Government routinely violates the separation of church and state.

[EdwinAMartin]

God wrote laws especially for the Israelites, which are reflected in our laws today. We are not descended from the Sumerians, Persians, or Babylonians. It is likely that Israel knew very little about their laws. However, they were under the laws of Egypt for centuries.

Abraham more likely came from a region in Turkey, not Babylonia. Jews were not all living in Egypt in Mose's days. There were Jews living in Palestine before and during those times. And yes, they developed their own unique theology and legal system. You are correct in that. The 'Ur of the Chaldeans' didn't exist until a thousand years after Abram's journey to Canaan, and his route and the place names are more in line with coming from a region in Turkey.

Urfa and Harran are also 'east of the Euphrates'.

In Search of Abraham’s Birthplace: Between Urfa and Ur - TheTorah.com

The Bible consistently points to Aram in Northern Syria as Abraham’s place of origin. However, in a prequel added during the Babylonian exile, a later biblical author introduces Abram as being born in the famous city of Ur, near Babylon in Southern Iraq, from which he then migrates to Aram. When...

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There are several claims, but the Urfa origin is the best fit in my humble opinion, with the 'Ur of the Chaldeans' claim merely the Babylonian claims merely the Jews in exile sucking up to somebody.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Not as written law. The Ten Commandments came first in 1200 BCE using the earliest hypothesis. When Did Moses Receive The Ten Commandments?
The date is corroborated using established historical records such as the reign of Ramses II.

The following written law, did not happen until roughly 1750 and the Code of Hammurabi. Our laws are based on both but the Ten Commandments did come first.

Jewish law is a unique development in history, correct, and based on their own unique monotheistic theology. people trying to attribute everything as 'stolen from the Mesopotamians' are just being lazy and hoping to discredit the Hebrews' unique inventions, and by doing so hoping to legitimize their own fantasy versions of history to suit themselves and peddle some fetish or other. We see the same tactics with the Gnostic rubbish and the Walther Bauer-Elaine Pagels nonsense claims.

" Da Sumerians had feet, therefore they invented feet first and Jews got their feet from them."

Such is the 'logic' being used, probably from watching too many Three Stooges episodes.

 

[jacksonlamb]

There is no law regarding the separation of church and state. That's a myth.

You are a myth in your own mind.

 

[TNHarley]

Not as written law. The Ten Commandments came first in 1200 BCE using the earliest hypothesis. When Did Moses Receive The Ten Commandments?
The date is corroborated using established historical records such as the reign of Ramses II.

The following written law, did not happen until roughly 1750 and the Code of Hammurabi. Our laws are based on both but the Ten Commandments did come first.

Lol

 

[jacksonlamb]

The Code of Hammurabi came first. The best‑supported dates place Hammurabi’s code around 1754 BCE, while the Mosaic Law—traditionally associated with Moses—is placed centuries later, around 1446 BCE in traditional chronology (with scholarly estimates varying).

lawshun.com/article/was-moses-law-copied-from-code-of-hammurabi?utm_source=copilot.com

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I realized that shortly after I posted. Which means? Nothing really.

 

[progressive hunter]

If you violate the commandments regarding murder, theft, or perjury the state will put you in prison.

seperation of church and state does not exist in the constitution,,

 

[progressive hunter]

The Code of Hammurabi came first. The best‑supported dates place Hammurabi’s code around 1754 BCE, while the Mosaic Law—traditionally associated with Moses—is placed centuries later, around 1446 BCE in traditional chronology (with scholarly estimates varying).

lawshun.com/article/was-moses-law-copied-from-code-of-hammurabi?utm_source=copilot.com

can you show me where the constitution says "separation of church and state"??

 

[jacksonlamb]

can you show me where the constitution says "separation of church and state"??

Can you show me where it does not? You can't ignore no test oaths, you can't ignore no established church.

You have every right to your faith but not to put it in my faith.

 

[progressive hunter]

Can you show me where it does not? You can't ignore no test oaths, you can't ignore no established church.

You have every right to your faith but not to put it in my faith.

shit thats easy,,

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Mod Edit: People can read the Constitution for themselves at the link. We don't need the entire thing copied and pasted.

 

[jacksonlamb]

SCOTUS rules, not Progressive Hunter. Simple enough. P G fails again.

 

[jotathought]

If you violate the commandments regarding murder, theft, or perjury the state will put you in prison.

That’s a pretty strange standard. The government doesn’t arrest people for violating the First Commandment, skipping church, worshipping another god, or taking the Lord’s name in vain.

The fact that some religious rules overlap with basic societal rules doesn’t mean the government is enforcing religion. It means murder and theft are bad ideas whether you’re religious or not.

 

[progressive hunter]

SCOTUS rules, not Progressive Hunter. Simple enough. P G fails again.

you asked for proof it doesnt exist and I gave it to you,,

can you post the SCOTUS decision that showed separation of church and state exist in our laws??

and next time dont try and hide by not responding directly to me hoping I dont see it,,

 

[jacksonlamb]

you asked for proof it doesnt exist and I gave it to you,,

can you post the SCOTUS decision that showed separation of church and state exist in our laws??

and next time dont try and hide by not responding directly to me hoping I dont see it,,

No, you did not. You don't get to interpret the Constitution with any authority.

You are wrong. Next time, don't try to fool you way out of a mistake, because you will be caught every time.

 

[progressive hunter]

No, you did not. You don't get to interpret the Constitution with any authority.

You are wrong. Next time, don't try to fool you way out of a mistake, because you will be caught every time.

I didnt interpret anything,,

you asked where it didnt say it and I provided proof it doesnt exist and you have provided nothing that it does,,

 

[progressive hunter]

No, you did not. You don't get to interpret the Constitution with any authority.

You are wrong. Next time, don't try to fool you way out of a mistake, because you will be caught every time.

I didnt interpret anything,, I provided proof it doesnt exist in our laws or founding documents,,

now back up your claim and provide proof of separation of church and state,,

 

[jacksonlamb]

I didnt interpret anything,, I provided proof it doesnt exist in our laws or founding documents,,

now back up your claim and provide proof of separation of church and state,,

You did no such thing. Now back up your claim with real evidence.

 

[progressive hunter]

You did no such thing. Now back up your claim with real evidence.

the constitution is real evidence dumbass,,

Full Text of the U.S. Constitution | Constitution Center

Read and share the complete text of the United States Constitution.

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[jacksonlamb]

the constitution is real evidence dumbass,,

Full Text of the U.S. Constitution | Constitution Center

Read and share the complete text of the United States Constitution.

constitutioncenter.org

Your interp of it is not.

 

[progressive hunter]

Your interp of it is not.

I didnt interpret anything,, I provided undeniable proof what you said is wrong,,

you have provided nothing but opinion,,