Zone1 God is a "Christian Nationalist?

[alang1216]

Are you punting on the question?

If you admit there are no other creation accounts that can be summarized as the universe was created and evolved sequentially over time we can move on to your question. But I think it's important that we put down your assertion that other religions had credible explanations that could be considered to be reasonable approximations to the universe was created and evolved sequentially over time which is what science says now.

Genesis says a God created the universe. Every religion says that:

A lotus flower grows from Lord Vishnu's navel, and Brahma sits on top of it. Brahma splits the flower into three parts to create the heavens, the earth, and the sky. Brahma then creates living things from the materials he has provided.​

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Sounds just like Genesis with NO evolution, just creations.

 

[kjw47]

You have no clue who will be living during the millennium and what all will be doing.

I have a clue, its you who don't. When one is taught by the darkness its where they are in darkness.

 

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You can offer evidence you were not on the grassy knoll but not proof

Do I need to have the evidence and proof discussion with you again?

 

[alang1216]

I was two years old when Kennedy was assassinated. I was ~280 miles from Dallas at the time. My alibi is pretty solid, don't you think? I can provide four credible eye witnesses if necessary.

Good evidence maybe but not proof. Birth certificates can be doctored and eye witness testimony is questionable.

Again... you can prove the God of Abraham did not create the universe by proving how the universe began without a cause, didn't begin at all or was created by something else.

Get to it.

Sorry but I can't prove how the universe was created, can you?

 

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A lotus flower grows from Lord Vishnu's navel, and Brahma sits on top of it. Brahma splits the flower into three parts to create the heavens, the earth, and the sky. Brahma then creates living things from the materials he has provided.

That's incorrect though. Genesis correctly states the universe was created and then everything else unfolded sequentially over time. Which is what happened. The Brama account has multiple creative acts. Genesis correctly identifies a single creative account. Everything else appeared as in "let there be." A key and correct distinction.

 

[alang1216]

Do I need to have the evidence and proof discussion with you again?

I hope not. If we didn't agree before, I doubt we'll agree now.

 

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Good evidence maybe but not proof. Birth certificates can be doctored and eye witness testimony is questionable.


Sorry but I can't prove how the universe was created, can you?

That argument cracks me up almost as much as your argument that the universe didn't begin.

You dismiss your defeats and ignore your incongruities. Tell me how the CMB got there without the universe being created from matter/energy that was not pre-existing? Can you do that?

 

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I hope not. If we didn't agree before, I doubt we'll agree now.

If I recall you ran away. Tell me more about your denial of the Big Bang. Why don't you explain how the evidence for the Big Bang isn't proof of the Big Bang?

I think the fact that I have you arguing against the Big Bang is evidence that you don't have a leg to stand on and proves you are in way over your head.

 

[alang1216]

That's incorrect though. Genesis correctly states the universe was created and then everything else unfolded sequentially over time. Which is what happened. The Brama account has multiple creative acts. Genesis correctly identifies a single creative account. Everything else appeared as in "let there be." A key and correct distinction.

Not even close:

And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.​

 

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Not even close:

And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.​

How many translations did you need to search for that? Maybe start with the Torah. Or any number of translations which accurately translate the Torah.

So you lost on the universe didn't begin. You lost that there was another religion that accurately describes the universe beginning and sequentially evolving over time. You lost on your interpretation that Genesis didn't claim the universe was created and sequentially evolved over time. And you still haven't even tried to prove the universe began without a cause or was created by something else.

 

[Cougarbear]

I have a clue, its you who don't. When one is taught by the darkness its where they are in darkness.

So, what will you be doing during the Millennium? Then, when you aren't chosen as one of the 144,000, what will you be doing for all eternity? If you can't answer this, then you are living in darkness. Come towards the light in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[kjw47]

So, what will you be doing during the Millennium? Then, when you aren't chosen as one of the 144,000, what will you be doing for all eternity? If you can't answer this, then you are living in darkness. Come towards the light in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

During the millennial Reign of Christ and his co rulers, all on earth will be working to turn Gods earth into a paradise, gradually being made back to perfection. They as well will be teaching the resurrected about Jesus and what he really taught. Many from OT days never heard the name Jesus. All eternity = living in perfection in a peaceful world where love is the motive of every mortal. Being happy everyday. Worshipping the true God Jehovah. No telling what God has in store for us. He only rested creating, i am positive he will amaze us even more how great and loving he is. Would be a great thing to meet you there.

 

[Cougarbear]

I thought Kamala Harris was the greatest at word salads. You take the cake! So much nonsense in one paragraph. All over the place without answering the questions on what you will be doing.

 

[alang1216]

That argument cracks me up almost as much as your argument that the universe didn't begin.

It did begin but it may have been born from a pre-existing form. I don't know.

You dismiss your defeats and ignore your incongruities.

No, I dismiss your authority to judge.

Tell me how the CMB got there without the universe being created from matter/energy that was not pre-existing? Can you do that?

I don't know any more than you know how a creator creates something from nothing.

 

[alang1216]

If I recall you ran away. Tell me more about your denial of the Big Bang. Why don't you explain how the evidence for the Big Bang isn't proof of the Big Bang?

I think the fact that I have you arguing against the Big Bang is evidence that you don't have a leg to stand on and proves you are in way over your head.

I never argued against a BB, something certainly happened. What I don't accept is that you know what preceded the BB.

 

[alang1216]

How many translations did you need to search for that? Maybe start with the Torah. Or any number of translations which accurately translate the Torah.

It was the first one that came up. Feel free to point me to a more accurate translation.

So you lost on the universe didn't begin.

No, you have yet to offer evidence that there was nothing before the BB or how the creator created.

You lost that there was another religion that accurately describes the universe beginning and sequentially evolving over time.

No, the Hindu myth is no less accurate than Genesis.

You lost on your interpretation that Genesis didn't claim the universe was created and sequentially evolved over time.

No since there is no evolution in Genesis, only creation. You can interpret it however you wish but that does not make it reality.

And you still haven't even tried to prove the universe began without a cause or was created by something else.

I never claimed to know. I've only claimed that you don't know either.

 

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It did begin but it may have been born from a pre-existing form. I don't know.


No, I dismiss your authority to judge.


I don't know any more than you know how a creator creates something from nothing.

Not possible for it to be pre-existing matter or energy. Literally impossible. That's what the science says.

You call my saying you dismiss your defeats and ignore your incongruities a judgment, I call it an observation.

Science tells us that the universe popped into existence through a cascading paired particle production event. Logic tells us the laws of nature were in place before that event and that the only "thing" which could have existed before that was no "thing." God is no "thing." God is an action. It's your perception of what God is or more accurately your lack of perception that is keeping you from understanding what I have been telling you. You are way too hung up on the God of Abraham. It seems you have an ax to grind with Christians.

 

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I never argued against a BB, something certainly happened. What I don't accept is that you know what preceded the BB.

The laws of nature preceded the universe because the universe was created according to the laws of quantum mechanics and conservation. The laws of nature are no "thing." No "thing" existed before the universe. God is no "thing." God is an action. An action is no "thing." Action is incorporeal. God is incorporeal. To us "things" God is a total mystery.

 

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It was the first one that came up. Feel free to point me to a more accurate translation.


No, you have yet to offer evidence that there was nothing before the BB or how the creator created.


No, the Hindu myth is no less accurate than Genesis.


No since there is no evolution in Genesis, only creation. You can interpret it however you wish but that does not make it reality.


I never claimed to know. I've only claimed that you don't know either.

Again... maybe read the Torah to discover your error.

I have explained in great detail how the universe began. For you to say otherwise is idiotic. What part of paired particle production do you not understand. I've even given you a link on the subject. Do you need for me to give it to you again?

Genesis states that God created the universe and that everything evolved sequentially over time. They even got light correct which was truly amazing. This disturbs you because it rocks your atheistic foundation. You do realize light did not appear when the universe was created, right?

 

[alang1216]

Not possible for it to be pre-existing matter or energy. Literally impossible. That's what the science says.

You call my saying you dismiss your defeats and ignore your incongruities a judgment, I call it an observation.

Science tells us that the universe popped into existence through a cascading paired particle production event. Logic tells us the laws of nature were in place before that event and that the only "thing" which could have existed before that was no "thing." God is no "thing." God is an action. It's your perception of what God is or more accurately your lack of perception that is keeping you from understanding what I have been telling you. You are way too hung up on the God of Abraham. It seems you have an ax to grind with Christians.

I think you have put together a fine story but you make assumptions that are not supported by what we know of science. I love true Christians but when they distort what I see as reality to support their theology, I protest.