgun for finishing or protecting close range while out hunting. For at risk individuals including women, high profile people, and otherwise threatened or endangered, I'm cool with well trained and accountable carrying of handguns in public and anywhere except bars and other compromised venues. For home defense especially if you are a target or live in a bad area, reasonable and secure gun ownership is good. John wick isnt coming to murder your whole family, though, so the machine gun is probably unnecessary.

I dont feel a need to carry a handgun anywhere. If I did I would put myself through extensive fire arm and conflict de-escalation training to do so. It would be immoral to risk the lives of innocent bystanders and even would be petty criminals by carrying a gun while not being exceptionally trained to use it and to interject myself into those life or death conflicts.

 

[2aguy]

It's clear, we need to ban knives...……...

And pills, and hands, and bricks, and rocks, and, and...

I have a idea....

How "bout" we outlaw crime and

follow through with a real deterrent...

For example, if you use a gun during the

commission of a crime and someone is

shot, we execute your Ass the next day.

If you’re a school shooter, we nail your ass to a tree

and let you die a slow death………

I will guarantee you if we applied this sort

of justice the vast majority of this shit would stop overnight…

We just don't have the balls to get serious.

Mass shooters typically turn their gun on themselves as soon as there's no way out, so yeah great "deterrent" there. I'm sure the prospect of nailing an already-dead body to a tree will give them pause.

SMH

You are extremely ignorant…..

There is nothing anyone can do about someone hellbent on suicide.

Except that without guns, suicide by cop is eliminated, as is shooting up 500 people at a concert before you shoot yourself.

Then they would simply use a rental truck.....like the muslim in France who killed 86 people and injured 435....... more people killed than the guy at the concert who killed 58 people...showing us that a rental truck is more deadly than an AR-15 rifle......

 

[2aguy]

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

No...that isn't true.....90% of gun murderers have long histories of crime and violence that go back to their teen years, so they are not "law abiding" with a gun until they aren't. They are criminals who use guns illegally...while the owners of 99% of the 600 million guns use them responsibly and legally....and 1.1 million Americans use their legal guns to save lives and stop criminals...

 

[2aguy]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

This country is not armed well enough… Buy more guns and ammo

Go right ahead. Buy more.

Im a center left proponent of sensible moderate gun control. I plan to get a decent rifle and take up marksmanship, and maybe try my hand at some forms of hunting again. I already have my grandpas old 12 gauge as a sort of heirloom, and a convertible barrel training rifle/shotgun. Other than that, hoarding and infatuation of guns is a waste of time and money and problematic. For hunters, it makes sense to have a few long barrels and maybe a handgun for finishing or protecting close range while out hunting. For at risk individuals including women, high profile people, and otherwise threatened or endangered, I'm cool with well trained and accountable carrying of handguns in public and anywhere except bars and other compromised venues. For home defense especially if you are a target or live in a bad area, reasonable and secure gun ownership is good. John wick isnt coming to murder your whole family, though, so the machine gun is probably unnecessary.

I dont feel a need to carry a handgun anywhere. If I did I would put myself through extensive fire arm and conflict de-escalation training to do so. It would be immoral to risk the lives of innocent bystanders and even would be petty criminals by carrying a gun while not being exceptionally trained to use it and to interject myself into those life or death conflicts.

You sound reasonable......what gun control laws do you want...and explain how they would actually stop criminals and mass public shooters.....if you would, address the ones you support.....

in particular,

--universal background checks

--gun bans of any type or model

--magazine bullet limits

--gun registration

--mandatory training...

 

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo!

Yeah arm every child, mentally impaired, and ex felon out there! Dont even ask who they are just throw the guns at them! No one should he able to walk peacefully down the street! Theres an enemy on every corner! To top it off, white collar crimes should be consider violent and threat to my wellbeing and we should be able to gun them down for it!

This country is not armed well enough… Buy more guns and ammo

Go right ahead. Buy more.

Im a center left proponent of sensible moderate gun control. I plan to get a decent rifle and take up marksmanship, and maybe try my hand at some forms of hunting again. I already have my grandpas old 12 gauge as a sort of heirloom, and a convertible barrel training rifle/shotgun. Other than that, hoarding and infatuation of guns is a waste of time and money and problematic. For hunters, it makes sense to have a few long barrels and maybe a handgun for finishing or protecting close range while out hunting. For at risk individuals including women, high profile people, and otherwise threatened or endangered, I'm cool with well trained and accountable carrying of handguns in public and anywhere except bars and other compromised venues. For home defense especially if you are a target or live in a bad area, reasonable and secure gun ownership is good. John wick isnt coming to murder your whole family, though, so the machine gun is probably unnecessary.

I dont feel a need to carry a handgun anywhere. If I did I would put myself through extensive fire arm and conflict de-escalation training to do so. It would be immoral to risk the lives of innocent bystanders and even would be petty criminals by carrying a gun while not being exceptionally trained to use it and to interject myself into those life or death conflicts.

Lol
First off personal firearm ownership is none of your ******* business and you need need to stay out of peoples personal lives you ************.

Who are you to tell law abiding citizens anything?

 

[Picaro]

Anybody have any evidence more gun laws will have any effect on Mexican Mayhem?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

And this illustrates the ignorance, stupidity, and dishonesty common to most on the right.

To seek to address the issue of gun violence in America doesn’t mean advocacy of more ‘guns laws.’

That conservatives attempt to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will lead to more ‘gun control’ is as ridiculous as it is wrong – a classic example of a slippery slope fallacy.

Indeed, neither the OP nor anyone else has advocated for ‘more gun control’ as a remedy for gun violence.

Actually that's all you gimps ever advocate, disarming honest citizens or sending them to prison for defending themselves if they resist being beaten to death, like George Zimmerman did. We know what you are, so quit pretending you and your ilk are not out to disarm honest people to make the country safer for your pet thugs. We all know better.

 

[Picaro]

The "nation" doesn't have a propensity for violence. Certain "cultures" within the nation do. It ain't the white "European."

Which gender would that be?

Black male, followed by the uppity black female followed by the illegal alien

Incorrect.

Domestic violence crimes of assault/battery are the leading violent crimes committed without even taking into consideration when they lead to murder of the perpetrator's significant other and/or their children or to the murder suicide of both or all.

U.S. State Crime Rates - Comparing Types of Crimes Across the States

Black and brown people commit the majority of violent crime in this country. You think we should be doing sweeps of minority households and confiscating their guns first? that will save more black women and children's lives than any other action.

Another lie is completely debunked. White Rural America has now surpassed urban America for the highest rates of violent crime. Crime isn't driven by race. It's driven by poverty. The poorest areas always have the highest rates of drug abuse and crime.

Violent Crime in Rural Areas Rises Above U.S. Average | The Crime Report

Congratulations Republicans. Your economic policies have now produced a generation of white Americans who are so poor and so drug addled, that they have turned to violent crime because they have nothing else left, while 100,000 mostly white Americans die of opiod abuse every year. Well done.

lol the second line in your link makes you the liar ...

Though cities on average have a higher violent crime rate than rural areas...

You really should read your own links, so you won't look quite as stupid and dishonest.

You also seem to think no minorities live in 'rural areas', too, which is an even bigger hoot. lol lol lol

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Exactly, and that is a glaring telltale sign of an emotion-based fetish. Like a baby having its pacifier taken away.

Except of course that no baby ever went on a mass pacifier killing spree.

Neither have I or millions of other gun owners yet you want to group us into the same category as those that have. I thought you lefties believed judging all of a group by what a very small number did was wrong?

I’m a gun owner and have no issue with the thread premise – indeed, I own EBRs many believe I shouldn’t be allowed to own.

Consequently, you’re wrong to claim the thread is a hasty generalization fallacy, as the issue concerns solely gun violence and gun owners hostile to Second Amendment jurisprudence; gunowners who seek to propagate the lie that addressing the issue of gun violence will somehow result in ‘more gun control.’

As with any social sickness it starts with cultural values, not with legislation, which has no power over that. We dramatically reduced the portion of the population that smokes tobacco that way --- not by throwing laws at it but by making it socially uncool. Which is quite an accomplishment considering how deep in it we were brought by post WWI advertising.

Motion pictures for example almost never depict anyone smoking, even the villains. Half a century ago everybody would have been smoking in the same film. Today we don't get that but we do get people, including the "heroes", addressing their issues by shooting their way out of them. Ditto for the cesspool that is television, ditto for kids' comic books and toys and video games, even the language used in sports telecasts. It's all about Almighty Gun.

So we turned a corner on tobacco, a substance that kills only sometimes and gradually, and left intact another instrument that does so instantly wherever it's aimed. Things that make ya go WTF.

Except not all gun owner are the same and you're comparing lawful gun owners to criminals.

Remember...they are ALL good people with a gun...............until they are not.

I've never seen anyone make the claim that every single person who has access to firearms is "good person" and by good I mean an individual who would not use their firearm to unlawfully cause harm or death to another person.

What I have seen stated is that they all have the constitutional right to possess and/or carry a firearm if they are not a prohibitied person. Having said that though, I have observed far too many individuals who exhibit many if not all of the behaviors of some prohibited persons but our system helps them avoid becoming a prohibited person thereby perserving their 2nd amendment rights. One case that readily comes to mind is the guy who stabbed to death the mother of his child here in Seattle last fall. She apparantly had filed a protection order out against him but he had indicated that he was planning on killing her. This occurred the same weekend that another disturbed male with issues with women shot up a yoga studio in Florida.

I understand that criminals and those threatening to become criminals have rights too, but their rights when they obviously are unconcerned about making documented threats of harm or death, should not supercede those of their targeted victims. In my opinion, they should be deemed as having forfeited some of those rights when their victim can readily and easily show the acts of violence or death threatened.

I realize that there are a lot of defense attorneys who will not agree with me, some of whom are even friends but until people want to look this issue in the eye and deal with the core violence as opposed to reverting back to the knee-jerk reaction of classifying this as "gun violence" and capturing lawful gun owners in their dragnet then neither side is going to be able to hear what the other side is saying due to all of the shouting.