Zone1 God is a "Christian Nationalist?

[alang1216]

I have explained in great detail how the universe began. For you to say otherwise is idiotic. What part of paired particle production do you not understand. I've even given you a link on the subject. Do you need for me to give it to you again?

You offered a theory, are you saying there are no other theories?

Genesis states that God created the universe and that everything evolved sequentially over time. They even got light correct which was truly amazing. This disturbs you because it rocks your atheistic foundation. You do realize light did not appear when the universe was created, right?

There was light before the Sun? There was day and night before the earth? That is what disturbs me. If God didn't say "let there be light" would the light have evolved on its own?

 

[kjw47]

I thought Kamala Harris was the greatest at word salads. You take the cake! So much nonsense in one paragraph. All over the place without answering the questions on what you will be doing.

Take an English lesson, My post is clear.

 

[Cougarbear]

Take an English lesson, My post is clear.

 

[hobelim]

There was light before the Sun? There was day and night before the earth? That is what disturbs me. If God didn't say "let there be light" would the light have evolved on its own?

According to the story the earth was in existence before light. "The world was without shape or form (lawless) and void (pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) "And the spirit of God hovered over the waters" and said, "let there be light" on this weird planet teeming with strange humanoid creatures that was in existence for billions of years.

Don't waste time reasoning with ding. He gave up on sapiens long ago. Now he is just a homo.

 

[ding]

You offered a theory, are you saying there are no other theories?

None that produce the CMB other than paired particle production. It's an insanely incredible amount of radiation. 2 billion times the matter/energy of the universe. If you understood even the slightest bit of what I have been trying to explain to you over the past year, you would realize how idiotic it is to make arguments that don't address the greatest piece of evidence for the origin of the universe. It's ridiculously dumb how stupid you people are to be making such half assed arguments that don't address the data.

 

[ding]

There was light before the Sun? There was day and night before the earth? That is what disturbs me. If God didn't say "let there be light" would the light have evolved on its own?

Again... this goes back to your not understanding the science of the big bang even though I have provided a link that explains everything in great detail. And yes, one of those things is that during the radiation era, matter and radiation were coupled in a great big soup of radiation and matter with radiation being dominate. At this point in time the universe was too hot for radiation to decouple from matter and the universe was opaque. Meaning there was no light. ~380,000 years after the universe was created it cooled enough for matter to decouple from radiation and there was light. As in let there be light.

So make all the silly, irrelevant comments you like, but that's the science. The universe was created and then light appeared 380,000 years after it was created.

 

[ding]

I think you have put together a fine story but you make assumptions that are not supported by what we know of science. I love true Christians but when they distort what I see as reality to support their theology, I protest.

It's not a story. It's science.

So you lost on the universe didn't begin. You lost that there was another religion that accurately describes the universe beginning and sequentially evolving over time. You lost on your interpretation that Genesis didn't claim the universe was created and sequentially evolved over time. And you still haven't even tried to prove the universe began without a cause or was created by something else.

 

[kjw47]

None who follow Jesus would laugh at another if they thought they were mislead. Who do you follow then?

 

[Cougarbear]

None who follow Jesus would laugh at another if they thought they were mislead. Who do you follow then?

I follow the true Jesus Christ, the Son of God born of the virgin Mary who atoned for our sins and paved the way for our resurrection. You follow a man that cannot save himself or resurrect himself.

 

[kjw47]

I follow the true Jesus Christ, the Son of God born of the virgin Mary who atoned for our sins and paved the way for our resurrection. You follow a man that cannot save himself or resurrect himself.

No follower of Christ laughs at one he thinks is in darkness, the one that does is the one in darkness.

 

[Cougarbear]

No follower of Christ laughs at one he thinks is in darkness, the one that does is the one in darkness.

Nice try, darkness.

 

[Ace Nova]

I follow the true Jesus Christ, the Son of God born of the virgin Mary who atoned for our sins and paved the way for our resurrection. You follow a man that cannot save himself or resurrect himself.

Nice post, well said.

Nice try, darkness.

Although it can be difficult not to get upset or even laugh at different opinions on these boards, laughing and mocking others that you may feel "are in the dark" while you feel that you "are in the light" -especially if the person you are mocking is being sincere about their beliefs - is the same type of persecution many fellow people of faith have endured over the years. And could be considered a form of "sin".

Now whether it is sin or not, for you personally - that would be between you and God - but the optics of it do not represent The Body of Christ, in my humble opinion.

 

[Cougarbear]

Nice post, well said.




Although it can be difficult not to get upset or even laugh at different opinions on these boards, laughing and mocking others that you may feel "are in the dark" while you feel that you "are in the light" -especially if the person you are mocking is being sincere about their beliefs - is the same type of persecution many fellow people of faith have endured over the years. And could be considered a form of "sin".

Now whether it is sin or not, for you personally - that would be between you and God - but the optics of it do not represent The Body of Christ, in my humble opinion.

You haven’t been following our back an forth for a long time now. So, you are making false judgments. Lighten up.

 

[Ace Nova]

You haven’t been following our back an forth for a long time now. So, you are making false judgments. Lighten up.

No worries - and I get it - it happens around here often. And no, I wasn't judging because I don't judge.

 

[alang1216]

None that produce the CMB other than paired particle production. It's an insanely incredible amount of radiation. 2 billion times the matter/energy of the universe. If you understood even the slightest bit of what I have been trying to explain to you over the past year, you would realize how idiotic it is to make arguments that don't address the greatest piece of evidence for the origin of the universe. It's ridiculously dumb how stupid you people are to be making such half assed arguments that don't address the data.

I don't believe I ever doubted the BB, I just don't accept that we know what preceded it, if anything.

 

[alang1216]

Again... this goes back to your not understanding the science of the big bang even though I have provided a link that explains everything in great detail. And yes, one of those things is that during the radiation era, matter and radiation were coupled in a great big soup of radiation and matter with radiation being dominate. At this point in time the universe was too hot for radiation to decouple from matter and the universe was opaque. Meaning there was no light. ~380,000 years after the universe was created it cooled enough for matter to decouple from radiation and there was light. As in let there be light.

So make all the silly, irrelevant comments you like, but that's the science. The universe was created and then light appeared 380,000 years after it was created.

So that was the 'first day'. Did the rest of the universe, and us, evolve from that first act of creation or were they discrete creations?

 

[alang1216]

It's not a story. It's science.

So you lost on the universe didn't begin. You lost that there was another religion that accurately describes the universe beginning and sequentially evolving over time. You lost on your interpretation that Genesis didn't claim the universe was created and sequentially evolved over time.

The sequence is not what we understand the reality to be:

Dry land, seas, plants, and trees on the third day​

The sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day​

Birds and fish on the fifth day​

And you still haven't even tried to prove the universe began without a cause or was created by something else.

We know OUR universe began as a dense point. We don't know what came before. If you argue for supernatural, intelligent creation, do you know HOW that worked?

 

[ding]

I don't believe I ever doubted the BB, I just don't accept that we know what preceded it, if anything.

Potential preceded it. The laws of nature preceded it. Both of which existed in some form or another prior to the universe popping into existence. What did not precede it was pre-existing matter and energy that exists as we know it.

But I'm pretty sure you have argued the universe may have not popped into existence.

 

[ding]

So that was the 'first day'. Did the rest of the universe, and us, evolve from that first act of creation or were they discrete creations?

It's not a science book explanation. It's an allegorical description of the fundamental monotheistic belief of a creator. The universe began, not being created from anything existing and sequentially evolved over time.

Vastly different from the polytheistic beliefs of those days. Which is the context it should be read in.

 

[ding]

The sequence is not what we understand the reality to be:
Dry land, seas, plants, and trees on the third dayThe sun, moon, and stars on the fourth dayBirds and fish on the fifth day

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