Granting Props to President Obama where due

[Liability]

For grins and chuckles, I thought it might be interesting to see what things about President Obama make conservatives say, "Good point" or "Good job" or "Thank you!"

I will offer a few observations to get it rolling.

1. President Obama is taking the fight against the likes of al qaeda into Afghanistan (and has been doing so rather consistently since becoming President). I think these are smart moves by him and I don't mind giving him credit because I think he has earned credit for that.
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2. President Obama has indicated that he is open to keeping provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act. I realize that many of my conservative brothers and sisters hate that Act as do most liberals. That's ok. To my view, it is a practical necessity and if kept under close scrutiny (checks and balances), it is a perfectly Constitutional and proper governmental power. I give him kudos for NOT being such a doctrinaire liberal that he found it necessary to undermine our national security.
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3. President Obama (even if off the record and even if it was shoddy of Terrry Moran to report the off the record material) did say that Kanye West was a "jackass." I not only agree with that assessment of Kanye West by President Obama, but I got the impression, when I heard the tape getting played, that President Obama was being genuine. He seems, sometimes, like a real regular guy. I can't imagine agreeing with him on very much politically, but I can imagine having a brew with him and discussing many other things in a way that wouldn't be anything but a pleasant session. Objectively, my view is he deserves props for being a basically good person, even if I think he has his head up his ass most of the time politically.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I got... no.. how about... no...oh oh ...uh...no not that either. Ok I got nothing!!!


You mentioned about the only things that I would give him an "atta boy" for.



Uh oh , now that sounded racist, I meant "atta man"!!

 

[Big Black Dog]

I give Obama credit for making me feel like a 3rd grader being lectured to by a mean teacher every time he gives a speech. He doesn't talk to people. He lectures them.

 

[Liability]

I give Obama credit for making me feel like a 3rd grader being lectured to by a mean teacher every time he gives a speech. He doesn't talk to people. He lectures them.

I don't disagree that he talks down to us as though he is the annointed one on high who must suffer the rabble and try to educate the poor, ill-informed masses.

But you aren't really keeping to the spirit of this thread by giving "props" to a man when you are actually just criticizing him.

Is there anything he has done of said that you do like?

 

[eagleseven]

Agree with you, except on point #2. The Patriot Act makes me want to scream...

 

[RadiomanATL]

agree with yours except for no. 2

as for mine, when he ordered those somali pirates to be taken out.






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[Liability]

Agree with you, except on point #2. The Patriot Act makes me want to scream...

I understand (and even noted that many conservatives disagree with me on that point).

Although it might derail my own thread, let me ask you something, a bit hypothetically.

I have NO IDEA if this is true or not, but let's assume that the FBI, the NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force and other law enforcement types associated with The Department of Homeland Security discovered the guys who just got their homes searched in Queens County, New York City (my stomping grounds for many years)* and at least one of whom has roots going back to Colorado, were involved in some plot to commit some terrorist acts here in the continental United States. And, again, conceding that I don't know if it's true, let's further assume that the suspects are actually al qaeda cell members. And, let us further assume that the suspects got EXPOSED in their plot via use of the tools of the USA PATRIOT Act.

How exactly does the USE of that tool violate any of OUR Constitutional rights?
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* link to one of the first reports of this still developing story: Dramatic raids in search of terror: Feds move on Qaeda suspect's Queens pals

 

[Liability]

agree with yours except for no. 2

as for mine, when he ordered those somali pirates to be taken out.






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I agree with you that the affirmative decision to authorize deadly force against Somali pirates was a praise-worthy decision by the President.

 

[eagleseven]

Agree with you, except on point #2. The Patriot Act makes me want to scream...

I understand (and even noted that many conservatives disagree with me on that point).

Although it might derail my own thread, let me ask you something, a bit hypothetically.

I have NO IDEA if this is true or not, but let's assume that the FBI, the NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force and other law enforcement types associated with The Department of Homeland Security discovered the guys who just got their homes searched in Queens County, New York City (my stomping grounds for many years)* and at least one of whom has roots going back to Colorado, were involved in some plot to commit some terrorist acts here in the continental United States. And, again, conceding that I don't know if it's true, let's further assume that the suspects are actually al qaeda cell members. And, let us further assume that the suspects got EXPOSED in their plot via use of the tools of the USA PATRIOT Act.

How exactly does the USE of that tool violate any of OUR Constitutional rights?

If they have US citizenship, then their rights were violated. It is that simple.

Our open society, by its nature, makes us very vulnerable. If you don't like it, I hear Russia and China are very safe places to live.

 

[Liability]

Agree with you, except on point #2. The Patriot Act makes me want to scream...

I understand (and even noted that many conservatives disagree with me on that point).

Although it might derail my own thread, let me ask you something, a bit hypothetically.

I have NO IDEA if this is true or not, but let's assume that the FBI, the NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force and other law enforcement types associated with The Department of Homeland Security discovered the guys who just got their homes searched in Queens County, New York City (my stomping grounds for many years)* and at least one of whom has roots going back to Colorado, were involved in some plot to commit some terrorist acts here in the continental United States. And, again, conceding that I don't know if it's true, let's further assume that the suspects are actually al qaeda cell members. And, let us further assume that the suspects got EXPOSED in their plot via use of the tools of the USA PATRIOT Act.

How exactly does the USE of that tool violate any of OUR Constitutional rights?

If they have US citizenship, then their rights were violated. It is that simple.

Our open society, by its nature, makes us very vulnerable. If you don't like it, I hear Russia and China are very safe places to live.

If they are U.S. citizens or not, if you'd be so kind, please explain HOW their rights were allegedly violated. You said it's "that simple." It is? WHAT, exactly, is simple? What rights were violated, by whom and in what manner?

I decline the rhetorical invitation to explore living arrangements in nations that do not share our love of and for ordered liberty.

 

[Si modo]

He handled the Somalian pirates well by listening and following the advice of those who knew how to handle it. A good leader does just that.

 

[Modbert]

As a Conservative you have plenty more to be happy about when it comes to Obama.

 

[Liability]

As a Conservative you have plenty more to be happy about when it comes to Obama.

More?

More than what?

More than what we might have had if an even more radical Marxist had run for the Presidency and won?

 

[Modbert]

More?

More than what?

More than what we might have had if an even more radical Marxist had run for the Presidency and won?

More than had an actual Liberal won. Obama has plenty of Conservative views and most of the time did exactly what Bush did. Except when Bush did it, it was excused as "protecting our freedoms and us citizens" while when Obama does it it's "Socialism and taking away our rights."

And before you ask, this is coming from a Liberal who really no longer supports Obama. His so called change is just more of the same.

 

[Liability]

More?

More than what?

More than what we might have had if an even more radical Marxist had run for the Presidency and won?

More than had an actual Liberal won. Obama has plenty of Conservative views and most of the time did exactly what Bush did. Except when Bush did it, it was excused as "protecting our freedoms and us citizens" while when Obama does it it's "Socialism and taking away our rights."

I would prefer to address that point by way of examples of whatever it is you have in mind. As for me, I have supported a few of the things done by President Obama which happen to be more or less along the lines of SOME of the things done by President Bush. I generally supported PResident Bush on issues of national security, but I often disageed with him on issue of domestic programs, spending, etc. So, if I prasied President Bush for some position (the PATRIOT Act, for example) then to the extent President Obama has shared those positions, I have praised President Obama too.

By the way, President Obama IS an actual liberal.

And before you ask, this is coming from a Liberal who really no longer supports Obama. His so called change is just more of the same.

No. It certainly is not -- except on a few matters. Too few.

 

[Modbert]

I would prefer to address that point by way of examples of whatever it is you have in mind. As for me, I have supported a few of the things done by President Obama which happen to be more or less along the lines of SOME of the things done by President Bush. I generally supported PResident Bush on issues of national security, but I often disageed with him on issue of domestic programs, spending, etc. So, if I prasied President Bush for some position (the PATRIOT Act, for example) then to the extent President Obama has shared those positions, I have praised President Obama too.

By the way, President Obama IS an actual liberal .

Really now, go ahead and show me the extreme Liberal positions that Obama has taken? Gunny makes a good point, if Obama is anything on the left, it's a leftist and not a Liberal.

Obama is not a Liberal, as much as you'd want him to be.

 

[Sarah G]

Well, I guess it's ok to put in here some of the things I like about W Bush.

I was watching Hardball last night and Chris Matthews was quoting W from the book Speechless that had me laughing so hard, in a good way.

MATTHEWS: But let‘s catch this. This is an excerpt from—about

President Bush‘s—President George W. Bush‘s reaction about the idea of Sarah Palin being tapped as John McCain‘s vice presidential running mate—

quote—“‘I‘m trying to remember if I have ever met her before. I‘m sure I must have.‘ His eyes twinkled. Then he asked, ‘What is she, the governor of Guam?‘”

The excerpt continues—quote—“‘This woman is being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for. She hasn‘t spent one day on the national level. Neither has her family. Let‘s wait and see how he looks five days out.”

Pat Buchanan, very, very—what is the right word?

Just a couple more:

Let‘s go to this funny one. This is a little rougher, to say the least. This is an excerpt from President—former President Bush about Hillary Clinton, the now secretary of state.

“He always believed Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee.” This is the writer talking about the president. He was a speechwriter, and he thought that President Bush thought that his successor would be Senator Clinton.

Quote—this is his quote, Bush‘s, according to this writer—“‘Wait until her fat”—well, rear end, I guess—“‘is sitting at this desk,‘ he once said,” except he didn‘t say that word.


One more:

MATTHEWS: This is about Joe Biden, our vice president.

The author writes—here is how he describes the president. “He paused for a minute. I could see him thinking maybe he shouldn‘t say it, but he couldn‘t resist it.

‘If B.S.” -bull—you know what the word is—“‘was currency,‘ he said straight-faced, ‘Joe Biden would be a billionaire.‘”

One more:

MATTHEWS: OK. Let‘s go to this last here. This is—no, there is one more. This is the one about—about a McCain event, where the—where McCain is having a hard time scratching together up enough people.

This excerpt is Bush when he learns the McCain campaign has agreed to appear at an event, but he can‘t get people—quote—“‘He can‘t get 500 people to show up for an event in his hometown?‘ No one said anything.

And then we went to another topic. But the president couldn‘t let the

matter drop—quote -- ‘He couldn‘t get 500 people? I could get that many

people to turn up in Crawford.‘ He shook his head. This is a five-spiral crash, boys.‘”

Funny...

 

[CryGlennCry]

I give Obama credit for making me feel like a 3rd grader being lectured to by a mean teacher every time he gives a speech. He doesn't talk to people. He lectures them.

Yeah, I miss the ole' days when I was SMARTER than my president!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Well, I guess it's ok to put in here some of the things I like about W Bush.

I was watching Hardball last night and Chris Matthews was quoting W from the book Speechless that had me laughing so hard, in a good way.

MATTHEWS: But let‘s catch this. This is an excerpt from—about

President Bush‘s—President George W. Bush‘s reaction about the idea of Sarah Palin being tapped as John McCain‘s vice presidential running mate—

quote—“‘I‘m trying to remember if I have ever met her before. I‘m sure I must have.‘ His eyes twinkled. Then he asked, ‘What is she, the governor of Guam?‘”

The excerpt continues—quote—“‘This woman is being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for. She hasn‘t spent one day on the national level. Neither has her family. Let‘s wait and see how he looks five days out.”

Pat Buchanan, very, very—what is the right word?

Just a couple more:

Let‘s go to this funny one. This is a little rougher, to say the least. This is an excerpt from President—former President Bush about Hillary Clinton, the now secretary of state.

“He always believed Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee.” This is the writer talking about the president. He was a speechwriter, and he thought that President Bush thought that his successor would be Senator Clinton.

Quote—this is his quote, Bush‘s, according to this writer—“‘Wait until her fat”—well, rear end, I guess—“‘is sitting at this desk,‘ he once said,” except he didn‘t say that word.


One more:

MATTHEWS: This is about Joe Biden, our vice president.

The author writes—here is how he describes the president. “He paused for a minute. I could see him thinking maybe he shouldn‘t say it, but he couldn‘t resist it.

‘If B.S.” -bull—you know what the word is—“‘was currency,‘ he said straight-faced, ‘Joe Biden would be a billionaire.‘”

One more:

MATTHEWS: OK. Let‘s go to this last here. This is—no, there is one more. This is the one about—about a McCain event, where the—where McCain is having a hard time scratching together up enough people.

This excerpt is Bush when he learns the McCain campaign has agreed to appear at an event, but he can‘t get people—quote—“‘He can‘t get 500 people to show up for an event in his hometown?‘ No one said anything.

And then we went to another topic. But the president couldn‘t let the

matter drop—quote -- ‘He couldn‘t get 500 people? I could get that many

people to turn up in Crawford.‘ He shook his head. This is a five-spiral crash, boys.‘”

Funny...

Relevance?

 

[Liability]

I give Obama credit for making me feel like a 3rd grader being lectured to by a mean teacher every time he gives a speech. He doesn't talk to people. He lectures them.

Yeah, I miss the ole' days when I was SMARTER than my president!

You might not realize that the image you posted was photoshopped, but your ignorance is amusing.

If you DID know it was photoshopped, then you just exposed yourself as being dishonest.

So, which is it? Are you dishonest or just woefully gullible?