Grand Jury returns a no bill in indicting Letitia James

[MarcATL]

USC 18 1014
USC 18 1344

Apparently not, according to the jury who was privy to all the facts of the case.

Try again....

 

[SweetTea]

Apparently not, according to the jury who was privy to all the facts of the case.

Try again....

Yeah, those on the grand jury are non-biased and educated in law. Please. She clearly broke that statutes. That really isn’t in question. The question really was did she do it knowingly and how much did she gain by doing so. A “small” gain relative to a billionarire isn’t small to the average person. A “small” gain to James seemed small to the average person. The reality is, if Trump did it, James did it, but the amount of gain and politics played a huge role.

 

[MarcATL]

Yeah, those on the grand jury are non-biased and educated in law. Please. She clearly broke that statutes. That really isn’t in question. The question really was did she do it knowingly and how much did she gain by doing so.

She stated that she has multiple properties and that one was her primary residence and the other wasn't.

How, exactly, did she commit any type of fraud?

 

[SweetTea]

She stated that she has multiple properties and that one was her primary residence and the other wasn't.

How, exactly, did she commit any type of fraud?

She rented the property out. Mortgage rates are higher for investment property than a second home.

 

[forkup]

Lol, alvin bragg had to fanagle a crime to charge trump. Other people passed on the case, and even when Bragg filed the charges, other NY attorneys gave him the side eye because they thought the case was a bad case.

And yes, I know they got a jury to convict trump and I am contrasting, we see that, in 2 cases here, leftys will get away with it because nobody ever holds them accountable.

I see. So your entire model of the world boils down to this:

– If a Democrat isn’t indicted, it’s because the system is corrupt.
– If Trump is indicted and convicted, it’s because the system is corrupt.

Every outcome becomes proof of the same thing.

Ever consider the simpler explanation?
Maybe Trump committed crimes and the people he points at… didn’t.

I know it's a revolutionary idea but maybe Trump is just a corrupt individual.

 

[berg80]

Anyone surprised?

No. It is a vindictive prosecution start to finish, lacking sufficient evidence to bring charges. The grand jury realized that.

 

[berg80]

I see. So your entire model of the world boils down to this:

– If a Democrat isn’t indicted, it’s because the system is corrupt.
– If Trump is indicted and convicted, it’s because the system is corrupt.

Every outcome becomes proof of the same thing.

Ever consider the simpler explanation?
Maybe Trump committed crimes and the people he points at… didn’t.

I know it's a revolutionary idea but maybe Trump is just a corrupt individual.

Their entire world view relies on suspending reality. They won't give it up easily.

 

[Mac1958]

I know it's a revolutionary idea but maybe Trump is just a corrupt individual.

In their reality, he is the exact opposite. Sent by God to save us from Satan.

Astonishing, troubling, expasperating.

 

[Independent thinker]

Grand jury declines to re-indict Letitia James in Virginia

The Department of Justice was unable to secure a grand jury indictment against New York Attorney General Letitia James in Norfolk, Virginia, a source said.

www.foxnews.com

So, let me ask this for all those who claim James committed crimes.

To DOJ tried to re-indict her. In order to succeed they need to get 12 out of 23 to agree that there MIGHT have been a crime committed. They couldn't do that.

So how strong of a case do you think the DOJ has when the standard in a court case is a unanimous decision that a crime was committed beyond a reasonable doubt?

So we had a jury made up of mostly lefties.

 

[forkup]

You would have to find 23 people who have no idea who she is, and never heard of her.
That is a tall order. Anyone paying even nominal attention to news for several years knows she is the woman who went after Trump anyway she could.
Every Democrat in the room is going to be an automatic "No" - so trying to circumvent that is almost impossible.
Trump hate tops everything to Democrats. Everything.

So let me get this straight. You think a random person who identifies as a Democrat will automatically ignore their civic duty and vote based solely on politics?

And this doesn’t work the other way around? Are all Republicans magically immune when it comes to James?

Here’s a reality check: most people don’t obsess over politics. They live their lives and think about it occasionally at best.

Combine that with the fact that grand juries are drawn randomly, the odds that 23 jurors would all be partisan Democrats are… pretty low. As in not a snowball chance in hell.

Partisan fantasy ≠ grand jury reality.

 

[forkup]

So we had a jury made up of mostly lefties.

So let me get this straight. You think a random person who identifies as a Democrat will automatically ignore their civic duty and vote based solely on politics?

And this doesn’t work the other way around? Are all Republicans magically immune when it comes to James?

Here’s a reality check: most people don’t obsess over politics. They live their lives and think about it occasionally at best.

Combine that with the fact that grand juries are drawn randomly, the odds that 23 jurors would all be partisan Democrats are… pretty low. As in not a snowball chance in hell.

Partisan fantasy ≠ grand jury reality.

You guys are so incredibly predictably stuck in your bubble. I think you're last "independent" thought occured during the Reagan administration.

 

[SaxonJackson]

No. It is a vindictive prosecution start to finish, lacking sufficient evidence to bring charges. The grand jury realized that.

The entire "two-party"system is one giant psyop. These days, innocent people are jailed and guilty people either live their lives without investigation or prosecution or are set free. (Epstein pedos and Honduran drug kingpins, etc.). Up is now down and down is up. Right is wrong and wrong is right. I seem to remember a biblical prophecy warning us of this sort of thing.

Washington D.C. = Three Ring Circus

 

[Marener]

She clearly broke that statutes. That really isn’t in question.

Is it? I don’t think you know the facts of the case. I bet you can’t even describe the supposed crime.

 

[forkup]

Or, they weren't trying to "fry" her

Considering she was the one being indicted, it's pretty obvious to tried to "fry her".

That's how indictments work, prosecutors trying to show to a Grand Jury that the person being indicted committed a crime.

 

[Marener]

She rented the property out. Mortgage rates are higher for investment property than a second home.

Who did she supposedly rent it out to? Did you see a lease? How long was the lease? What were the terms?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Cite the statute she broke.

She gave some damn good mortgage application strategy.

 

[forkup]

Yeah, those on the grand jury are non-biased and educated in law. Please. She clearly broke that statutes. That really isn’t in question. The question really was did she do it knowingly and how much did she gain by doing so. A “small” gain relative to a billionarire isn’t small to the average person. A “small” gain to James seemed small to the average person. The reality is, if Trump did it, James did it, but the amount of gain and politics played a huge role.

Let’s be clear: grand jurors are not trained in law. I doubt you are either.

Unlike you, they at least have the benefit of people who are explaining the law to them. More precisely the same people whose job it is to secure an indictment. That’s one of the many structural advantages a prosecutor enjoys in the grand jury process.

And yet… this grand jury still didn’t indict.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So let me get this straight. You think a random person who identifies as a Democrat will automatically ignore their civic duty and vote based solely on politics?

YEs - now you get it.

And this doesn’t work the other way around? Are all Republicans magically immune when it comes to James?

I am sure it does work the other way around, but not to the same extent. Over the past 5 years, especially, Democrats have openly engaged in ignoring basic facts (like what a female is) way-way more than conservatives.

Here’s a reality check: most people don’t obsess over politics. They live their lives and think about it occasionally at best.

Which is why the system is as broke as it is. They watch CNN/Fox and they accept whatever they are told.

Combine that with the fact that grand juries are drawn randomly, the odds that 23 jurors would all be partisan Democrats are… pretty low. As in not a snowball chance in hell.

That is delusional.

Partisan fantasy ≠ grand jury reality.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So . . . should the justice department put the James investigations into the dead case file, or should they keep digging, looking for levarage on people who could witness against lettie, looking for any possible charges, using the courts to spy on her operations and even her legal team?

Well . . . what would Leticia do? What would Jack Smith have done? What would Peter Strozk have done?

Exactly.

Boy . . . being in control of the justice system is like a football game in which your side gets to add on more quarters until it can claim a win. I see why the Democrats enjoyed this for nine years.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So . . . should the justice department put the James investigations into the dead case file, or should they keep digging, looking for levarage on people who could witness against lettie, looking for any possible charges, using the courts to spy on her operations and even her legal team?

Well . . . what would Leticia do? What would Jack Smith have done? What would Peter Strozk have done?

Exactly.

Boy . . . being in control of the justice system is like a football game in which your side gets to add on more quarters until it can claim a win. I see why the Democrats enjoyed this for nine years.

Democrats have turned the justice system into a political war machine.
Where prosecutors literally go after someone with NO knowledge of any crime committed, and no evidence of a crime.
They simply pick a person, and investigate the hell out of them - HOPING - to find something. Anything. Including accepting information from opposing political organizations with TONS of donated funds - with whatever they have found - WITHOUT - warrants.

The system is built to have search warrants to protect citizens from this very thing. So what do that do? They use information given to them from opposition organizers that was obtained without a warrant. And they can legally do that. But that goes against everything our system is supposed to do to protect people against over zealous prosecutors targeting people.