Zone1 God is a "Christian Nationalist?

Cougarbear said:
Has nothing to do with the topic. You are someone who lives off the hard work and risk of others without one ounce of effort. The Lord will say to you at the judgment seat, "I never new you."
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See i share a super important truth from Jesus and you toss it aside as worthless. Its called darkness Cougarbear. You best relook.
 
Cougarbear said:
I would say to you, the Jesus you think you are following is actually Satan. The weeping and gnashing of teeth will include JWs who got sucked into believing they knew the exact date the Lord will return to the earth.
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Evidence you seem to have missed=
In the bible a kingdom= govt, armies, supporters, its not speaking of the land, thus Rev 16=Every kingdom on earth will be mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king at Armageddon( Gods day of anger)= here at Rev 19:11--- And at verse 18 it shows what occurs to the the gov't, armies and supporters of those kingdoms.
100 % proof they are mislead and controlled by satan now as well( he does it like this( 2Cor 11:12-15) to mislead all to walk the broad and spacious path)= Luke 4:5-8--So he(Satan) brought Jesus up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time 6) and the devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me and to whomever i wish to give it 7) you therefore do an act of worship before me it will all be yours 8) in reply Jesus said to him: it is written it is to Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.

See satan(John 12:31) is the ruler of this world, the god ( 2Cor 4:4)of this system of things, he controls every kingdom, then and now.
 
Clyde 154 said:
The HIGHER POWERS described in Romans 13:1-4 is self described within the context of the Holy Scriptures. "Let every person (Christian and Non-Christian alike......EVERY: ALL PERSONS) be subject to the GOVERNING AUTHORITY FOR THERE IS NO AUTHORITY EXCEPT FROM GOD......." -- Rom. 13:1 Jesus Himself defines where all governing authority comes from when confronted by Pilate. Pilate asked the Christ do you not know I have the power to authorize your execution? The Christ responded, "YOU (Pilate, the governing authority), would have no authority over Me at all unless it had been given you (Pilate) from above (Jesus is given all authority in Heaven and in Earth)." -- John 19:11

What happens to anyone, (Christian and Non-Christian alike) who disobeys this governing authority? "..........for he (the governing authority) does not bear the sword in vain." -- Romans 13:4 Meaning? Everyone is subject to the judgment of the governing authority up to and including the death penalty. Thus, capital punishment is carried forth in the N.T. of Jesus Christ. Why? Because God Himself authorized capital punishment for crimes against innocent humanity. (Genesis 6:9) Its man that carries out God's wrath for crimes against the innocent. ".........by MAN shall his blood be spilled....."

Go ahead.......and attempt to carry out your type of capital punishment as your CULT has historically engaged by the supposed Angel of Death, hiring hitmen for the Mormon Church such as Porter Rockwell........and see if he (the governing authority, the US GOVERNMENT......bears the sword in vain.;)


The Godhead as defined in the Holy Scriptures? "For in HIM (who? Jesus Christ)........dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.-- Eph. 1:10 The Godhead isn't under anyone's rules or law?
"..............ALL POWER is given unto Me (who? Jesus Christ) in Heaven and in Earth........." Matt. 28:18
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You, like JW, are confusing the authority of Heaven and the authority of earthly governments. We are subject to both. It's really not that hard to do.
 
kjw47 said:
See i share a super important truth from Jesus and you toss it aside as worthless. Its called darkness Cougarbear. You best relook.
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It has nothing to do with your responsibilities as a citizen of the U.S. You take from the government but put no effort into helping it become a better government through voting. You take their military protection from outside invaders but can't stand and pledge to do your duty as a citizen taking my tax payer dollars and benefiting from them. You don't live in a bubble but JWs try to anyways. If anyone disagrees with JWs, even family, then they are to be shunned and cast out of your family. Sick.
 
Cougarbear said:
You, like JW, are confusing the authority of Heaven and the authority of earthly governments. We are subject to both. It's really not that hard to do.
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Exactly. You are not as you suggested commanded anywhere in the Holy Scriptures to obey God's law only.

We are subject to both, you are commanded to follow man's law as long as it does not conflict with the righteous laws of God. (Romans 13:1-4) When a Christian requires "vengeance"......because a nation is not protecting the righteous from the unrighteous, that punishment is God's duty alone. (Romans 12:9)

There is nothing within the laws of the United States that mandates an antichrist adherence by Christians. No one forces a Christian to Abort their unborn children, no one is forcing you to send innocent Christians to the death chamber as was the case in the Roman Empire in first few centuries of church history.....etc. There is not one law that requires you to worship anyone other than the God of the Holy Scriptures (many do, but its by personal choice)......etc., In other words as long as a government complies with the righteousness described in Word of God......i.e, the eternal commandments that are common to all civilized nations on earth....i.e, the 9 eternally righteous commandments of the 10 commandments, you are required by God to follow the authorities appointed over you, both civil and religious.

If you attempt to follow "church law" alone as was the case with historical Mormonism..........you will be dealt with by BIG BROTHER. Mormons were forced to comply with US marriage law......which complies with the word of God. One husband married to one wife........etc., (of course state law in some cases accepts homosexual marriage.....but again that is a personal choice, that's between those claiming to be Christian and God.....not you, not me.........the same for abortion etc.,) If these perverts child murderers and antichrists require punishment, that is God's decision.

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." -- Romans 12:9 the US grows closer every day to that of a nation demonstrating a despotic evil nature...........how long will God be tolerant of the very few that attempt to control the vast masses who believe in the US without consequence? Only God knows. This might be our last chance at national repentance. Even God will lose His patience. The scriptures declare that the Lord is "......slow to anger......." but will not hold back His wrath eternally.
 
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Cougarbear said:
Then vote for people that you think will be anti-corruption. By staying out of voting, you are giving the adversary all the power anyways. He's happy you do not participate in politics and government. The adversary wants good people to stay out of it. By your non-actions you are participating in the adversary's work of corruption. Mankind will never be perfect or have a perfect government. We do the best we can. But, we don't partake of the great things of America because of the government and then complain about the government.

Yes, he was speaking about taxes and tithing. What he was also saying governments are there to keep the people from anarchy as well. To enact laws that will benefit the people. Being not perfect and corrupt, there are laws that will be corrupt. So, change them through electing the best person to do it. Not a perfect person.
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In other words vote for a poor candidate because the Uber wealthy have big money and with that must come corruption
 
Clyde 154 said:
Exactly. You are not as you suggested commanded anywhere in the Holy Scriptures to obey God's law only.

We are subject to both, you are commanded to follow man's law as long as it does not conflict with the righteous laws of God. (Romans 13:1-4) When a Christian requires "vengeance"......because a nation is not protecting the righteous from the unrighteous, that punishment is God's duty alone. (Romans 12:9)

There is nothing within the laws of the United States that mandates an antichrist adherence by Christians. No one forces a Christian to Abort their unborn children, no one is forcing you to send innocent Christians to the death chamber as was the case in the Roman Empire in first few centuries of church history.....etc. There is not one law that requires you to worship anyone other than the God of the Holy Scriptures (many do, but its by personal choice)......etc., In other words as long as a government complies with the righteousness described in Word of God......i.e, the eternal commandments that are common to all civilized nations on earth....i.e, the 9 eternally righteous commandments of the 10 commandments, you are required by God to follow the authorities appointed over you, both civil and religious.

If you attempt to follow "church law" alone as was the case with historical Mormonism..........you will be dealt with by BIG BROTHER. Mormons were forced to comply with US marriage law......which complies with the word of God. One husband married to one wife........etc., (of course state law in some cases accepts homosexual marriage.....but again that is a personal choice, that's between those claiming to be Christian and God.....not you, not me.........the same for abortion etc.,) If these perverts child murderers and antichrists require punishment, that is God's decision.

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." -- Romans 12:9 the US grows closer every day to that of a nation demonstrating a despotic evil nature...........how long will God be tolerant of the very few that attempt to control the vast masses who believe in the US without consequence? Only God knows. This might be our last chance at national repentance. Even God will lose His patience. The scriptures declare that the Lord is "......slow to anger......." but will not hold back His wrath eternally.
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I think we are getting closer. I'd debate whether we have to follow a government law that we deem not to be righteous enough. Who would be the judge of this? Take taxes. Taxes are now required. Not paying them will get you jail time, eventually. And, Jesus said render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's and render unto God that which is God's (tithing and offerings). So, it's not a one way street. And, he did ask his disciples to be respectful of the laws and not get yourself killed over them. Does that mean we have to obey bad laws? Yes. But, with the concept that in the U.S. we can get the laws we think are bad, changed. This is done by voting. We elect those who will help changing the law for what we deem to be more righteous. Do we always win? Nope. But, we have hope to vote again and make changes. So, here is my challenge with JW's, they complain about unrighteous governments and their leaders while doing nothing to make any changes by participating in the system that allows for changes. It's like you don't want to make better laws because you want the end to come. Yet, you take from the system you reject all you can do when it comes to the comforts of living. I call that hypocrisy. What would you call it?
 
initforme said:
In other words vote for a poor candidate because the Uber wealthy have big money and with that must come corruption
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Don't vote and still you get to participate in the system getting those nice things that you have like a home, car, drive on freeways, nice clean clothes and a computer you are enjoying. Until you run across me pointing out your hypocrisy. I vote for the best candidate that will make the most changes that I think are right. Harris was not that person. Trump is.
 
Cougarbear said:
It has nothing to do with your responsibilities as a citizen of the U.S. You take from the government but put no effort into helping it become a better government through voting. You take their military protection from outside invaders but can't stand and pledge to do your duty as a citizen taking my tax payer dollars and benefiting from them. You don't live in a bubble but JWs try to anyways. If anyone disagrees with JWs, even family, then they are to be shunned and cast out of your family. Sick.
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Answer post 122 please
 
ding said:
So your code says it's ok to look down on others for believing in God?
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I have no problems with people of faith. It is when they confuse faith with science or logic that I feel emboldened to point out their error. I realize most people believe in a God but I also find that most have never really thought much about it. They just accept what they've learned and take comfort in it. Am I wrong?
 
alang1216 said:
I have no problems with people of faith. It is when they confuse faith with science or logic that I feel emboldened to point out their error. I realize most people believe in a God but I also find that most have never really thought much about it. They just accept what they've learned and take comfort in it. Am I wrong?
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Oh yeah...
 
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