Gone are pre-existing conditions if you vote for trump, and I know some trumpers are counting on the ACA

[francoHFW]

I want UHC care but the Dem's keep on voting against candidates that support that.

All Democrats want universal health Care and a living wage and help with daycare infrastructure etc like other modern countries. As usual I have no idea what you're talking about lol.

 

[francoHFW]

He's been in office almost 4 years...


why hasn't he done that yet?

the ACA is in front of the SC right now - they will be deciding on whether the whole thing, including ALL the protections ( not just the pre existing condition protection ) go ba bye.

mandated yearly physicals,
vaccinations,
mammogram & colonoscopy coverage,
maternity care & well child care,
catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps,
children staying on their parents' policies until the age of 26...

just to name a few.

they all get wiped out.

Just remember they are legal minds not brainwashed Republican base.

 

[badbob85037]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

So insurance magically changes because the magical muslim faggot said it did????

Yes it has changed and for the better. He is a Christian and married to a wonderful female.

I got an idea. Instead of telling all this doom and gloom on Trump that's all bull shit any way why don't you tell us why you are voting for Crusty Joe. I'll even get you started on your list.
1. because some other democRat told me to.
2. I love being taxed
3. I want Crackhead Joe to take all the guns and save me from the .50 caliber ceramic, hollow core, cop killing, bullet fIred out the barrel of a semi auto plastic assault Saturday night special dragging a ball and chain at 25,000 foot per second Joe warned me about the favorite of all criminals and terrorist.
4. I had a spelling bee with an Independent tree stump and lost.

 

[pknopp]

I want UHC care but the Dem's keep on voting against candidates that support that.

All Democrats want universal health Care and a living wage and help with daycare infrastructure etc like other modern countries. As usual I have no idea what you're talking about lol.

No they don't.

Obama rejects single payer

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

Biden suggests he would veto 'Medicare for All' over its price tag

Take your corporate whores and shove them.

 

[badbob85037]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
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They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

more doom and gloom if you vote for Trump you are going die. After what 0bala pulled to pass the biggest grab of my freedoms in my life why would I not vote against democrats the rest of my life. The affordable care act a bill like all the others. Called exactly what it's not. democrRats are real good at that.

 

[francoHFW]

I want UHC care but the Dem's keep on voting against candidates that support that.

All Democrats want universal health Care and a living wage and help with daycare infrastructure etc like other modern countries. As usual I have no idea what you're talking about lol.

No they don't.

Obama rejects single payer

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

Biden suggests he would veto 'Medicare for All' over its price tag

Take your corporate whores and shove them.

Biden wants to get elected, it's too easy for the Republicans to scare people like you with Communism. Obamacare would be universal without being single-payer -like the Netherlands and Switzerland period try and remain calm.

 

[francoHFW]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

more doom and gloom if you vote for Trump you are going die. After what 0bala pulled to pass the biggest grab of my freedoms in my life why would I not vote against democrats the rest of my life. The affordable care act a bill like all the others. Called exactly what it's not. democrRats are real good at that.

So fix it and stop being idiotic. It is actually the supposed GOP plan if they would actually vote for anything. The scumbags.

 

[kaz]

Seriously, don't you get it? Don't you understand that this kind of "we-know-better" bullying is exactly why people hate Democrats?

You hate Democrats because they refuse to bow down to your Orange Deity and him doing away with the Constitution of the United States. Shades of Circa 1930 Italy and look where that got them.

LOL - you should chat with kaz, you guys are totally on the same page.

You had to search for this one.

No searching required. It's an active thread.

Now as I was reading through your Biden quotes, I hit on poster after poster you were having the same argument with as me why you're a Biden boot licker

Yet you didn't find any quotes of me actually supporting Biden, did you? Just threads where I'm arguing with idiots, like you, who assume that if I don't support Trump, I must support Biden. Or the opposite, that because I don't support Biden, I must support Trump. Both claims are false.

Actually I made a specific argument with two specific points you are ignoring. The only reason you are doing that is you know you are wrong. People who are right don't ignore the argument given like you're doing

 

[Penelope]

He is such a brain, its already been done. What a dipshit tramp is.
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The historic action I’m taking today includes the first-ever executive order to affirm it is the official policy of the United States government to protect patients with preexisting conditions. So we’re making that official. (Applause.) We’re putting it down in a (inaudible) because our opponents, the Democrats, like to constantly talk about it, and yet preexisting conditions are much safer with us than they are with them. And now we have it affirmed. This is affirmed, signed, and done so we can put that to rest. They’ll say it anyway because it’s disinformation. (Applause.) Disinformation.

Remarks by President Trump on the America First Healthcare Plan | The White House
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TRUMP: “Over the next two weeks, I’ll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions for all customers. That’s a big thing. I’ve always been very strongly in favor. ... This has never been done before.”

THE FACTS: No executive order is needed to protect people with preexisting medical conditions because “Obamacare” already does that and it’s the law of the land. If Trump persuades the Supreme Court to overturn the Affordable Care Act as unconstitutional, it’s unclear what degree of protection an executive order would offer in place of the law.

The Obama health law states that “a group health plan and a health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion with respect to such plan or coverage.”

It’s dubious that any president could enact such protections through an executive order, or Obama would never have needed to go to Congress to get his health law passed. Likewise, President Bill Clinton could have simply used a presidential decree to enact his health plan, or major parts of it, after it failed to get through Congress.

“I can’t imagine what authority the president could invoke to require insurers to cover preexisting conditions if the Supreme Court does throw the ACA out,” said Larry Levitt, executive vice president for health policy at the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s false push on preexisting conditions

 

[pknopp]

I want UHC care but the Dem's keep on voting against candidates that support that.

All Democrats want universal health Care and a living wage and help with daycare infrastructure etc like other modern countries. As usual I have no idea what you're talking about lol.

No they don't.

Obama rejects single payer

Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

Biden suggests he would veto 'Medicare for All' over its price tag

Take your corporate whores and shove them.

Biden wants to get elected, it's too easy for the Republicans to scare people like you with Communism. Obamacare would be universal without being single-payer -like the Netherlands and Switzerland period try and remain calm.

LOL, another case showing what is wrong with this country. Why do you feel the need to lash out like this? Obamacare is NEVER going to be universal. It was never intended to be. Even at that, universal care where people still can not afford the deductibles and co-pays is worthless.

Obamacare was mostly a give away of our health care to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries to make sure the campaign donations continued to roll in.

You scare me more than the Republicans. At least they don't pretend to care.

 

[playtime]

There are different levels of plans. Bronze Plans are most exp. as far as deductibles and OOP max, those who get a Bronze Plan either are young and heathy, got money, or don't have money as they are the cheapest plans but they cover all existing PECS.

Bronze plans were the cheapest, high deductibles, around $1800 per person plus a $20 co-pay. You had to pay a monthly premium and had never got to the deductible and so you paid $9000 before the policy covered anything and then it was only 80%. Not sure how many people can afford to pay $9000 of insurance without it covering anything. My catastrophic was half that.

all the protections, such as the preventatives are covered 100% regardless of what plan you have. as for the deductibles... yep they are high, but the monthly premiums are subsidized.

My premium was not subsidized, the 100% of pre-existings didn't matter, all my visits were out of pocket because I never met my deductible. $9000 a year and I was previously paying around $3500 a year for catastrophic. I still never saw how the ACA helped people, if you couldn't afford the premium, how could you afford the deductibles?

if you have a policy & stay in network, you tend to pay less than straight out cash & what you pay does go to the deductible. i assume you were fairly healthy with nochronic issues like diabetes or HBP?

I stay in policy and stay in network, the deductible is $1800, the premium over $600 a month. I go to the doc maybe twice a year. The wellness check for some reason I keep paying for, I thought that was covered but I have been told no. I used to pay $3500 a year before the ACA and I thought that was spendy.

if you discuss anything outside the realm of a 'physical' then it's considered a seperate office visit & you will get billed for the copay. ya, that's stupid AF, agreed.

you get no subsidies at all?

Nope, and I hope to never qualify. I dislike taking other peoples money.

if you pay taxes, then it's YOUR own money as well.

 

[Penelope]

There are different levels of plans. Bronze Plans are most exp. as far as deductibles and OOP max, those who get a Bronze Plan either are young and heathy, got money, or don't have money as they are the cheapest plans but they cover all existing PECS.

Bronze plans were the cheapest, high deductibles, around $1800 per person plus a $20 co-pay. You had to pay a monthly premium and had never got to the deductible and so you paid $9000 before the policy covered anything and then it was only 80%. Not sure how many people can afford to pay $9000 of insurance without it covering anything. My catastrophic was half that.

all the protections, such as the preventatives are covered 100% regardless of what plan you have. as for the deductibles... yep they are high, but the monthly premiums are subsidized.

My premium was not subsidized, the 100% of pre-existings didn't matter, all my visits were out of pocket because I never met my deductible. $9000 a year and I was previously paying around $3500 a year for catastrophic. I still never saw how the ACA helped people, if you couldn't afford the premium, how could you afford the deductibles?

if you have a policy & stay in network, you tend to pay less than straight out cash & what you pay does go to the deductible. i assume you were fairly healthy with nochronic issues like diabetes or HBP?

I stay in policy and stay in network, the deductible is $1800, the premium over $600 a month. I go to the doc maybe twice a year. The wellness check for some reason I keep paying for, I thought that was covered but I have been told no. I used to pay $3500 a year before the ACA and I thought that was spendy.

if you discuss anything outside the realm of a 'physical' then it's considered a seperate office visit & you will get billed for the copay. ya, that's stupid AF, agreed.

you get no subsidies at all?

Nope, and I hope to never qualify. I dislike taking other peoples money.

if you pay taxes, then it's YOUR own money as well.

He must not pay taxes.

 

[playtime]

There are different levels of plans. Bronze Plans are most exp. as far as deductibles and OOP max, those who get a Bronze Plan either are young and heathy, got money, or don't have money as they are the cheapest plans but they cover all existing PECS.

Bronze plans were the cheapest, high deductibles, around $1800 per person plus a $20 co-pay. You had to pay a monthly premium and had never got to the deductible and so you paid $9000 before the policy covered anything and then it was only 80%. Not sure how many people can afford to pay $9000 of insurance without it covering anything. My catastrophic was half that.

all the protections, such as the preventatives are covered 100% regardless of what plan you have.

Those aren't "protections". They're regulations forcing coverage that many consumers don't want.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they just made individual policies akin to group policies. everybody has the same coverage.

Why should everyone be forced to have the same coverage? Why not let people decide for themselves how to manage their health care? Do we really need government dictating this?

the same BASIC coverage. then one can purchase more if they wish. that same BASIC coverage equates to lower premiums, copays etc, taxes for everyone if illness' are caught early & cured/managed b4 they get outa control & uninsured/under insured, sicker people take up hospital beds or need more complex disease management that YOU ultimately end up paying for because bighealthcorp wants a fat bottom line in favor of their CEO & board of directors.

duh.

 

[dblack]

Seriously, don't you get it? Don't you understand that this kind of "we-know-better" bullying is exactly why people hate Democrats?

You hate Democrats because they refuse to bow down to your Orange Deity and him doing away with the Constitution of the United States. Shades of Circa 1930 Italy and look where that got them.

LOL - you should chat with kaz, you guys are totally on the same page.

You had to search for this one.

No searching required. It's an active thread.

Now as I was reading through your Biden quotes, I hit on poster after poster you were having the same argument with as me why you're a Biden boot licker

Yet you didn't find any quotes of me actually supporting Biden, did you? Just threads where I'm arguing with idiots, like you, who assume that if I don't support Trump, I must support Biden. Or the opposite, that because I don't support Biden, I must support Trump. Both claims are false.

Actually I made a specific argument with two specific points you are ignoring. The only reason you are doing that is you know you are wrong. People who are right don't ignore the argument given like you're doing

I"ve addressed your "points" several times. But what the hell, what's another round? I searched history a bit and I'm assuming you're referring to this:

1) Show any quote where you refer to Biden supporters anything along the line of "Trumpster."

2) Show anywhere you say anything like this about Biden

These aren't points - just demands - but it seems like what you're trying to say is that because i don't have a silly name for Biden supporters, that means I am one. And that just doesn't make any sense. On the issues, I"m more critical of Democrats, and Biden, than I am of Trump.

The truth is I think Trump is a deplorable person and I think his supporters are largely deplorable people. I think he inspires the worst in people and he's s a terrible leader. That doesn't mean I support Democrats or Biden. I don't. But you're so fixated on the two-party shitshow you can't imagine another alternative.

 

[dblack]

all the protections, such as the preventatives are covered 100% regardless of what plan you have.

Those aren't "protections". They're regulations forcing coverage that many consumers don't want.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they just made individual policies akin to group policies. everybody has the same coverage.

Why should everyone be forced to have the same coverage? Why not let people decide for themselves how to manage their health care? Do we really need government dictating this?

the same BASIC coverage. then one can purchase more if they wish. that same BASIC coverage equates to lower premiums, copays etc, taxes for everyone if illness' are caught early & cured/managed b4 they get outa control & uninsured/under insured, sicker people take up hospital beds or need more complex disease management that YOU ultimately end up paying for because bighealthcorp wants a fat bottom line in favor of their CEO & board of directors.

duh.

Why should everyone be forced to have the same BASIC coverage? Why not let people decide for themselves how to manage their health care? Do we really need government dictating this?

 

[playtime]

All Social Corporation must meet minimum standards.

Why? Who says? And what the fuck is "All Social Corporation"?

It's more Socialism where everyone absorbs the cost for each of us.

No, that's what Democrats are trying to turn it into with legal mandates. Which is why the health insurance market is so fucked up.

It MUST meet certain minimum standards. If it doesn't then it can't be allowed to exist.

Why? Who says? Just because some "we-know-better" bullies want to force their views on others???

But tell you what, I have some insurance you may be interested in. How about Elephant Stampeded Insurance for Yosimite and Hurricane Insurance for Kansas. Now, that's not regulated. Stupid but not regulated. Right down your alley.

No, sorry. That doesn't sound like anything I'd be willing to pay for. But I suppose you can pass a law forcing me to buy it, if you're really hard up and have good lobbyists.

guess you didn't know that obamacare was based off of romeycare that was based off a (R) heathcare plan; doled out by the heritage foundation - who are (R)s.

 

[playtime]

All Social Corporation must meet minimum standards.

Why? Who says? And what the fuck is "All Social Corporation"?

It's more Socialism where everyone absorbs the cost for each of us.

No, that's what Democrats are trying to turn it into with legal mandates. Which is why the health insurance market is so fucked up.

It MUST meet certain minimum standards. If it doesn't then it can't be allowed to exist.

Why? Who says? Just because some "we-know-better" bullies want to force their views on others???

But tell you what, I have some insurance you may be interested in. How about Elephant Stampeded Insurance for Yosimite and Hurricane Insurance for Kansas. Now, that's not regulated. Stupid but not regulated. Right down your alley.

No, sorry. That doesn't sound like anything I'd be willing to pay for. But I suppose you can pass a law forcing me to buy it, if you're really hard up and have good lobbyists.

Then you don't need any insurance at all. Not on your health, your car nor your home. And if your House catches fire, that nasty Socialist Fired Department need not respond since you want no socialism in your life. But that is your choice, isn't it.

damn, i wish they brought back the 'winner' button.

 

[dblack]

guess you didn't know that obamacare was based off of romeycare that was based off a (R) heathcare plan; doled out by the heritage foundation - who are (R)s.

Why would you guess that?

 

[playtime]

All Social Corporation must meet minimum standards.

Why? Who says? And what the fuck is "All Social Corporation"?

It's more Socialism where everyone absorbs the cost for each of us.

No, that's what Democrats are trying to turn it into with legal mandates. Which is why the health insurance market is so fucked up.

It MUST meet certain minimum standards. If it doesn't then it can't be allowed to exist.

Why? Who says? Just because some "we-know-better" bullies want to force their views on others???

But tell you what, I have some insurance you may be interested in. How about Elephant Stampeded Insurance for Yosimite and Hurricane Insurance for Kansas. Now, that's not regulated. Stupid but not regulated. Right down your alley.

No, sorry. That doesn't sound like anything I'd be willing to pay for. But I suppose you can pass a law forcing me to buy it, if you're really hard up and have good lobbyists.

Then you don't need any insurance at all.

Let me spell it out for you: what I need is none of your business. It's my call, not yours. Not the government's. Got it?

you mean like the right for a female to choose an abortion if she wants/needs one?

 

[pknopp]

There are different levels of plans. Bronze Plans are most exp. as far as deductibles and OOP max, those who get a Bronze Plan either are young and heathy, got money, or don't have money as they are the cheapest plans but they cover all existing PECS.

Bronze plans were the cheapest, high deductibles, around $1800 per person plus a $20 co-pay. You had to pay a monthly premium and had never got to the deductible and so you paid $9000 before the policy covered anything and then it was only 80%. Not sure how many people can afford to pay $9000 of insurance without it covering anything. My catastrophic was half that.

all the protections, such as the preventatives are covered 100% regardless of what plan you have. as for the deductibles... yep they are high, but the monthly premiums are subsidized.

My premium was not subsidized, the 100% of pre-existings didn't matter, all my visits were out of pocket because I never met my deductible. $9000 a year and I was previously paying around $3500 a year for catastrophic. I still never saw how the ACA helped people, if you couldn't afford the premium, how could you afford the deductibles?

if you have a policy & stay in network, you tend to pay less than straight out cash & what you pay does go to the deductible. i assume you were fairly healthy with nochronic issues like diabetes or HBP?

I stay in policy and stay in network, the deductible is $1800, the premium over $600 a month. I go to the doc maybe twice a year. The wellness check for some reason I keep paying for, I thought that was covered but I have been told no. I used to pay $3500 a year before the ACA and I thought that was spendy.

if you discuss anything outside the realm of a 'physical' then it's considered a seperate office visit & you will get billed for the copay. ya, that's stupid AF, agreed.

you get no subsidies at all?

Nope, and I hope to never qualify. I dislike taking other peoples money.

if you pay taxes, then it's YOUR own money as well.

Seems I'm a communist for wanting it to go to the publics health as opposed to the pockets of the war mongers.