Grand Jury returns a no bill in indicting Letitia James

[ThisIsMe]

Apparently not, according to the jury who was privy to all the facts of the case.

Try again....

The facts weren't considered here. Is she a liberal? Ok, then she walks away scott free.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I see. So your entire model of the world boils down to this:

– If a Democrat isn’t indicted, it’s because the system is corrupt.
– If Trump is indicted and convicted, it’s because the system is corrupt.

No, thats not my world view. Ive posted many times that if trump committed crimes, he should be punished for it, I only expect that the left be held to the same standard.

Now, in the cases against trump, I disagree with them because they were bogus cases.

E Jean Carroll never provided a shred of evidence that trump touched her. She even forgot details of the alleged case, and she patterned the allegation after an episode of her favorite TV show.

In the bragg case, he had to use internal business records, that nobody else would see, as a way to turn a misdemeanor into a felony, after other DAs refused to prosecute the case, and other NY attorneys said braggs case was not a good case.

In the case of letitia james, her case was aggregious because she campaigned on a witch hunt, and then the judge came up with some ridiculous valuation of Mar A Lago.

All of this started with democrats vowing to go after trump back in 2015 when he announced his run for president.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Considering she was the one being indicted, it's pretty obvious to tried to "fry her".

That's how indictments work, prosecutors trying to show to a Grand Jury that the person being indicted committed a crime.

Your response to ChrisM was alluding to they were trying to "fry" her, in an unfair manner. My response was, maybe they weren't.

 

[Mac1958]

Let’s be clear: grand jurors are not trained in law. I doubt you are either.

Unlike you, they at least have the benefit of people who are explaining the law to them. More precisely the same people whose job it is to secure an indictment. That’s one of the many structural advantages a prosecutor enjoys in the grand jury process.

And yet… this grand jury still didn’t indict.

I think it's possible that they've been told things about this case -- in their world -- that just weren't true. Just like the "rigged election", the Insurrection, supposed crimes by Democrats, and everything else.

Then when the bullshit hits the light of day in court, where you really have to prove things, their "cases" fall apart.

Then they claim, of course, that THAT was rigged. That's the isolated, insulated world they inhabit. Always the righteous victim.

 

[progressive hunter]

For now what?

You guys can't get over the first and by far the lowest hurdle.

You think a case that doesn't even convince a majority of the Grand Jury that a crime has been committed will magically become convincing to a full jury to the point that they say there's no reasonable doubt that a crime did occur? Or for that matter a judge who will have to decide over about 2 dozen motions to dismiss?

tell us again who is the president??

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I think it's possible that they've been told things about this case -- in their world -- that just weren't true. Just like the "rigged election", the Insurrection, supposed crimes by Democrats, and everything else.

Then when the bullshit hits the light of day in court, where you really have to prove things, their "cases" fall apart.

Then they claim, of course, that THAT was rigged. That's the isolated, insulated world they inhabit. Always the righteous victim.

Yeah - except there is this minor detail called public records.
Where Letitia signed documents ,filed at the clerks office, where she clearly claimed she lived at the home, knowing that was false. And was never going to live there.
That is fraud. On public record, plain as day. Indisputable.
So your argument is intellectual dishonesty, because we all know you know this.

 

[Marener]

Yeah - except there is this minor detail called public records.
Where Letitia signed documents ,filed at the clerks office, where she clearly claimed she lived at the home, knowing that was false. And was never going to live there.
That is fraud. On public record, plain as day. Indisputable.
So your argument is intellectual dishonesty, because we all know you know this.

This is false. She got the mortgage for a house as a secondary residence, which does not require that she actually live there.

 

[Mac1958]

Yeah - except there is this minor detail called public records.
Where Letitia signed documents ,filed at the clerks office, where she clearly claimed she lived at the home, knowing that was false. And was never going to live there.
That is fraud. On public record, plain as day. Indisputable.
So your argument is intellectual dishonesty, because we all know you know this.

Oh yeah, like the spectacularly overstated loan documents that Trump used. Back when we were told "everybody lies on loan docs".

Looks like the grand jury wasn't shown those records, huh? That must be it. That's the prosecutor's fault. The prosecutor must be an evil commie working with Soros.

 

[rightwinger]

I guess the law doesnt apply to everyone after all,,

Trump taught us that and the Supreme Court affirmed it

 

[iamwhatiseem]

This is false. She got the mortgage for a house as a secondary residence, which does not require that she actually live there.

That is simply false, don't know where you got that info - but it is flat out false.
She claimed PRIMARY residence on a home she rented out and intended to rent it out from get go.
That is inarguable.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Oh yeah, like the spectacularly overstated loan documents that Trump used. Back when we were told "everybody lies on loan docs".

Looks like the grand jury wasn't shown those records, huh? That must be it. That's the prosecutor's fault. The prosecutor must be an evil commie working with Soros.

Yes "oh yeah".
What Trump did is not, at all, what Letitia did.
Letitia knowingly claimed primary residence in order to pay substantially less taxes. That is defrauding the government.
Trump overstated the value of property in order to get a loan.
Which happens probably 100,000 times a day. Literally that many times. It is done by everyone.
Every single relator in the city - INCLUDING Barbara Cochran who - HATES - Trump backed him up agreeing that everyone does this. Everyone, everyday.

 

[Marener]

That is simply false, don't know where you got that info - but it is flat out false.
She claimed PRIMARY residence on a home she rented out and intended to rent it out from get go.
That is inarguable.

Read the indictment. (The one that was already dismissed)

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/media/1416106/dl?inline

Paragraph 6 specifically says the mortgage was for a secondary home.

Where did you get your info?

 

[Zincwarrior]

I wonder when the statute of limitations applies here.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Read the indictment. (The one that was already dismissed)

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/media/1416106/dl?inline

Paragraph 6 specifically says the mortgage was for a secondary home.

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Where did you get your info?

So what - still the same. She committed fraud exactly the same.
Exactly.
She rented out a home she claimed she would occupy, and received tax benefits because of it.
That is fraud.
And she did it 100% knowingly.

 

[Marener]

So what - still the same. She committed fraud exactly the same.
Exactly.
She rented out a home she claimed she would occupy, and received tax benefits because of it.
That is fraud.
And she did it 100% knowingly.

So what? You were caught spouting lies. Now you’re shifting your story.

Who did she rent it out to? Was there a lease? How long did they stay there?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So what? You were caught spouting lies. Now you’re shifting your story.

Who did she rent it out to? Was there a lease? How long did they stay there?

You would think that.
Typical
Dismissed

 

[Marener]

You would think that.
Typical
Dismissed

You lied and don’t care.

Or too stupid to know the truth.

As such, you have nothing.

 

[WorldWatcher]

She rented the property out. Mortgage rates are higher for investment property than a second home.

Since this was a criminal prosecution meaning subpoena power where there any:

• Rental agreements between James and her niece?
• Bank records showing regular (as in monthly for example) payments from the niece for any type of rental payment either to James or to any type of holding company managing the property?

WW

 

[MarcATL]

The facts weren't considered here. Is she a liberal? Ok, then she walks away scott free.

Because you say so?

 

[progressive hunter]