Global Warming (Assuming It's Happening) is a Blessing From God

[Crick]

A little more geometery[sic]. One-third of earth's land mass lies north of the 45th parallel. This is the line that crosses through Minnesota, Montana, and the northern US and Siberia. The majority of this land is uninhabitable due to extreme cold. Global warming would open it all up to development and farming. This would be a huge blessing to mankind.

Just a little FYI, that's not geometry.

The sea level rise? Would that be a huge blessing to mankind?

The extinctions? Would those be a huge blessing to mankind?

The crop failures? Would those be a huge blessing to mankind?

The increased number and intensity of heat waves? Would those be a blessing to mankind?

The new diseases? Would those be a blessing to mankind?

The forced migrations of hundreds of millions of people? Would that be a blessing to mankind?

“Simply put, land feeds us all,” he said, noting the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the Intergovernmental Science‑Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services report that 25 per cent of the world’s land has been rendered unusable, “threatening everything we eat, drink and breathe”.

Loss of World’s Arable Land Threat to ‘Everything We Eat, Drink, Breathe’, Speaker Says, as Second Committee Takes Up Sustainable Development | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

The devastating impacts of climate change threaten the progress and even existence of least developed countries, speakers told the Second Committee (Economic and Financial) today during the first of two days of debate on the issue of sustainable development.

press.un.org

 

[Mashmont]

Just a little FYI, that's not geometry.

The sea level rise? Would that be a huge blessing to mankind?

The extinctions? Would those be a huge blessing to mankind?

The crop failures? Would those be a huge blessing to mankind?

The increased number and intensity of heat waves? Would those be a blessing to mankind?

The new diseases? Would those be a blessing to mankind?

The forced migrations of hundreds of millions of people? Would that be a blessing to mankind?

“Simply put, land feeds us all,” he said, noting the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the Intergovernmental Science‑Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services report that 25 per cent of the world’s land has been rendered unusable, “threatening everything we eat, drink and breathe”.

Loss of World’s Arable Land Threat to ‘Everything We Eat, Drink, Breathe’, Speaker Says, as Second Committee Takes Up Sustainable Development | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

The devastating impacts of climate change threaten the progress and even existence of least developed countries, speakers told the Second Committee (Economic and Financial) today during the first of two days of debate on the issue of sustainable development.

press.un.org

You didn't read my post. HUGE new vistas will now be open for development and farming. Formerly uninhabitable frozen wastelands. Tell me how this isn't cause for celebration.

 

[Crick]

You didn't read my post. HUGE new vistas will now be open for development and farming. Formerly uninhabitable frozen wastelands. Tell me how this isn't cause for celebration.

Because all of the things I mentioned will be happening at the same time or sooner. And did you read my link? We have already LOST 25% of the Earth's arable land to climate change. That's not huge new vistas opening up. That's a fucking disaster in the making.

And I have to ask, based on the wording of the title and you being the OP, do you believe global warming is an act of God?

 

[Mashmont]

Because all of the things I mentioned will be happening at the same time or sooner. And did you read my link? We have already LOST 25% of the Earth's arable land to climate change. That's not huge new vistas opening up. That's a fucking disaster in the making.

And I have to ask, based on the wording of the title and you being the OP, do you believe global warming is an act of God?

First, I don't believe that global warming is anything but a cyclical thing, but the big thing is we have no idea where we are in the cycle or how big or small the cycle is. So worry about global warming is as silly as worrying about sunspots or meteorites, or earthquakes, or tsunamis. They just ARE, and we have to deal with them if they happen. There is absolutely nothing we can do about global warming if it exists. It is purely a political issue designed to extract billions of dollars to the Marxist left from the United States taxpayer. If you notice ZERO pressure is ever placed on the biggest pollution offender, which is China. That right there is the tell that this effort is a sham.

 

[Crick]

First, I don't believe that global warming is anything but a cyclical thing, but the big thing is we have no idea where we are in the cycle or how big or small the cycle is.

We have mountains of historical data and the current warming trend fits NO discernible cycle. No one has found ANY other cause for the warming than the increased CO2 in our atmosphere and multiple analyses have shown that every speck of CO2 above what was present before the Industrial Revolution (and for 14 million years further back) was created by the combustion of fossile fuels, ie, by man.

So worry about global warming is as silly as worrying about sunspots or meteorites, or earthquakes, or tsunamis.

That is incorrect. Global warming will do great harm and it WAS preventable.

They just ARE, and we have to deal with them if they happen.

That is demonstrably false.

There is absolutely nothing we can do about global warming if it exists.

That is also demonstrably false.

It is purely a political issue designed to extract billions of dollars to the Marxist left from the United States taxpayer.

Utter nonsense. Do you have any evidence to support ANYTHING you've said here?

If you notice ZERO pressure is ever placed on the biggest pollution offender, which is China.

China is currently spending more than we are to reduce her CO2 emissions. Her per capita emissions are already much lower than ours.

That right there is the tell that this effort is a sham.

All it tells us is that you have an extremely poor grasp of science or even of reality.

 

[ReinyDays]

The majority of this land is uninhabitable due to extreme cold.

I live near the 45th parallel ... it didn't freeze last winter ... South Dakota, Vermont, Spain, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Hokkaido ... you bet it gets cold in these places but nothing like the Inuit or Siberians endure ...

I think humans are the only large animal to inhabit Antarctica year-round ... there's even humans living in space right now ... the Moon and Mars ain't far behind ...

There's no such thing as "uninhabitable" ...

 

[Mashmont]

We have mountains of historical data and the current warming trend fits NO discernible cycle. No one has found ANY other cause for the warming than the increased CO2 in our atmosphere and multiple analyses have shown that every speck of CO2 above what was present before the Industrial Revolution (and for 14 million years further back) was created by the combustion of fossile fuels, ie, by man.

That is incorrect. Global warming will do great harm and it WAS preventable.

That is demonstrably false.

That is also demonstrably false.

Utter nonsense. Do you have any evidence to support ANYTHING you've said here?

China is currently spending more than we are to reduce her CO2 emissions. Her per capita emissions are already much lower than ours.

All it tells us is that you have an extremely poor grasp of science or even of reality.

Link any of you claims. Saying it is "demonstrably false" doesn't isn't evidence.

China is building coal refining plants as we speak.

China responsible for 95% of new coal power construction in 2023, report says - Carbon Brief

China accounted for 95% of the world’s new coal power construction activity in 2023, according to the Global Energy Monitor.

www.carbonbrief.org

Love the 'per capita' out, considing China has four times the population we do. China creates 1/3 of the world's carbon emissions. Yet no pressure is being put on them to do anything. I found no reports on their spending. Can you supply one?

 

[Crick]

Link any of you claims. Saying it is "demonstrably false" doesn't isn't evidence.

www.ipcc.ch

or, more specifically

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_FullReport_small.pdf

China is building coal refining plants as we speak.

That does not mean they aren't spending money to reduce their CO2 emissions.

Love the 'per capita' out, considing China has four times the population we do.

Deniers always reject the obvious logic.

Under ANY conditions, who will produce more CO2, China or the Vatican? China. Why? Because the Vatican has 825 people and China has 1,400,000,000. But if the Vatican is producing 20 tons of CO2 per citizen and China is producing 5, who is being more responsible? Per capita emissions are obviously the proper manner to evaluate national emissions.

China creates 1/3 of the world's carbon emissions. Yet no pressure is being put on them to do anything.

They signed the Paris Accords. Pressue IS being put on them.

I found no reports on their spending. Can you supply one?

You didn't look very hard.

Google AI
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• 2022
  China invested $546 billion in clean energy, which is almost four times the amount invested by the United States. This investment included solar and wind energy, electric vehicles, and batteries.
  
  
• 2024–2025
  China's 2024–2025 Action Plan aims to reduce energy consumption and CO2 per unit of GDP.
  
  
• 2060
  According to the World Bank, China may need to invest between $14–17 trillion in green infrastructure and technology to reach net-zero emissions by 2060. The bank also suggests that China may need policy and regulatory reforms to encourage private sector investment and innovation.
  
  
• Science expenditures
  Science expenditures can help promote energy-saving technology, low-carbon transportation systems, and improved traffic management. The government can also use financial subsidies to encourage enterprises to develop low-carbon products.

China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable energy, and has one-third of the world's renewable energy capacity. China also leads the global supply chains for many low-carbon technologies, including solar panels, wind turbines, and critical minerals.

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[Crick]

My being a Catholic helps me assume a positive outlook on pretty much everything. And so it is with global warming.

I've asked you this three times now and I think you owe us an answer of some sort, particularly since your thread title states this as a fact.

Do you believe global warming is an act of God?

 

[Mashmont]

www.ipcc.ch

or, more specifically

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_FullReport_small.pdf

That does not mean they aren't spending money to reduce their CO2 emissions.

Deniers always reject the obvious logic.

Under ANY conditions, who will produce more CO2, China or the Vatican? China. Why? Because the Vatican has 825 people and China has 1,400,000,000. But if the Vatican is producing 20 tons of CO2 per citizen and China is producing 5, who is being more responsible? Per capita emissions are obviously the proper manner to evaluate national emissions.

They signed the Paris Accords. Pressue IS being put on them.

You didn't look very hard.

Google AI
China has invested billions of dollars in clean energy and other areasto reduce carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions:

• 2022
  China invested $546 billion in clean energy, which is almost four times the amount invested by the United States. This investment included solar and wind energy, electric vehicles, and batteries.
  
  
• 2024–2025
  China's 2024–2025 Action Plan aims to reduce energy consumption and CO2 per unit of GDP.
  
  
• 2060
  According to the World Bank, China may need to invest between $14–17 trillion in green infrastructure and technology to reach net-zero emissions by 2060. The bank also suggests that China may need policy and regulatory reforms to encourage private sector investment and innovation.
  
  
• Science expenditures
  Science expenditures can help promote energy-saving technology, low-carbon transportation systems, and improved traffic management. The government can also use financial subsidies to encourage enterprises to develop low-carbon products.

China is already the world's largest producer and consumer of renewable energy, and has one-third of the world's renewable energy capacity. China also leads the global supply chains for many low-carbon technologies, including solar panels, wind turbines, and critical minerals.

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C Xu, Y Xu, J Chen, S Huang, B Zhou… - Journal of Environmental …, 2023 - Elsevier
… the carbon emission reduction effect of fiscal environmental expenditure in China's cities
based … Considering the availability and integrity of the data, the study covers 106 Chinese cities …
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H Dai, T Masui, Y Matsuoka, S Fujimori - Energy policy, 2012 - Elsevier
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other countries, then we explore possible household consumption expenditure patterns in …
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Y Zhu, Z Liu, S Feng, N Lu - Environmental Science and Pollution …, 2022 - Springer
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S Cheng, Y Chen, F Meng, J Chen, G Liu… - Resources, Conservation …, 2021 - Elsevier
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RF Garbaccio, MS Ho, DW Jorgenson - … and development economics, 1999 - cambridge.org
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general equilibrium (CGE) model of the Chinese … through the state budget or indirectly …
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Your sources about China are from the Chinese government. Totally reliable.

 

[Mashmont]

I've asked you this three times now and I think you owe us an answer of some sort, particularly since your thread title states this as a fact.

Do you believe global warming is an act of God?

I already answered. Of course it is. So is global cooling. It's one of the many cycles that naturally occur.

 

[Dagosa]

A little more geometery. One-third of earth's land mass lies north of the 45th parallel. This is the line that crosses through Minnesota, Montana, and the northern US and Siberia. The majority of this land is uninhabitable due to extreme cold. Global warming would open it all up to development and farming. This would be a huge blessing to mankind.

The vast majority of earths inhabitants already live in the northern hemisphere… population density would just increase. Besides, AGW is NOT about the change, it’s about the change FASTER than humans can evolve to new locations. We are already suffering extreme hardships as peoples are migrating to more inhabitable areas. It’s not just about warm and cold areas, that’s shortsighted. It’s also about farmlands and rain fall. When the weather changes rapidly it could vary from one year to the next, making food growth problematic regardless of the temps. A cold area is not an improvement if it’s rainfall and growable soil is non existent. It’s about the RATE OF CHANGE.

 

[Dagosa]

I already answered. Of course it is. So is global cooling. It's one of the many cycles that naturally occur.

Act of god ? So god is acting though man kind who is burning fossil fuels, right

 

[ChemEngineer]

Mash, you forgot. Australia is closing six (6) coal-fired power plants to "save the world." Doesn't that like totally cancel out the hundreds of new ones that China AND India are building?

Also when one of his fawning television fans challenged the doddering National Geographic spokesman, David Attenborough, what HE was doing to offset his jet-setting to far-away places he frequents on television, arriving by private jet, bien sur, he said, "When I'm not charging my cell phone, I unplug the charger."
Aside from that tsunami of ignorance, chargers only draw current when they are.... charging........
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[Mashmont]

Act of god ? So god is acting though man kind who is burning fossil fuels, right

God allows people to do what they want to do. It's called free will. God also allows Marxist thugs to try to control others. At least for awhile.

 

[Mashmont]

The vast majority of earths inhabitants already live in the northern hemisphere… population density would just increase. Besides, AGW is NOT about the change, it’s about the change FASTER than humans can evolve to new locations. We are already suffering extreme hardships as peoples are migrating to more inhabitable areas. It’s not just about warm and cold areas, that’s shortsighted. It’s also about farmlands and rain fall. When the weather changes rapidly it could vary from one year to the next, making food growth problematic regardless of the temps. A cold area is not an improvement if it’s rainfall and growable soil is non existent. It’s about the RATE OF CHANGE.

Climate has always changed and always will.

 

[Crick]

Your sources about China are from the Chinese government. Totally reliable.

They are not from the Chinese government. They are from Google AI and western science journals.

 

[Crick]

I already answered. Of course it is. So is global cooling. It's one of the many cycles that naturally occur.

Which is it? A naturally occurring event or an act of God. They are NOT the same thing.

 

[Crick]

Climate has always changed and always will.

Climate has been very steady for the last 11,000 years. CO2 levels have not been at our current levels for 14 million years and that includes 30 glacial-interglacial cycles over the last 2.58 million years with temperature swings of more than 10C.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because all of the things I mentioned will be happening at the same time or sooner. And did you read my link? We have already LOST 25% of the Earth's arable land to climate change. That's not huge new vistas opening up. That's a fucking disaster in the making.

And I have to ask, based on the wording of the title and you being the OP, do you believe global warming is an act of God?

We have already LOST 25% of the Earth's arable land to climate change.

From a 1 degree increase in "global surface temperature" in the last 140 years? Bullshit!

How much arable land was added?