Gun Background Checks Pass in Washington

[turtledude]

Background checks with regard to firearms sales are perfectly Constitutional. In Heller the Supreme Court admonished the lower courts to not infer that their decision in any way undermined the constitutionality of laws prohibiting felons or the mentally ill from possessing firearms, and the only way to determine is someone is a prohibited person is via a background check.

As for the wisdom or efficacy of universal background checks, those are elements of a law not subject to judicial review. As U.S. District Chief Judge Marcia Krieger correctly observed in her ruling concerning the constitutionality of Colorado's measure limiting magazine capacity:

“Judicial review of laws for constitutional compliance focuses on only a small sliver of the issues that the legislature considers. A court does not act as a super-legislature to determine the wisdom or workability of legislation. Instead, it determines only whether legislation is constitutionally permissible. A law may be constitutional, but nevertheless foolish, ineffective, or cumbersome to enforce.”

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/li..._032508_062614-Krieger-Opinion-Outfitters.pdf

That a law is bad or ineffective does not make it un-Constitutional.

where does the FEDERAL government get the power to impose background check requirements on private citizens who cannot engage in INTER-state commerce

remind me again where you got you law degree

 

[Contumacious]

Background checks with regard to firearms sales are perfectly Constitutional.l.

Explain clearly and succinctly, if it is true that we are equal and the governed has consented, when did the people , throgh a Constitutional Amendment permitted the government and our neighbors to infringe upon our right to life and to defend the same?

.

 

[westwall]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

That measure violates the Heller decision. Blatantly. Good luck keeping that one on the books.

It's already on the books in 6 other states and Washington DC.

Good luck getting it off the books!

The people who won't be able to get a gun had lost their right to have a gun when they committed the felony or were diagnosed with mental problems or was abusive to a mate. The law that takes their rights to a gun was established years ago.

All this law does is find out if the buyer is a criminal or has mental problems or is a domestic abuser. If they are, the old federal laws we have on the books prevents those people from getting a gun.

The honor/trust system we have now with private gun sales has not worked thus far. Not asking questions and not verifying has not worked. It's putting guns in the hands of people who clearly shouldn't have them.

It won't. A similar waiting period in Californias gun law was struck down, I-594 has a 10 to 60 day waiting period after a background check. Tell me, what happens to the law then?

It's not a waiting period. It's a background check.

The federal background check has been ruled constitutional. All this law does is expand that federal law to all sales. Not just licensed sellers.

So if it's constitutional for a licensed seller to do a background check it's constitutional for a private seller to do the same check.

Background checks are nearly instantaneous now. Thus any wait over a few minutes is an illegal taking of property. As has been pointed out to you, CA had its waiting period ruled illegal. Here in Nevada the background check must be accomplished within 15 minutes. If it takes longer, for whatever reason the buyer is notified of the cause. Of course we actually do arrest felons who try and buy guns too. Something that no other state does. They talk a lot but then do nothing. We talk AND DO!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Again, the hypocrisy of most on the right is noted.

If the courts are authorized to invalidate a state measure seeking to require background checks for guns, so too are the courts authorized to invalidate a state measure seeking to deny gay Americans access to marriage law.

Conservatives can't have it both ways.

 

[turtledude]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

That measure violates the Heller decision. Blatantly. Good luck keeping that one on the books.

It's already on the books in 6 other states and Washington DC.

Good luck getting it off the books!

The people who won't be able to get a gun had lost their right to have a gun when they committed the felony or were diagnosed with mental problems or was abusive to a mate. The law that takes their rights to a gun was established years ago.

All this law does is find out if the buyer is a criminal or has mental problems or is a domestic abuser. If they are, the old federal laws we have on the books prevents those people from getting a gun.

The honor/trust system we have now with private gun sales has not worked thus far. Not asking questions and not verifying has not worked. It's putting guns in the hands of people who clearly shouldn't have them.

It won't. A similar waiting period in Californias gun law was struck down, I-594 has a 10 to 60 day waiting period after a background check. Tell me, what happens to the law then?

It's not a waiting period. It's a background check.

The federal background check has been ruled constitutional. All this law does is expand that federal law to all sales. Not just licensed sellers.

So if it's constitutional for a licensed seller to do a background check it's constitutional for a private seller to do the same check.

Background checks are nearly instantaneous now. Thus any wait over a few minutes is an illegal taking of property. As has been pointed out to you, CA had its waiting period ruled illegal. Here in Nevada the background check must be accomplished within 15 minutes. If it takes longer, for whatever reason the buyer is notified of the cause. Of course we actually do arrest felons who try and buy guns too. Something that no other state does. They talk a lot but then do nothing. We talk AND DO!

these checks will take more time than if a dealer does it unless it allows private sellers to call the data base

in some states private sellers have to go to a dealer and pay him to access the data base

 

[westwall]

That measure violates the Heller decision. Blatantly. Good luck keeping that one on the books.

It's already on the books in 6 other states and Washington DC.

Good luck getting it off the books!

The people who won't be able to get a gun had lost their right to have a gun when they committed the felony or were diagnosed with mental problems or was abusive to a mate. The law that takes their rights to a gun was established years ago.

All this law does is find out if the buyer is a criminal or has mental problems or is a domestic abuser. If they are, the old federal laws we have on the books prevents those people from getting a gun.

The honor/trust system we have now with private gun sales has not worked thus far. Not asking questions and not verifying has not worked. It's putting guns in the hands of people who clearly shouldn't have them.

It won't. A similar waiting period in Californias gun law was struck down, I-594 has a 10 to 60 day waiting period after a background check. Tell me, what happens to the law then?

It's not a waiting period. It's a background check.

The federal background check has been ruled constitutional. All this law does is expand that federal law to all sales. Not just licensed sellers.

So if it's constitutional for a licensed seller to do a background check it's constitutional for a private seller to do the same check.

Background checks are nearly instantaneous now. Thus any wait over a few minutes is an illegal taking of property. As has been pointed out to you, CA had its waiting period ruled illegal. Here in Nevada the background check must be accomplished within 15 minutes. If it takes longer, for whatever reason the buyer is notified of the cause. Of course we actually do arrest felons who try and buy guns too. Something that no other state does. They talk a lot but then do nothing. We talk AND DO!

these checks will take more time than if a dealer does it unless it allows private sellers to call the data base

in some states private sellers have to go to a dealer and pay him to access the data base

The whole idea is to drive people to dealers so that the cost go's up. It's all about making things as annoying and costly as possible so that people stop buying weapons.

 

[AntiParty]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

 

[turtledude]

It's already on the books in 6 other states and Washington DC.

Good luck getting it off the books!

The people who won't be able to get a gun had lost their right to have a gun when they committed the felony or were diagnosed with mental problems or was abusive to a mate. The law that takes their rights to a gun was established years ago.

All this law does is find out if the buyer is a criminal or has mental problems or is a domestic abuser. If they are, the old federal laws we have on the books prevents those people from getting a gun.

The honor/trust system we have now with private gun sales has not worked thus far. Not asking questions and not verifying has not worked. It's putting guns in the hands of people who clearly shouldn't have them.

It won't. A similar waiting period in Californias gun law was struck down, I-594 has a 10 to 60 day waiting period after a background check. Tell me, what happens to the law then?

It's not a waiting period. It's a background check.

The federal background check has been ruled constitutional. All this law does is expand that federal law to all sales. Not just licensed sellers.

So if it's constitutional for a licensed seller to do a background check it's constitutional for a private seller to do the same check.

Background checks are nearly instantaneous now. Thus any wait over a few minutes is an illegal taking of property. As has been pointed out to you, CA had its waiting period ruled illegal. Here in Nevada the background check must be accomplished within 15 minutes. If it takes longer, for whatever reason the buyer is notified of the cause. Of course we actually do arrest felons who try and buy guns too. Something that no other state does. They talk a lot but then do nothing. We talk AND DO!

these checks will take more time than if a dealer does it unless it allows private sellers to call the data base

in some states private sellers have to go to a dealer and pay him to access the data base

The whole idea is to drive people to dealers so that the cost go's up. It's all about making things as annoying and costly as possible so that people stop buying weapons.

the anti gun scum bags know lots of people-especially people way out in the sticks or neighbors, aren't going to comply with that and then the scum bags can deem them felons and rape them legally

 

[turtledude]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

what moronic drivel. another gun banning retard

 

[westwall]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

Gosh you're stupid. I don't need more guns. I just need the one. A gun is a tool, it's no better or worse than the person using it. Anyone with a brain (which leaves you out) knows this to be true. Progressives don't want civilians to own guns because that way they can control them. The Rumanian revolution was started by their Olympic team breaking into the armory and taking the single shot .22 target pistols out. They used those to kill the guards with the AKs, and they then grabbed those guns and used them to get bigger ones.

Our founders figured out that there are a lot of good people who die in that scenario so they ensured that we didn't have to go through that first step. Progressive dip shits like you have the mental acuity or a gnat and so continually bleat the same progressive bullshit all the while claiming to hate the ruling elite when it's the very ruling elite they claim to hate that stands most to benefit from gun control.

In other words you're a ******* moron who probably has trouble wiping your own ass. I'm a moderator here because I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you. That's why.

 

[turtledude]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

Gosh you're stupid. I don't need more guns. I just need the one. A gun is a tool, it's no better or worse than the person using it. Anyone with a brain (which leaves you out) knows this to be true. Progressives don't want civilians to own guns because that way they can control them. The Rumanian revolution was started by their Olympic team breaking into the armory and taking the single shot .22 target pistols out. They used those to kill the guards with the AKs, and they then grabbed those guns and used them to get bigger ones.

Our founders figured out that there are a lot of good people who die in that scenario so they ensured that we didn't have to go through that first step. Progressive dip shits like you have the mental acuity or a gnat and so continually bleat the same progressive bullshit all the while claiming to hate the ruling elite when it's the very ruling elite they claim to hate that stands most to benefit from gun control.

In other words you're a ******* moron who probably has trouble wiping your own ass. I'm a moderator here because I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you. That's why.

we had a turd on Debate Politics with that same handle who was a complete moron

I wonder if its the same assclown or if turds like that handle

 

[AntiParty]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

what moronic drivel. another gun banning retard

Another person that is unable to discuss the gun topic without jumping to such conclusions.

Background checks don't exclude responsible gun owners from owning guns kiddo. Your brain is too small and bias for this topic. Always has been.

 

[AntiParty]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

Gosh you're stupid. I don't need more guns. I just need the one. A gun is a tool, it's no better or worse than the person using it. Anyone with a brain (which leaves you out) knows this to be true. Progressives don't want civilians to own guns because that way they can control them. The Rumanian revolution was started by their Olympic team breaking into the armory and taking the single shot .22 target pistols out. They used those to kill the guards with the AKs, and they then grabbed those guns and used them to get bigger ones.

Our founders figured out that there are a lot of good people who die in that scenario so they ensured that we didn't have to go through that first step. Progressive dip shits like you have the mental acuity or a gnat and so continually bleat the same progressive bullshit all the while claiming to hate the ruling elite when it's the very ruling elite they claim to hate that stands most to benefit from gun control.

In other words you're a ******* moron who probably has trouble wiping your own ass. I'm a moderator here because I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you. That's why.

 

[AntiParty]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

Gosh you're stupid. I don't need more guns. I just need the one. A gun is a tool, it's no better or worse than the person using it. Anyone with a brain (which leaves you out) knows this to be true. Progressives don't want civilians to own guns because that way they can control them. The Rumanian revolution was started by their Olympic team breaking into the armory and taking the single shot .22 target pistols out. They used those to kill the guards with the AKs, and they then grabbed those guns and used them to get bigger ones.

Our founders figured out that there are a lot of good people who die in that scenario so they ensured that we didn't have to go through that first step. Progressive dip shits like you have the mental acuity or a gnat and so continually bleat the same progressive bullshit all the while claiming to hate the ruling elite when it's the very ruling elite they claim to hate that stands most to benefit from gun control.

In other words you're a ******* moron who probably has trouble wiping your own ass. I'm a moderator here because I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you. That's why.

"A gun is a tool," ~ If you think guns are "tools" then you bit the bait and don't understand the dangers of guns. People who don't understand the dangers of weapons don't need to own them. THAT is the discussion.

Guns were designed to kill. Nothing more. Tools were designed to fix things. Learn more, type less.

 

[turtledude]

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

what moronic drivel. another gun banning retard

Another person that is unable to discuss the gun topic without jumping to such conclusions.

Background checks don't exclude responsible gun owners from owning guns kiddo. Your brain is too small and bias for this topic. Always has been.

1) they hassle private sellers UNLESS the sellers have the same access to the same system as FEDERAL FIREARMS licensees

2) they are designed to create a demand for complete gun registration because without registration, the UBGC cannot be enforce

3) they are designed to turn people who ignore such a stupid law into felons

 

[turtledude]

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

Gosh you're stupid. I don't need more guns. I just need the one. A gun is a tool, it's no better or worse than the person using it. Anyone with a brain (which leaves you out) knows this to be true. Progressives don't want civilians to own guns because that way they can control them. The Rumanian revolution was started by their Olympic team breaking into the armory and taking the single shot .22 target pistols out. They used those to kill the guards with the AKs, and they then grabbed those guns and used them to get bigger ones.

Our founders figured out that there are a lot of good people who die in that scenario so they ensured that we didn't have to go through that first step. Progressive dip shits like you have the mental acuity or a gnat and so continually bleat the same progressive bullshit all the while claiming to hate the ruling elite when it's the very ruling elite they claim to hate that stands most to benefit from gun control.

In other words you're a ******* moron who probably has trouble wiping your own ass. I'm a moderator here because I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you. That's why.

"A gun is a tool," ~ If you think guns are "tools" then you bit the bait and don't understand the dangers of guns. People who don't understand the dangers of weapons don't need to own them. THAT is the discussion.

Guns were designed to kill. Nothing more. Tools were designed to fix things. Learn more, type less.

People who often need shooting are often those who want to restrict or ban guns

guns are tools and I know more about guns, their uses, and gun laws than you can possibly fathom

 

[AntiParty]

It won't. A similar waiting period in Californias gun law was struck down, I-594 has a 10 to 60 day waiting period after a background check. Tell me, what happens to the law then?

It's not a waiting period. It's a background check.

The federal background check has been ruled constitutional. All this law does is expand that federal law to all sales. Not just licensed sellers.

So if it's constitutional for a licensed seller to do a background check it's constitutional for a private seller to do the same check.

Background checks are nearly instantaneous now. Thus any wait over a few minutes is an illegal taking of property. As has been pointed out to you, CA had its waiting period ruled illegal. Here in Nevada the background check must be accomplished within 15 minutes. If it takes longer, for whatever reason the buyer is notified of the cause. Of course we actually do arrest felons who try and buy guns too. Something that no other state does. They talk a lot but then do nothing. We talk AND DO!

these checks will take more time than if a dealer does it unless it allows private sellers to call the data base

in some states private sellers have to go to a dealer and pay him to access the data base

The whole idea is to drive people to dealers so that the cost go's up. It's all about making things as annoying and costly as possible so that people stop buying weapons.

the anti gun scum bags know lots of people-especially people way out in the sticks or neighbors, aren't going to comply with that and then the scum bags can deem them felons and rape them legally

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

what moronic drivel. another gun banning retard

Another person that is unable to discuss the gun topic without jumping to such conclusions.

Background checks don't exclude responsible gun owners from owning guns kiddo. Your brain is too small and bias for this topic. Always has been.

1) they hassle private sellers UNLESS the sellers have the same access to the same system as FEDERAL FIREARMS licensees

2) they are designed to create a demand for complete gun registration because without registration, the UBGC cannot be enforce

3) they are designed to turn people who ignore such a stupid law into felons

So here you encapture that if you don't obey "stupid laws" you are turned into a felon......................Again.......another small brained Nihilist!

 

[AntiParty]

It won't. A similar waiting period in Californias gun law was struck down, I-594 has a 10 to 60 day waiting period after a background check. Tell me, what happens to the law then?

It's not a waiting period. It's a background check.

The federal background check has been ruled constitutional. All this law does is expand that federal law to all sales. Not just licensed sellers.

So if it's constitutional for a licensed seller to do a background check it's constitutional for a private seller to do the same check.

Background checks are nearly instantaneous now. Thus any wait over a few minutes is an illegal taking of property. As has been pointed out to you, CA had its waiting period ruled illegal. Here in Nevada the background check must be accomplished within 15 minutes. If it takes longer, for whatever reason the buyer is notified of the cause. Of course we actually do arrest felons who try and buy guns too. Something that no other state does. They talk a lot but then do nothing. We talk AND DO!

these checks will take more time than if a dealer does it unless it allows private sellers to call the data base

in some states private sellers have to go to a dealer and pay him to access the data base

The whole idea is to drive people to dealers so that the cost go's up. It's all about making things as annoying and costly as possible so that people stop buying weapons.

the anti gun scum bags know lots of people-especially people way out in the sticks or neighbors, aren't going to comply with that and then the scum bags can deem them felons and rape them legally

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

"Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point." They do actually because you refuse to believe a gun is dangerous in the wrong hands. I agree, guns don't kill people and people kill people. But your primitive mind set of "I have to have more guns than the bad guy with a gun" only fuels the far Leftists perspective. Because if no one has guns, why do you need guns to protect yourself from guns?

Start talking smart and stop listening to Fox News..........A moderator on a forum LOL..........You were the bottom of the bucket in all forums, how did you get moderator.

Gosh you're stupid. I don't need more guns. I just need the one. A gun is a tool, it's no better or worse than the person using it. Anyone with a brain (which leaves you out) knows this to be true. Progressives don't want civilians to own guns because that way they can control them. The Rumanian revolution was started by their Olympic team breaking into the armory and taking the single shot .22 target pistols out. They used those to kill the guards with the AKs, and they then grabbed those guns and used them to get bigger ones.

Our founders figured out that there are a lot of good people who die in that scenario so they ensured that we didn't have to go through that first step. Progressive dip shits like you have the mental acuity or a gnat and so continually bleat the same progressive bullshit all the while claiming to hate the ruling elite when it's the very ruling elite they claim to hate that stands most to benefit from gun control.

In other words you're a ******* moron who probably has trouble wiping your own ass. I'm a moderator here because I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you. That's why.

"A gun is a tool," ~ If you think guns are "tools" then you bit the bait and don't understand the dangers of guns. People who don't understand the dangers of weapons don't need to own them. THAT is the discussion.

Guns were designed to kill. Nothing more. Tools were designed to fix things. Learn more, type less.

People who often need shooting are often those who want to restrict or ban guns

guns are tools and I know more about guns, their uses, and gun laws than you can possibly fathom

Enough said^, "People who often need shooting are often those who want to restrict or ban guns". ~Another LD gun owner ripe for murder

 

[asterism]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

No, it means that the people of Washington want all gun sales to go through a background check.

Let's see how that works in your state before we decide to run a national experiment.

 

[turtledude]

Enough said^, "People who often need shooting are often those who want to restrict or ban guns". ~Another LD gun owner ripe for murder

more stupidity from a proven stupid poster

criminals, perverts and control freak politicians are the biggest fans of gun bans