Go ahead, pass concealed carry, see what happens...

[RayneWooney]

How a white man can chase a black teenager, tackle him to the floor, and shoot him in the head while he's got his hands up, and be acquitted for self defence

So you disagree with the jury's decision. Funny how that somehow invalidates all self defense uses.

But then, you allowed that 200+ incidents were, in fact, self defense and resulted in the deaths of criminals.

Try and keep your story straight.

Only 200 shootings in the usa MIGHT HAVE BEEN justified. The number that actually are justified is probably enough to count on one hand

Only 200 gun murders were justified. You have not shown those to be the only gun usages to be termed stopping a crime. In fact, that statistic, combined with the real numbers of crimes prevented with private guns, shows gun owners to be exercising restraint when stopping crimes, since it happens hundreds of thousands of times with only 200 deaths.

You make no fucking sense.

200 self defence incidents is FAR less than 30,000 other deaths

And of the 30,000 gun deaths, 2/3 of them were self-inflicted. (actually a bit more than 2/3)

And out of 65 million legal gun owners, that is still less than 1/10th of 1 percent.

So tell me why Japan or the UK doesn't have so many self inflicted gun deaths

 

[Hossfly]

Not in the least. I at least made the effort to learn the truth about your source. Were you even aware of who founded of Mother Jones?

The magazine was named after Mary Harris Jones, known as Mother Jones, an Irish-American trade union activist, opponent of child labor.[4]

A cause against child labor is very laudable. However, a trade union activist is hardly what I would call "neutral sourcing"

Well then by those standard the NRA has zero fucking credibility

So, you have seen Me quote the NRA to make a point? If so, point that out to Me as I must have been sleep typing.

No but you fucking repeat all the NRA wingnut talking points

To cut to the heart of the matter, if Americans had to give up their guns, how long do you think it would take Russia to invade us.? All your other arguments are just so much stupid,ignorant bullshit. The reason America is on top of the totem pole is because of the 2d Amendment and don't you forget it, Chauncey.

 

[WinterBorn]

So you disagree with the jury's decision. Funny how that somehow invalidates all self defense uses.

But then, you allowed that 200+ incidents were, in fact, self defense and resulted in the deaths of criminals.

Try and keep your story straight.

Only 200 shootings in the usa MIGHT HAVE BEEN justified. The number that actually are justified is probably enough to count on one hand

Only 200 gun murders were justified. You have not shown those to be the only gun usages to be termed stopping a crime. In fact, that statistic, combined with the real numbers of crimes prevented with private guns, shows gun owners to be exercising restraint when stopping crimes, since it happens hundreds of thousands of times with only 200 deaths.

You make no fucking sense.

200 self defence incidents is FAR less than 30,000 other deaths

I make perfect sense. 200 self defense killings is far less than the 100k (at least) incidents in which a privately owned gun stopped a crime. That means very few gun owners are shooting to kill when they stop a crime.

where the fuck do you get your 100k source from? The stats clearly say there are only 200 defensive uses of guns a year

No, the stat you quoted said there were 200 justifiable homicides. Numerous studies shows much, much higher rates of gun uses to stop crimes. I am using 100k because it is one of the lowest that is based on actual research.

You are claiming that every time a gun is used to stop a crime it is used to kill the criminal. That is utter nonsense. You are claiming that no private gun owner ever held a criminal at gun point and waited for the police. You are claiming that no private gun owner ever only wounded a criminal while stopping the crime. You are claiming that no criminal ever fled the scene when confronted with a gun.

You are full of shit.

 

[Darkwind]

Not in the least. I at least made the effort to learn the truth about your source. Were you even aware of who founded of Mother Jones?

The magazine was named after Mary Harris Jones, known as Mother Jones, an Irish-American trade union activist, opponent of child labor.[4]

A cause against child labor is very laudable. However, a trade union activist is hardly what I would call "neutral sourcing"

Well then by those standard the NRA has zero fucking credibility

So, you have seen Me quote the NRA to make a point? If so, point that out to Me as I must have been sleep typing.

No but you fucking repeat all the NRA wingnut talking points

No I don't. I post My opinion (opinions I have held for over 40 years and backed by research of government posted statistics, not blogs) and have had this conversation so many times with gun grabbers that I likely could post it in My sleep.

Here is a suggestion for you. Stop posting debunked talking points and post something original and I can guarantee that My responses will change to fit any new or re-purposed information you can provide. Otherwise, I follow the engineering principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" meaning debunking your statements is routine and effective.

30,000 gun deaths a year seems pretty "broke" to me.

Again, provide the data to support that statements. According to the FBI, there are less than 9,000 homicide rates per year as of 2012. You are trying to lump non-violent statistics together in order to make your claim seem 'More scary" than it really is.

Suicides will happen even if no guns are available. The argument that guns make it easier is a fallacy, because jumping from a building is actually easier.

Accidental killing added in, and taken by themselves, results in an almost insignificant statistical blip. Combined, all gun related deaths in the United States was slightly over 20,000. Compare that to the population of 330+ million people and the percent of people harmed by a gun is 6.06E-05 percent. That is 0.000006 percent of the population.

Care to point out how out of control that is again?

 

[WinterBorn]

So you disagree with the jury's decision. Funny how that somehow invalidates all self defense uses.

But then, you allowed that 200+ incidents were, in fact, self defense and resulted in the deaths of criminals.

Try and keep your story straight.

Only 200 shootings in the usa MIGHT HAVE BEEN justified. The number that actually are justified is probably enough to count on one hand

Only 200 gun murders were justified. You have not shown those to be the only gun usages to be termed stopping a crime. In fact, that statistic, combined with the real numbers of crimes prevented with private guns, shows gun owners to be exercising restraint when stopping crimes, since it happens hundreds of thousands of times with only 200 deaths.

You make no fucking sense.

200 self defence incidents is FAR less than 30,000 other deaths

And of the 30,000 gun deaths, 2/3 of them were self-inflicted. (actually a bit more than 2/3)

And out of 65 million legal gun owners, that is still less than 1/10th of 1 percent.

So tell me why Japan or the UK doesn't have so many self inflicted gun deaths

How many times do I have to say it? The lack of legal guns obviously does not effect the number of suicides, since the UK has almost as many as the US, and Japan has FAR more. The lack of guns does not stop suicides.

 

[WinterBorn]

Not in the least. I at least made the effort to learn the truth about your source. Were you even aware of who founded of Mother Jones?

The magazine was named after Mary Harris Jones, known as Mother Jones, an Irish-American trade union activist, opponent of child labor.[4]

A cause against child labor is very laudable. However, a trade union activist is hardly what I would call "neutral sourcing"

Well then by those standard the NRA has zero fucking credibility

So, you have seen Me quote the NRA to make a point? If so, point that out to Me as I must have been sleep typing.

No but you fucking repeat all the NRA wingnut talking points

No I don't. I post My opinion (opinions I have held for over 40 years and backed by research of government posted statistics, not blogs) and have had this conversation so many times with gun grabbers that I likely could post it in My sleep.

Here is a suggestion for you. Stop posting debunked talking points and post something original and I can guarantee that My responses will change to fit any new or re-purposed information you can provide. Otherwise, I follow the engineering principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" meaning debunking your statements is routine and effective.

30,000 gun deaths a year seems pretty "broke" to me.

If every gun death was at the hands of a legal gun owner (and they are certainly not), that means 99.95% of gun owners have never caused the death of anyone with a gun. Sounds like it works to me.

 

[Hossfly]

Only 200 shootings in the usa MIGHT HAVE BEEN justified. The number that actually are justified is probably enough to count on one hand

Only 200 gun murders were justified. You have not shown those to be the only gun usages to be termed stopping a crime. In fact, that statistic, combined with the real numbers of crimes prevented with private guns, shows gun owners to be exercising restraint when stopping crimes, since it happens hundreds of thousands of times with only 200 deaths.

You make no fucking sense.

200 self defence incidents is FAR less than 30,000 other deaths

And of the 30,000 gun deaths, 2/3 of them were self-inflicted. (actually a bit more than 2/3)

And out of 65 million legal gun owners, that is still less than 1/10th of 1 percent.

So tell me why Japan or the UK doesn't have so many self inflicted gun deaths

How many times do I have to say it? The lack of legal guns obviously does not effect the number of suicides, since the UK has almost as many as the US, and Japan has FAR more. The lack of guns does not stop suicides.

That guy has a one track mind or else he's a robot.

 

[WinterBorn]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

 

[WinterBorn]

Only 200 gun murders were justified. You have not shown those to be the only gun usages to be termed stopping a crime. In fact, that statistic, combined with the real numbers of crimes prevented with private guns, shows gun owners to be exercising restraint when stopping crimes, since it happens hundreds of thousands of times with only 200 deaths.

You make no fucking sense.

200 self defence incidents is FAR less than 30,000 other deaths

And of the 30,000 gun deaths, 2/3 of them were self-inflicted. (actually a bit more than 2/3)

And out of 65 million legal gun owners, that is still less than 1/10th of 1 percent.

So tell me why Japan or the UK doesn't have so many self inflicted gun deaths

How many times do I have to say it? The lack of legal guns obviously does not effect the number of suicides, since the UK has almost as many as the US, and Japan has FAR more. The lack of guns does not stop suicides.

That guy has a one track mind or else he's a robot.

He is an idiot.

 

[RayneWooney]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

 

[Darkwind]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

Do you even understand the principle of causation?

So, once again. Provide the data to back up that claim.

 

[RayneWooney]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

Do you even understand the principle of causation?

So, once again. Provide the data to back up that claim.

USA has guns and is dangerous

UK has no guns and is not dangerous.

Guns are the only real difference we have with eachother.

 

[WinterBorn]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

You claimed that the states with the most concealed carry permits had the most gun deaths. And yet, you have never shown any evidence of that, despite my repeated requests.

 

[Hossfly]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

Believe it or not.


Out of 218 countries, "gun culture America" didn't even make it into the top 100 of those countries with the highest murder rates per capita. She came in 111. Imagine that!

Virtually every country ahead of the US in per capita murders have big government, socialist-styled gun control laws.


Read more at USA First in World in Gun Ownership Not Even in Top 100 Countries for Murder Rate - Freedom Outpost

 

[RayneWooney]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

Believe it or not.


Out of 218 countries, "gun culture America" didn't even make it into the top 100 of those countries with the highest murder rates per capita. She came in 111. Imagine that!

Virtually every country ahead of the US in per capita murders have big government, socialist-styled gun control laws.


Read more at USA First in World in Gun Ownership Not Even in Top 100 Countries for Murder Rate - Freedom Outpost

A source called Freedom Outpost. Not buying it

 

[WinterBorn]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

Do you even understand the principle of causation?

So, once again. Provide the data to back up that claim.

USA has guns and is dangerous

UK has no guns and is not dangerous.

Guns are the only real difference we have with eachother.

Guns are the only difference?? LMAO!!!!

 

[RayneWooney]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

Do you even understand the principle of causation?

So, once again. Provide the data to back up that claim.

USA has guns and is dangerous

UK has no guns and is not dangerous.

Guns are the only real difference we have with eachother.

Guns are the only difference?? LMAO!!!!

same language, same demographics, same culture in the civilised areas (NY, Chicago)

 

[Hossfly]

“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”

– George Washington

 

[WinterBorn]

Since the topic of the OP is concealed weapons permits cause more gun deaths, can you provide a link that shows that? Or is the entire thread based on your lies?

The USA has concealed carry permits. Has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000

UK, Japan, China, France, etc. all don't have concealed carry, and have far less murders

Do you even understand the principle of causation?

So, once again. Provide the data to back up that claim.

USA has guns and is dangerous

UK has no guns and is not dangerous.

Guns are the only real difference we have with eachother.

Guns are the only difference?? LMAO!!!!

same language, same demographics, same culture in the civilised areas (NY, Chicago)

Both Chicago and New York (state) have stricter gun laws than most of the nation. Yet they also have some of the highest murder rates. You call that civilized?

 

[Preacher]

You need to look at studies. Conceal carry doesn't mean more deaths, unless you are worried about the occasional criminal being on the wrong end.

Criminals already practice conceal carry. You don't think they'd be more shy if they thought more citizens were armed?

Pick on the criminals all you want, but don't be so stupid as to think that a permit will turn a decent citizen into a criminal. Doesn't work that way. It's criminals you need to worry about and laws don't affect them one way or the other.

I'm sure some liberals are hoping for murders just so they can blame it on gun laws instead of deranged killers. Chicago has a high murder rate and stricter gun laws than most of the country. Would you like the entire country to be more like Chicago?

He's from England. The ultimate nanny state. I am just choosing to ignore his rant about this...