GOOD NEWS for Trump supporters: The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump

For example, operating in an alliance, where we pay a larger than our fair share of the defense spending, provide more of the military power and end up entangled in alliances that are more likely to drag US into other people's problems than get US help with ours,

Think of the alliance as a Basketball team.

A “Me First” strategy means I take every shot I can get and let the others worry about their own shots. I may score more, but the team as a whole loses.

In a “Team” strategy, I pass to the open man and they pass to me. Each player does not expect the same number of shots and plays a role. Some are scorers, some give assists, some play defense. As a whole the team wins.


i made real points about the real situation.

In response you want to change the discussion to a poor analogy.


Asking our allies to carry their fair share of the burden, is not US being unfair. That we have to hassle them to do their fair share is them being slackers.



We can't afford to carry them any more. We are in an unsustainable financial situation.


You posted a gish gallop list, so that your pile of accusations would support each other.


I have refuted one of them. This undermines your whole list.


Would you like to actually address the points I made about Defense, or would you like to move on to another point I can crush so as to completely discredit you list ?
 
America First means America Alone which makes us weaker
They haven't yet figured out that these are no longer the 1950's.

and they never will...
Not as long as they exist in that bubble.
Man, you chumps just created an entire division of straw men! :auiqs.jpg:

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The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump ?

So your "advanced" world prefers brutal dictators? Who'd have guessed it?


Chinese Death Squads - She said the Communists were not fair.....
View attachment 400549

Putin kills opponents with Radiation Poisoning
26lyall_CA0.600.jpg

Trump supported Putin in killing his rivals. He refused to believe or condemn Russian bounties on our soldiers.

Trump supported Kim Jong Un in the Otto Warmbier killing. Why wouldn’t he believe Kim’s denial?

Trump supported the Saudi Arabian Royal Family in the brutal execution of Khashoggi. Military contracts were more valuable.

That is why the US has fallen in global respect


Nice gish gallop of shit you have there.

I agree

Trump pandering to violent dictators is Gish gallop
 
The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump ?

So your "advanced" world prefers brutal dictators? Who'd have guessed it?


Chinese Death Squads - She said the Communists were not fair.....
View attachment 400549

Putin kills opponents with Radiation Poisoning
26lyall_CA0.600.jpg

Trump supported Putin in killing his rivals. He refused to believe or condemn Russian bounties on our soldiers.

Trump supported Kim Jong Un in the Otto Warmbier killing. Why wouldn’t he believe Kim’s denial?

Trump supported the Saudi Arabian Royal Family in the brutal execution of Khashoggi. Military contracts were more valuable.

That is why the US has fallen in global respect


Nice gish gallop of shit you have there.

I agree

Trump pandering to violent dictators is Gish gallop



Your pretense of being to stupid to understand my clear post is credible.

But, I'm still not buying it.


I accept your admission of defeat.
 
For example, operating in an alliance, where we pay a larger than our fair share of the defense spending, provide more of the military power and end up entangled in alliances that are more likely to drag US into other people's problems than get US help with ours,

Think of the alliance as a Basketball team.

A “Me First” strategy means I take every shot I can get and let the others worry about their own shots. I may score more, but the team as a whole loses.

In a “Team” strategy, I pass to the open man and they pass to me. Each player does not expect the same number of shots and plays a role. Some are scorers, some give assists, some play defense. As a whole the team wins.


i made real points about the real situation.

In response you want to change the discussion to a poor analogy.


Asking our allies to carry their fair share of the burden, is not US being unfair. That we have to hassle them to do their fair share is them being slackers.



We can't afford to carry them any more. We are in an unsustainable financial situation.


You posted a gish gallop list, so that your pile of accusations would support each other.


I have refuted one of them. This undermines your whole list.


Would you like to actually address the points I made about Defense, or would you like to move on to another point I can crush so as to completely discredit you list ?

Your solution is a solution of failure.

Every man for himself is not a solution. For the past 80 years, the US has operated as part of a global alliance.
It has made us stronger and wealthier and safer
 
The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump ?

So your "advanced" world prefers brutal dictators? Who'd have guessed it?


Chinese Death Squads - She said the Communists were not fair.....
View attachment 400549

Putin kills opponents with Radiation Poisoning
26lyall_CA0.600.jpg

Trump supported Putin in killing his rivals. He refused to believe or condemn Russian bounties on our soldiers.

Trump supported Kim Jong Un in the Otto Warmbier killing. Why wouldn’t he believe Kim’s denial?

Trump supported the Saudi Arabian Royal Family in the brutal execution of Khashoggi. Military contracts were more valuable.

That is why the US has fallen in global respect


Nice gish gallop of shit you have there.

I agree

Trump pandering to violent dictators is Gish gallop



Your pretense of being to stupid to understand my clear post is credible.

But, I'm still not buying it.


I accept your admission of defeat.

Trump shamelessly panders to ruthless dictators.
Putin, Kim and Bin Salman

Doesn’t matter if it helps Trumps personal interests
 
For example, operating in an alliance, where we pay a larger than our fair share of the defense spending, provide more of the military power and end up entangled in alliances that are more likely to drag US into other people's problems than get US help with ours,

Think of the alliance as a Basketball team.

A “Me First” strategy means I take every shot I can get and let the others worry about their own shots. I may score more, but the team as a whole loses.

In a “Team” strategy, I pass to the open man and they pass to me. Each player does not expect the same number of shots and plays a role. Some are scorers, some give assists, some play defense. As a whole the team wins.


i made real points about the real situation.

In response you want to change the discussion to a poor analogy.


Asking our allies to carry their fair share of the burden, is not US being unfair. That we have to hassle them to do their fair share is them being slackers.



We can't afford to carry them any more. We are in an unsustainable financial situation.


You posted a gish gallop list, so that your pile of accusations would support each other.


I have refuted one of them. This undermines your whole list.


Would you like to actually address the points I made about Defense, or would you like to move on to another point I can crush so as to completely discredit you list ?

Your solution is a solution of failure.

Every man for himself is not a solution. For the past 80 years, the US has operated as part of a global alliance.
It has made us stronger and wealthier and safer


Wanting our allies to carry their fair share of the burden, is not "every man for himself".

That you have to lie like that, is an admission that you know your position is complete bullshit.



This is about the rest of the world being fucked up, not anything wrong with US.
 
America First means America Alone which makes us weaker
They haven't yet figured out that these are no longer the 1950's.

and they never will...
Not as long as they exist in that bubble.
Man, you chumps just created an entire division of straw men! :auiqs.jpg:

View attachment 400558
Dittos Rush!
Adding another regiment to the army, are we ? :auiqs.jpg: :laugh2: :rofl::banana:
 
America First means America Alone which makes us weaker
They haven't yet figured out that these are no longer the 1950's.

and they never will...
Not as long as they exist in that bubble.
Man, you chumps just created an entire division of straw men! :auiqs.jpg:

View attachment 400558
Dittos Rush!
Adding another regiment to the army, are we ? :auiqs.jpg: :laugh2: :rofl::banana:
:confused-84:
 
The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump ?

So your "advanced" world prefers brutal dictators? Who'd have guessed it?


Chinese Death Squads - She said the Communists were not fair.....
View attachment 400549

Putin kills opponents with Radiation Poisoning
26lyall_CA0.600.jpg

Trump supported Putin in killing his rivals. He refused to believe or condemn Russian bounties on our soldiers.

Trump supported Kim Jong Un in the Otto Warmbier killing. Why wouldn’t he believe Kim’s denial?

Trump supported the Saudi Arabian Royal Family in the brutal execution of Khashoggi. Military contracts were more valuable.

That is why the US has fallen in global respect


Nice gish gallop of shit you have there.

I agree

Trump pandering to violent dictators is Gish gallop



Your pretense of being to stupid to understand my clear post is credible.

But, I'm still not buying it.


I accept your admission of defeat.

Trump shamelessly panders to ruthless dictators.
Putin, Kim and Bin Salman

Doesn’t matter if it helps Trumps personal interests


Putin is the ruler of Russia. Our policy towards Russia should be one of Peace as the Cold War is over and we have no conflicts of interests.


Any push to needless confrontation, is stupid and dangerous, and to the extent that people like you push us towards war, for partisan political gain,


you are vile beyond measure.


That is your second point crushed. Your list was a list of garbage.


(I'm jumping the gun a bit, assuming you will not be able to counter my counter point, based on the fact that you never do, and generally just talk shit).
 
America First means America Alone which makes us weaker
They haven't yet figured out that these are no longer the 1950's.

and they never will...
Not as long as they exist in that bubble.

A harkening back to the 1950's represents a period of rightwing nostalgia - enemies were the "commies", white men ruled, women and minorities knew their place and Leave it to Beaver reigned supreme.

Unfortunately, Commies are largely gone beyond Che t-shirts and short lived youthful political outcries. McCarthy was shown to be awful, women are not about to go back to doing housework in heels, gays aren't heading to the closets in droves, and we've had a black president. Which probably set off a lot of this.
 
The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump ?

So your "advanced" world prefers brutal dictators? Who'd have guessed it?


Chinese Death Squads - She said the Communists were not fair.....
View attachment 400549

Putin kills opponents with Radiation Poisoning
26lyall_CA0.600.jpg

Trump supported Putin in killing his rivals. He refused to believe or condemn Russian bounties on our soldiers.

Trump supported Kim Jong Un in the Otto Warmbier killing. Why wouldn’t he believe Kim’s denial?

Trump supported the Saudi Arabian Royal Family in the brutal execution of Khashoggi. Military contracts were more valuable.

That is why the US has fallen in global respect


Nice gish gallop of shit you have there.

I agree

Trump pandering to violent dictators is Gish gallop



Your pretense of being to stupid to understand my clear post is credible.

But, I'm still not buying it.


I accept your admission of defeat.

Trump shamelessly panders to ruthless dictators.
Putin, Kim and Bin Salman

Doesn’t matter if it helps Trumps personal interests


Putin is the ruler of Russia. Our policy towards Russia should be one of Peace as the Cold War is over and we have no conflicts of interests.


Any push to needless confrontation, is stupid and dangerous, and to the extent that people like you push us towards war, for partisan political gain,


you are vile beyond measure.


That is your second point crushed. Your list was a list of garbage.


(I'm jumping the gun a bit, assuming you will not be able to counter my counter point, based on the fact that you never do, and generally just talk shit).

Like you're doing with China?
 
America First means America Alone which makes us weaker
They haven't yet figured out that these are no longer the 1950's.

and they never will...
Not as long as they exist in that bubble.

A harkening back to the 1950's represents a period of rightwing nostalgia - enemies were the "commies", white men ruled, women and minorities knew their place and Leave it to Beaver reigned supreme.

Unfortunately, Commies are largely gone beyond Che t-shirts and short lived youthful political outcries. McCarthy was shown to be awful, women are not about to go back to doing housework in heels, gays aren't heading to the closets in droves, and we've had a black president. Which probably set off a lot of this.
Well, this adoration of Trump is cultural and sociological as much as political. They see the country and world are changing, it terrifies them, and so they elected a hand grenade to stop it.

They did slow it down, give them that. But they know that's all they can do. I'll let them stew in their misery and paranoia. They've damn well earned it.
 
America First means America Alone which makes us weaker
They haven't yet figured out that these are no longer the 1950's.

and they never will...
Not as long as they exist in that bubble.

A harkening back to the 1950's represents a period of rightwing nostalgia - enemies were the "commies", white men ruled, women and minorities knew their place and Leave it to Beaver reigned supreme.

Unfortunately, Commies are largely gone beyond Che t-shirts and short lived youthful political outcries. McCarthy was shown to be awful, women are not about to go back to doing housework in heels, gays aren't heading to the closets in droves, and we've had a black president. Which probably set off a lot of this.
The 1950s...An era of Murican membership in the U.N., NATO, and the invasion of the Korean peninsula.

And you chunkheads call that the "Murica alone" decade.

Stop it....I'm busting a gut over here laughing at you clowns!

point-and-laugh.jpg
 
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For example, operating in an alliance, where we pay a larger than our fair share of the defense spending, provide more of the military power and end up entangled in alliances that are more likely to drag US into other people's problems than get US help with ours,

Think of the alliance as a Basketball team.

A “Me First” strategy means I take every shot I can get and let the others worry about their own shots. I may score more, but the team as a whole loses.

In a “Team” strategy, I pass to the open man and they pass to me. Each player does not expect the same number of shots and plays a role. Some are scorers, some give assists, some play defense. As a whole the team wins.


i made real points about the real situation.

In response you want to change the discussion to a poor analogy.


Asking our allies to carry their fair share of the burden, is not US being unfair. That we have to hassle them to do their fair share is them being slackers.



We can't afford to carry them any more. We are in an unsustainable financial situation.


You posted a gish gallop list, so that your pile of accusations would support each other.


I have refuted one of them. This undermines your whole list.


Would you like to actually address the points I made about Defense, or would you like to move on to another point I can crush so as to completely discredit you list ?

Your solution is a solution of failure.

Every man for himself is not a solution. For the past 80 years, the US has operated as part of a global alliance.
It has made us stronger and wealthier and safer


Wanting our allies to carry their fair share of the burden, is not "every man for himself".

That you have to lie like that, is an admission that you know your position is complete bullshit.



This is about the rest of the world being fucked up, not anything wrong with US.

And Trump decides what is fair

The US militany consumes 4.5 percent of our GDP. Most European countries do quite well at 2.5 percent.

The answer is not getting them to increase to 4.5 percent but getting us to drop below 3 percent.
 
America First means America Alone which makes us weaker
They haven't yet figured out that these are no longer the 1950's.

and they never will...
Not as long as they exist in that bubble.

A harkening back to the 1950's represents a period of rightwing nostalgia - enemies were the "commies", white men ruled, women and minorities knew their place and Leave it to Beaver reigned supreme.

Unfortunately, Commies are largely gone beyond Che t-shirts and short lived youthful political outcries. McCarthy was shown to be awful, women are not about to go back to doing housework in heels, gays aren't heading to the closets in droves, and we've had a black president. Which probably set off a lot of this.


Mac is the only one talkign about the 1950s. Over here in the real world, that is just a strawman he made up.


if you really want to discuss our Trump supporter views, talk to us about what they actually are, instead of a hard core lefty's fantasy about what they are.


Unless, you just want to talk shit in a circle jerk?
 
The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump ?

So your "advanced" world prefers brutal dictators? Who'd have guessed it?


Chinese Death Squads - She said the Communists were not fair.....
View attachment 400549

Putin kills opponents with Radiation Poisoning
26lyall_CA0.600.jpg

Trump supported Putin in killing his rivals. He refused to believe or condemn Russian bounties on our soldiers.

Trump supported Kim Jong Un in the Otto Warmbier killing. Why wouldn’t he believe Kim’s denial?

Trump supported the Saudi Arabian Royal Family in the brutal execution of Khashoggi. Military contracts were more valuable.

That is why the US has fallen in global respect


Nice gish gallop of shit you have there.

I agree

Trump pandering to violent dictators is Gish gallop



Your pretense of being to stupid to understand my clear post is credible.

But, I'm still not buying it.


I accept your admission of defeat.

Trump shamelessly panders to ruthless dictators.
Putin, Kim and Bin Salman

Doesn’t matter if it helps Trumps personal interests


Putin is the ruler of Russia. Our policy towards Russia should be one of Peace as the Cold War is over and we have no conflicts of interests.


Any push to needless confrontation, is stupid and dangerous, and to the extent that people like you push us towards war, for partisan political gain,


you are vile beyond measure.


That is your second point crushed. Your list was a list of garbage.


(I'm jumping the gun a bit, assuming you will not be able to counter my counter point, based on the fact that you never do, and generally just talk shit).

Like you're doing with China?


We want more balanced trade with China. That is a reasonable request.


Unless their leadership is insane, it should not lead to war.
 
The advanced world trusts Xi & Putin more than Trump ?

So your "advanced" world prefers brutal dictators? Who'd have guessed it?


Chinese Death Squads - She said the Communists were not fair.....
View attachment 400549

Putin kills opponents with Radiation Poisoning
26lyall_CA0.600.jpg

Trump supported Putin in killing his rivals. He refused to believe or condemn Russian bounties on our soldiers.

Trump supported Kim Jong Un in the Otto Warmbier killing. Why wouldn’t he believe Kim’s denial?

Trump supported the Saudi Arabian Royal Family in the brutal execution of Khashoggi. Military contracts were more valuable.

That is why the US has fallen in global respect


Nice gish gallop of shit you have there.

I agree

Trump pandering to violent dictators is Gish gallop



Your pretense of being to stupid to understand my clear post is credible.

But, I'm still not buying it.


I accept your admission of defeat.

Trump shamelessly panders to ruthless dictators.
Putin, Kim and Bin Salman

Doesn’t matter if it helps Trumps personal interests


Putin is the ruler of Russia. Our policy towards Russia should be one of Peace as the Cold War is over and we have no conflicts of interests.


Any push to needless confrontation, is stupid and dangerous, and to the extent that people like you push us towards war, for partisan political gain,


you are vile beyond measure.


That is your second point crushed. Your list was a list of garbage.


(I'm jumping the gun a bit, assuming you will not be able to counter my counter point, based on the fact that you never do, and generally just talk shit).

:auiqs.jpg:
 
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