Global Warming Scientist Get Stuck in Growing Antartic Ice

[Kosh]

;8407334Correlation of temp to CO2 is proof.

No it is not!

Yeah it is. Do you even know how to do a correlation? Tell me, what is the difference between the R^2 value and the coefficient of correlations? What does the R^2 value mean, exactly?

Yeah, it is proof.

Here is a link that may help you understand what you posted:

Coefficient of determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No it is not!

AGW is not based on science.

If this were the case Mars would be a whole lot warmer than it is now.

CO2 does not drive climate, NEVER has.

Anyone making that correlation is doing so based on propaganda and not science.

 

[flacaltenn]

12,000 peer reviewed studies? A lie, prove their are 12,000.

Hell, prove that there is one, not and abstract, press release, or an article about the mythical study that is peer reviewed, but actually produce one study. Should be easy with 12,000 of them out there.

go ahead, we all can not wait to see, produce one.

I did find this:
From the 11 994 papers, 32.6 per cent endorsed AGW, 66.4 per cent stated no position on AGW, 0.7 per cent rejected AGW and in 0.3 per cent of papers, the authors said the cause of global warming was uncertain.
Study reveals scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change | Science Codex

I guess this is called consensus these days when there is an agenda.

So that would be that, among the papers where the authors presented a position,

11 994 papers, 32.6 per cent endorsed AGW = 3910.044

11 994 papers, 0.7 per cent rejected AGW = 83.958

11 994 papers, 0.3 per cent uncertain = 35.982

Total papers with an opinion. 3910.044 + 83.958+35.982 = 4029.984

Percent endorsing AWG, 3910.044/4029.984 = 97 %

That is a 97% of scientists that stated an opinion endores AWG.

The problem you have is you are imagining what the unstated opinion authors believe. We could simply count them as agreeing with AWG, just as well as you are counting them as disagreeing, and get

99% of scientiists do not disagree with AWG.

My question is why you count a non-statement from a paper on the mating habits of tree frogs as being a denial of AWG? It is, after all, simply a non-statement.

Oh, BTW, are everyone of those 11994 papers by 11994 different authors?

If you have to ask how to count an UNEXPRESSED opinion, perhaps your mom shouldnt have left all those sharp numbers around for to juggle..

Using scientific papers to divine opinion, is a very bad idea anyway.. Since only really primadonna scientists believe their OPINION gets any points.. And you really dont know the minds of ALL the authors on any one paper anyway from a politically required salute to AGW in the abstract...

 

[Theowl32]

I got a question for that diatribe of irrelevant information about the climate some 10,000 years ago.

What is your position, that there is no global warming because a ship got stranded or that the global warming isn't anthropogenic.

Because your diatribe presents both.

"that global warming ship hull is being crushed by thick ice packs"

Then a long presentation of paleotological warming. I suppose to demonstrate that current warming is due to solar insulance not AWG.

"The initial changes in temperature during this period are explained by changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun"

You think 10,000 years ago was a long time ago, considering there is a 41,000 year cycle?

Are you aware the planet has been around for an estimated 4.5 billion years?

You still think 10,000 years ago was a long time ago?

Here is a question. Is every liberal as stupid as you?

 

[Meister]

Ah, here is the complete analysis

"In fact, not all scientists do agree that humans are causing global warming. As researchers under the guidance of John Cook at Skeptical Science discovered in a "citizen science" survey of 11,944 peer-reviewed articles, 1.6 percent of the authors expressing an opinion on the subject rejected or were uncertain about the consensus that the earth is undergoing anthropogenic (human-generated) global warming (AGW). And 97.1 percent of the nearly 4,000 articles in which the author(s) took a position endorsed the AGW consensus. (The survey was published May 15 in Environmental Research Letters as an open access article.)"

Daily Kos: Skeptical Science flattens deniers: 97% of peer-reviewed papers say humans causing climate change

Oh, shit. That's exactly what I got.

Yeah, sure you did....go back to your agenda dude.
You still can't back away from what the leaked emails were stating, all you can do is go to kos and try a lame attempt at damage control.
PS to get to your 97% you had to throw out nearly 8,000 papers to get your so called consensus.
I'm through with you.

You can't do simple arithmetic.

You clearly have an agenda. There was nothing in the "leaked emails" that meant anything except to people with an agenda, like yourself.

I just do the honest math.

Funny, though, how when it gets down to it, your only real basis is "you have and agenda", "they lied."

“Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere, unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary.… I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it, which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.”
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Really?
You're agenda driven, embrace it

 

[Abraham3]

How about identifying the speaker there Meister?

Ahh.. Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office.

 

[Abraham3]

Wikipedia: Global Warming

Instrumental record of tropospheric temperature

General circulation models and basic physical considerations predict that in the tropics the temperature of the troposphere should increase more rapidly than the temperature of the surface. A 2006 report to the U.S. Climate Change Science Program noted that models and observations agreed on this amplification for monthly and interannual time scales but not for decadal time scales in most observed data sets. Improved measurement and analysis techniques have reconciled this discrepancy: corrected buoy and satellite surface temperatures are slightly cooler and corrected satellite and radiosonde measurements of the tropical troposphere are slightly warmer.[117] Satellite temperature measurements show that tropospheric temperatures are increasing with "rates similar to those of the surface temperature", leading the IPCC to conclude that this discrepancy is reconciled.[118]

References

117) Santer, B. D.; Thorne, P. W.; Haimberger, L.; K. E. Taylor, T. M. L. Wigley, J. R. Lanzante, S. Solomon, M. Free, P. J. Gleckler, P. D. Jones, T. R. Karl, S. A. Klein, C. Mears, D. Nychka, G. A. Schmidt, S. C. Sherwood, and F. J. Wentz (2008). "Consistency of modelled and observed temperature trends in the tropical troposphere". International Journal of Climatology 28 (13): 1703–22. Bibcode:2008IJCli..28.1703S. doi:10.1002/joc.1756.

118) IPCC. "Summary for Policymakers". Direct Observations of Recent Climate Change, in IPCC AR4 WG1 2007.

 

[westwall]

I got a question for that diatribe of irrelevant information about the climate some 10,000 years ago.

What is your position, that there is no global warming because a ship got stranded or that the global warming isn't anthropogenic.

Because your diatribe presents both.

"that global warming ship hull is being crushed by thick ice packs"

Then a long presentation of paleotological warming. I suppose to demonstrate that current warming is due to solar insulance not AWG.

"The initial changes in temperature during this period are explained by changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun"

You think 10,000 years ago was a long time ago, considering there is a 41,000 year cycle?

Are you aware the planet has been around for an estimated 4.5 billion years?

You still think 10,000 years ago was a long time ago?

Here is a question. Is every liberal as stupid as you?

No, according to ifitzme the world was created 6,000 years ago. It's the only way that they can state the incredibly inane things they say.

 

[westwall]

Such hostility, all because you got caught making shit up. What are you, some sort of AGW scientist?

I am a parent. I don't know about you, but it creates in me a concern about the future. It leads me to view the opinions of people like FlaCalTenn and yourself as threats to my children.

And I made up nothing.

You make stuff up all of the time and I too am a parent and your willful ignorance and lack of critical thinking capability are dangerous to MY child.

 

[westwall]

It's on the website of the expedition itself, which I posted.

one can understand why the warmists would want to ditch the format of a global warming

expedition as quickly as they could

There are no "warmists" involved in this at all. I was defending the scientists aboard from the charge that they were responsible for getting the ship stuck in the ice.

I now concede that the ship was indeed chartered for an expedition. They were attempting to recreate the route of some famous explorer of the past. I did not, however, lie. I put down what I found in news reports and believed to be true.

Beyond that, I am done with this stupid topic. Being physically and chronologically localized, and the result of wind, the ship getting stuck in the ice has nothing to do with the climate. Besides, an increase in Antarctic ice has been forecast as a result of global warming for many years: increased temps->increased evaporation -> increased precipitation. And the breakup of the ice shelves off the coast has dramatically increased the glacial flow rate. So to suggest that climate scientists would be unaware there was significant ice where they were headed is idiotic and unsupportable.

No warmists... What a joke... Turney is a grad of East Anglia and a devout warmist. He has fucked over the entire Antarctic scientific program for this year because in addition to being a warmist he is a ******* imbecile as well.

It was a "scientific expedition" in name only. Basically it was a way for him to take his family on a trip to Antarctica along with a bunch of his friends and their families, and have the taxpayers foot the bill.

Scientific fraud at its finest.

The head of France's polar science institute has voiced fury at the misadventures of a Russian ship trapped in Antarctic ice, deriding what he called a tourists' trip that had diverted resources from real science.

In an interview with AFP, Yves Frenot, director of the French Polar Institute, said he had no issue at all with rescuing those aboard the stricken vessel.

He said the trip itself was a 'pseudo-scientific expedition' that, because it had run into difficulties, had drained resources from the French, Chinese and Australian scientific missions in Antarctica.

'There's no reason to place Antarctica off-limits and to keep it just for scientists, but this tourism has to be monitored and regulated so that operators can be sure of getting help if need be,' he said.

The Russian vessel, the Akademik Shokalskiy, became stuck on December 24 in frozen seas, 100 nautical miles east of the French Antarctic base, Dumont d'Urville.

Polar chief slams Antarctic cruise | Sky News Australia

Akademik Shokalskiy : le temps des interrogations | Contrepoints

 

[westwall]

So, they are in agreement then?

The ice expanse enlarges due to THE GLOBAL WARMING in the Antarctic.

Glaciers however, thins out in other regions of the world due to THE GLOBAL WARMING.

Yep. As was correctly predicted 22 years ago.

But, that information contradicts the 'tard mantras of your liars' cult, so you ran from it. It's a talent denialists have, ignoring any information that contradicts their religious dogma.

Since you can be counted on to run whenever any actual data is presented, why should anyone pay attention to you? You add nothing to the discussion, and you're not crazy enough to be amusing.

Cowardly, boring and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

No it wasn't you idiot. Your link stated that all but one of the computer models they ran predicted no ice, ONE of them showed the opposite which confused the researchers. No "prediction" at all.

 

[westwall]

What proof?

NCAR’s Wigley once complained to Mann, “Mike, the Figure you sent is very deceptive … there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC.…”

Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office warned Phil Jones, head of the CRU: “Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere, unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary.… I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it, which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.”

Suppressed critical knowledge: Phil Jones wrote, “I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working on the IPCC 5th Assessment Report would be to delete all e-mails at the end of the process. Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden. I’ve discussed this with the main funder [the U.S. Department of Energy] in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

The U.S. government was colluding with the hiders, who received tens of millions of dollars over the years.

Jones wrote to Mann, “Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith Briffa re AR4 [the IPCC 4th Assessment Report]? Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar Ammann to do likewise.”
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That isn't proof. Thats just a bunch of bullshit. No, really, it is.

Yeah, people get grants to do science. Oh wow. Yeah, so Phil Jones said. So? So the troposphere doesn't show rising tems? Yeah, so? The troposphere isn't the globe. Yeah, so? So some dude named Wigly complained. So?

None of that is proof of anything, unless you discard 99.9% of evidence and pick some obscure details that completely contradict the body of evidence.

Temperature readings are proof. CO2 readings are proof. Absorbtion spectrum of CO2 is proof. Correlation of temp to CO2 is proof.

Basic axiom of science.....pounded into the head of every first year science student...

"CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION"

and every AGW anti-science denier cultist ignores that simple fact...

 

[westwall]

;8407334Correlation of temp to CO2 is proof.

No it is not!

Yeah it is. Do you even know how to do a correlation? Tell me, what is the difference between the R^2 value and the coefficient of correlations? What does the R^2 value mean, exactly?

Yeah, it is proof.

"CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION"

Does that ring a bell in your tiny little mind?

 

[jon_berzerk]

;8407334Correlation of temp to CO2 is proof.

No it is not!

Yeah it is. Do you even know how to do a correlation? Tell me, what is the difference between the R^2 value and the coefficient of correlations? What does the R^2 value mean, exactly?

Yeah, it is proof.

leaves fall off the trees in the fall

children return to school in the fall

so by your standards

the children cause the leaves to fall off the trees in the fall

 

[jon_berzerk]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03QcymdCtg#t=264]Frozen Wasteland - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Abraham3]

No it is not!

Yeah it is. Do you even know how to do a correlation? Tell me, what is the difference between the R^2 value and the coefficient of correlations? What does the R^2 value mean, exactly?

Yeah, it is proof.

leaves fall off the trees in the fall

children return to school in the fall

so by your standards

the children cause the leaves to fall off the trees in the fall

Wow... Mr Kosh, you're just unstoppable.

 

[Abraham3]

So the troposphere doesn't show rising tems? Yeah, so? The troposphere isn't the globe.

And, it turns out that Peter Thorne comment was quite dated. After some buoy and satellite calibration issues were sorted out, turns out the tropical troposphere is indeed warming as theory predicted.

From Wikipedia, Global Warming:

Temperatures in the lower troposphere have increased between 0.13 and 0.22 °C (0.22 and 0.4 °F) per decade since 1979, according to satellite temperature measurements.

From Wikipedia, Global Warming Controversy

Instrumental record of tropospheric temperature
General circulation models and basic physical considerations predict that in the tropics the temperature of the troposphere should increase more rapidly than the temperature of the surface. A 2006 report to the U.S. Climate Change Science Program noted that models and observations agreed on this amplification for monthly and interannual time scales but not for decadal time scales in most observed data sets. Improved measurement and analysis techniques have reconciled this discrepancy: corrected buoy and satellite surface temperatures are slightly cooler and corrected satellite and radiosonde measurements of the tropical troposphere are slightly warmer.[117] Satellite temperature measurements show that tropospheric temperatures are increasing with "rates similar to those of the surface temperature", leading the IPCC to conclude that this discrepancy is reconciled.[118]

 

[Peterf]

How about identifying the speaker there Meister?

Ahh.. Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office.

As an Englishman it pains me to have to tell you that the UK Met Office is a nest of warmist vipers. Their wildly inaccurate AGM inspired medium and long term predictions have made them a national joke and an international embarrassment.

 

[Meister]

So the troposphere doesn't show rising tems? Yeah, so? The troposphere isn't the globe.

And, it turns out that Peter Thorne comment was quite dated. After some buoy and satellite calibration issues were sorted out, turns out the tropical troposphere is indeed warming as theory predicted.

From Wikipedia, Global Warming:

Temperatures in the lower troposphere have increased between 0.13 and 0.22 °C (0.22 and 0.4 °F) per decade since 1979, according to satellite temperature measurements.

From Wikipedia, Global Warming Controversy

Instrumental record of tropospheric temperature
General circulation models and basic physical considerations predict that in the tropics the temperature of the troposphere should increase more rapidly than the temperature of the surface. A 2006 report to the U.S. Climate Change Science Program noted that models and observations agreed on this amplification for monthly and interannual time scales but not for decadal time scales in most observed data sets. Improved measurement and analysis techniques have reconciled this discrepancy: corrected buoy and satellite surface temperatures are slightly cooler and corrected satellite and radiosonde measurements of the tropical troposphere are slightly warmer.[117] Satellite temperature measurements show that tropospheric temperatures are increasing with "rates similar to those of the surface temperature", leading the IPCC to conclude that this discrepancy is reconciled.[118]

"From wiki"? The place where anyone can go in and edit in whatever they wanted? That wiki?

 

[flacaltenn]

This story just KEEPS ON GIVING !!!!! Evidently the expedition pledged to plant trees to offset the carbon dioxide that the expedition would expend.. Wait !!! not yet !!!!

Forest needed to cover carbon footprint of icy rescue - National - NZ Herald News

Forest needed to cover carbon footprint of icy rescue

The expedition had pledged to plant about 800 kauri trees in Northland to cover its carbon footprint. Environmentalists believe planting trees helps to offset the impact of burning fuels such as diesel.
But former Act Party leader and Herald on Sunday columnist Mr Hide said that would have to increase to about 5000 trees to make up for the fossil fuels burned in the rescue. Mr Hide said he had come to that figure using online carbon calculators, but admitted he'd had to make some assumptions.


Expedition leader Chris Turney said more trees would be needed than earlier estimated but he was yet to work out how many.

OK --- NOW!



Wish I could see Skookers face when he reads this... We really need a Skype link to post some of this crap !!!!!!!

 

[Little-Acorn]