God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?

[Wyatt earp]

Sure lucifer made people like Job miserable, but God didn't let him kill him

It was Satan who killed Job's family and God let him.

No, it was God who killed Job's family.

Btw does anyone know who Noah's wife's name was?

 

[Newtonian]

Sure lucifer made people like Job miserable, but God didn't let him kill him

It was Satan who killed Job's family and God let him.

That is true. Job chapters 1 & 2 also tell us why. In fact, this is one reason why God has permitted wickedness and its attended suffering.

For example, in that assembly of angels, Satan did not challenge God's power - if he had, God could simply have destroyed Satan and answered the challenge. Satan challenged God's right to rule and the reasons why Job accepted God's universal sovereignty. Satan has been ruling the world and the results show that Satan's rule as well as various forms of man ruling himself - the milleniums of these rulerships - have been various degrees of suffering.

This history will serve eternally as a "touchstone" so that God will never have to permit suffering anywhere in any universe again.

 

[22lcidw]

Unfortunately, and historically the answer is No.

The religious have been the vasy majority for the last 5,000 years of our history of almost non-stop war.

Only really stupid people will think the small minority of atheists manipulated the religious to fight all those wars, but hey, if you want to thing theists that stupid, go ahead.

I see that you do not argue against the modern statistics that show atheists are a lot more moral than theists. Smart that as you look foolish enough already.

Regards
DL

So anything without God is peaceful. We had no God with the Nazis, the Soviets, the Chinese, Pol Pot, Castro, Big Daddy, La Papa Doca and many more in the 20th Century. More people killed then from when time began in violence. Peasants are used. And convinced to go to war for any reason. Poverty and corruption is a good reason. The older power structures of royalty and peasant was pretty defined. People living off of dirt and squandering their hard working gains on partying causes issues and infects others. Are you ready to live with a lot less so others can share in it? Because we keep paying and propping up people who keep repeating the same bullshit over and over as it is. And we have created a poverty/poverty industrial complex with tens of millions of government employees in all ways servicing it. That includes prisons and government contracts to private vendors. Mighty expensive.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sure lucifer made people like Job miserable, but God didn't let him kill him

It was Satan who killed Job's family and God let him.

That is true. Job chapters 1 & 2 also tell us why. In fact, this is one reason why God has permitted wickedness and its attended suffering.

For example, in that assembly of angels, Satan did not challenge God's power - if he had, God could simply have destroyed Satan and answered the challenge. Satan challenged God's right to rule and the reasons why Job accepted God's universal sovereignty. Satan has been ruling the world and the results show that Satan's rule as well as various forms of man ruling himself - the milleniums of these rulerships - have been various degrees of suffering.

This history will serve eternally as a "touchstone" so that God will never have to permit suffering anywhere in any universe again.

Wow, just wow glad you are thinking and know it

 

[Newtonian]

IS God to blame for the wars fought by humankind? “No, God does not want war

It seems God wanted and did wage war in the OT. We are supposed to have a war of good vs evil and Jesus vs Satan during end times. To answer your question, God does wage war in order to save the innocent even though he may not want war. There is no question God has killed more people than Satan, but Satan wants to kill as many souls as possible and send them to the Lake of Fire in the afterlife. That's where he wants to be like God.

Yes, under the law of Moses - but Jesus changed that - and we follow Jesus:

Matthew 5:43, 44 (KJV)
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Niemoller admitted Christendom is largely to blame for the wars in its history and God is not to blame.

In pre-Christian Jewish history God-ordained wars were actually executions since if any Jews practiced what Canaanites practiced those Jews would have been executed within Israel. But Jesus did not authorize his followers to execute anyone for anything. The governments of this world do have that right though - see Romans 13:1-5 but compare Romans 12:17 which comes just before.

 

[Wyatt earp]

IS God to blame for the wars fought by humankind? “No, God does not want war

It seems God wanted and did wage war in the OT. We are supposed to have a war of good vs evil and Jesus vs Satan during end times. To answer your question, God does wage war in order to save the innocent even though he may not want war. There is no question God has killed more people than Satan, but Satan wants to kill as many souls as possible and send them to the Lake of Fire in the afterlife. That's where he wants to be like God.

Yes, under the law of Moses - but Jesus changed that - and we follow Jesus:

Matthew 5:43, 44 (KJV)
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Niemoller admitted Christendom is largely to blame for the wars in its history and God is not to blame.

In pre-Christian Jewish history God-ordained wars were actually executions since if any Jews practiced what Canaanites practiced those Jews would have been executed within Israel. But Jesus did not authorize his followers to execute anyone for anything. The governments of this world do have that right though - see Romans 13:1-5 but compare Romans 12:17 which comes just before.

See this another thing I really cant comprehend, jesus said in the gospel he didnt come to condemn the law of Moses but rather fulfill it

Sometimes I think the 13 letters of paul is a hack in the NT

 

[james bond]

No, it was God who killed Job's family.

Btw does anyone know who Noah's wife's name was?

It was Satan. He gets the credit for ten people. God killed way millions more people than Satan so it really is moot. Satan wants to do his damage in the afterlife.

 

[Andylusion]

God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?

Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Some people have what has been termed, the problem of evil. Many cannot fathom why, if god is good, he would create evil. Yet the scriptures are clear that god created evil for his pleasure.

It may be due to my criminal mind and delinquent attitude, but I think I know why. I wondered if you ands others had also dithered out a reasonable answer to show why sin and evil are required for god’s plan and our mental and moral development.

This fact is likely why the ancient Christians determined that sin was necessary for our development. They sing that Adam furthered god’s plan by his sin.

To them, even as Christianity and I clash, and the intelligent position, is that to not sin or do evil, is to derail god’s plan.

In this, issue, I happen to agree with the scriptures and Christians who say the sin and evil is good and necessary to god’s plan.

Do you?

Regards
DL

This is like saying you created dark.
You can't create dark. Dark is the absence of light.

Or create cold. You can't create cold. Cold is the absence of heat.

The way you "create" dark, is by removing sources of light. Thus without anything producing light, you end up with dark.

The way you "create" cold, is by removing sources of heat. Thus without anything producing heat, you end up with cold.

G-d did not create evil. Evill is the absence of good. G-d is the source of all that is good. Without G-d, there is evil.

A man that has no G-d, and eliminate all of G-d from him and his society, will end up a society of evil. We saw this with socialism. The rejection of G-d, resulted in 120 Million deaths, as man tried replacing all morals with science. Science is wonderful thing, and most early scientists were all Christians. But science is not a moral authority.

Science can tell you, what happens when you shove a needle into a babies skull, and sucking it's brains out, and tearing what is left of its body to bits and tossing it in the trash.

What science can not tell you, is if that is moral or not.

This is why as much as the moral relativists wish to claim that Darwin was right, and Hitler was wrong, they can never identify why either is right or wrong.

Only G-d, and external moral authority, can show what is right, and what is evil.

 

[james bond]

Sure lucifer made people like Job miserable, but God didn't let him kill him

It was Satan who killed Job's family and God let him.

That is true. Job chapters 1 & 2 also tell us why. In fact, this is one reason why God has permitted wickedness and its attended suffering.

For example, in that assembly of angels, Satan did not challenge God's power - if he had, God could simply have destroyed Satan and answered the challenge. Satan challenged God's right to rule and the reasons why Job accepted God's universal sovereignty. Satan has been ruling the world and the results show that Satan's rule as well as various forms of man ruling himself - the milleniums of these rulerships - have been various degrees of suffering.

This history will serve eternally as a "touchstone" so that God will never have to permit suffering anywhere in any universe again.

One of the things the angels and humans have is free will, so that is why we have good and evil. We can't have one without the other in this world. Thus, I doubt God could have destroyed Lucifer for challenging God's right to rule. The same with Job. If Job didn't have such strong faith, then he had a choice to disobey and could have ended his torture. Even then he questioned why God was punishing him so. I agree that both Satan and humans have been ruling the world and thus humans has experienced various degrees of suffering. Satan can't specify who he can kill with COVID-19 like he did with Job's family, but he can make us susceptible to it by not being careful or being put into dangerous situations. I agree with the touchstone, but the end is allegorical. There may be more suffering than we know about. I mean the end times could go on for some time. I just hope and pray that the believers won't have to experience it first hand.

 

[Wyatt earp]

No, it was God who killed Job's family.

Btw does anyone know who Noah's wife's name was?

It was Satan. He gets the credit for ten people. God killed way millions more people than Satan so it really is moot. Satan wants to do his damage in the afterlife.

Dang check this out


Job's first wife is Sitidos (Sitis). Her name may have the same root as the word Satan in Hebrew or Sotah (unfaithful wife). She is a princess and Job a tribal leader. Her response to their destruction is to go out and earn a living. Eventually and unknown to her she sells her hair to Satan in exchange for three loaves of bread for her husband; it is Satan who puts the words "Curse G-d" into her mouth. She later comes back and pleads with Job to be allowed to go into the rubble of the Palace to recover the dead bodies of her children. Job tells her that they must be left and she takes herself off to lie amongst the cattle where she dies.

Only after her death does she receive honour as the city laments her death. Job is restored and in a bizarre twist marries Dinah (a daughter of Jacob) and has 10 children by her.

Yet Sitidos remains a tragic figure in this version, one whose suffering stands independently of her husband's and raises questions of its own

The Book of Job, part 5: Job's wife â did she bless or curse? | Alexander Goldberg

Alexander Goldberg: A little-known legend adds to the story of Job a story about his first wife, her sufferings and her dealings with Satan

www.google.com

 

[justinacolmena]

God created evil for his pleasure
...
for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

No. The things that God created, for His pleasure, were good.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

For God made not death: neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living. For he created all things, that they might have their being: and the generations of the world were healthful; and there is no poison of destruction in them, nor the kingdom of death upon the earth:

 

[justinacolmena]

Of all the things that God created and made, for His pleasure, according to the Bible, death and evil are not once to be named among them.

 

[james bond]

No, it was God who killed Job's family.

Btw does anyone know who Noah's wife's name was?

It was Satan. He gets the credit for ten people. God killed way millions more people than Satan so it really is moot. Satan wants to do his damage in the afterlife.

Dang check this out


Job's first wife is Sitidos (Sitis). Her name may have the same root as the word Satan in Hebrew or Sotah (unfaithful wife). She is a princess and Job a tribal leader. Her response to their destruction is to go out and earn a living. Eventually and unknown to her she sells her hair to Satan in exchange for three loaves of bread for her husband; it is Satan who puts the words "Curse G-d" into her mouth. She later comes back and pleads with Job to be allowed to go into the rubble of the Palace to recover the dead bodies of her children. Job tells her that they must be left and she takes herself off to lie amongst the cattle where she dies.

Only after her death does she receive honour as the city laments her death. Job is restored and in a bizarre twist marries Dinah (a daughter of Jacob) and has 10 children by her.

Yet Sitidos remains a tragic figure in this version, one whose suffering stands independently of her husband's and raises questions of its own

The Book of Job, part 5: Job's wife â did she bless or curse? | Alexander Goldberg

Alexander Goldberg: A little-known legend adds to the story of Job a story about his first wife, her sufferings and her dealings with Satan

www.google.com

This is the question of what happens when bad things happen to good people? Both Job and his wife are good, but after Job loses his wealth and children and they are the only two left, it seems human for Sitidos to react as she did. I think she cursed God and wanted Job to do the same with what happened, but Job rebukes her, calls her a foolish woman, and asks her would she just accept good things from God and then go against him when they're not? God allows both good and bad things to happen in our lives. While our suffering when bad things happen may be real, it does not mean they are punishment. We see many people blame God for COVID-19 and when bad things happen in our lives and think he's an evil God.

Especially atheists and agnostics. They may not believe in or have faith in God, but they are quick to have him exist in order to blame, complain, or condemn.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Of all the things that God created and made, for His pleasure, according to the Bible, death and evil are not once to be named among them.

If god didn't create death how did he provide garments for Adam?

God killed animals ( his own creation)in early genesis

 

[Wyatt earp]

Btw A enjoyable thread preachers I know are pissed off about me..

 

[ding]

Sure lucifer made people like Job miserable, but God didn't let him kill him

It was Satan who killed Job's family and God let him.

No, it was God who killed Job's family.

Btw does anyone know who Noah's wife's name was?

Have you ever considered that all the things you think you know are wrong?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sure lucifer made people like Job miserable, but God didn't let him kill him

It was Satan who killed Job's family and God let him.

No, it was God who killed Job's family.

Btw does anyone know who Noah's wife's name was?

Have you ever considered that all the things you think you know are wrong?

Of course I have thought about it, but when you dive deep in the the bible has I have the past two years , you ask questions, just to see who knows as much as I do.

The eastern orthodox, Catholicism, protestant books is the most complicated books in the world to comprehend.

You deal with atheist, who read them who doesn't have the holy spirit in them, so unfortunately it's just word salad to them

 

[Slyhunter]

God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?

Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Some people have what has been termed, the problem of evil. Many cannot fathom why, if god is good, he would create evil. Yet the scriptures are clear that god created evil for his pleasure.

It may be due to my criminal mind and delinquent attitude, but I think I know why. I wondered if you ands others had also dithered out a reasonable answer to show why sin and evil are required for god’s plan and our mental and moral development.

This fact is likely why the ancient Christians determined that sin was necessary for our development. They sing that Adam furthered god’s plan by his sin.

To them, even as Christianity and I clash, and the intelligent position, is that to not sin or do evil, is to derail god’s plan.

In this, issue, I happen to agree with the scriptures and Christians who say the sin and evil is good and necessary to god’s plan.

Do you?

Regards
DL

um, God didn't create evil. Evil is the absence of Good. It's all Good until it's Evil.

 

[james bond]

Of all the things that God created and made, for His pleasure, according to the Bible, death and evil are not once to be named among them.

If god didn't create death how did he provide garments for Adam?

God killed animals ( his own creation)in early genesis

God created heaven for us. If not for Adam's sin, then we'd be in heaven now. One doesn't have death in heaven do they?

Thus, you are missing some things in regards to knowledge of the Bible or you have been misled.

 

[ding]

Sure lucifer made people like Job miserable, but God didn't let him kill him

It was Satan who killed Job's family and God let him.

No, it was God who killed Job's family.

Btw does anyone know who Noah's wife's name was?

Have you ever considered that all the things you think you know are wrong?

Of course I have thought about it, but when you dive deep in the the bible has I have the past two years , you ask questions, just to see who knows as much as I do.

The eastern orthodox, Catholicism, protestant books is the most complicated books in the world to comprehend.

You deal with atheist, who read them who doesn't have the holy spirit in them, so unfortunately it's just word salad to them

Yes, it is.

Job is actually about why bad things happen to good people.

it’s not easy to understand. Especially if one is not looking for wisdom.