YoursTruly
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If I wasn't a fiscal and constitutional conservative, I wouldn't be objecting to liberals and liberal republicans spending, debt, taxes and inflation. I'd be claiming that Trump, Biden and Obama were fine and dandy.You are NOT a Conservative, fiscal or Constitutional!
For a start, you don't talk(write) like one.
Next, you appear to not have any real economic clue, or are blatantly lying on the matter.
For example;
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Payment of US national debt
On January 8, 1835, president Andrew Jackson paid off the entire national debt, the only time in U.S. history that has been accomplished.[14][15] However, this and other factors, such as the government giving surplus money to state banks, soon led to the Panic of 1837, in which the government had to resume borrowing money.[14]
1836 to 1910
In 1836 debt began again (the debt on January 1, 1836 was $37,000).[16][17]
Another sharp increase in the debt occurred as a result of the Civil War. The debt was just $65 million in 1860, but passed $1 billion in 1863 and reached $2.7 billion by the end of the war. During the following 47 years, there were 36 surpluses and 11 deficits. During this period 55% of the national debt was paid off.
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History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Since then, both major parties have played their roles in growing the Debt, via Deficits. As a general rule of thumb, the Democrats do so by running Debt to pay for social programs at the cost of Defense, the Republicans tend to make good on cuts to Defense with rebuilding such while trying to slow down social program funding. Challenge to both is that in recent decades those unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare have grown in percentage now needing to be paid for.
Main point is, the process was in play long before Reagan came into office. More recent "villian" would be FDR, than LBJ, both Democrats. By the time Reagan came to office, USA Defense had been under funded to point of danger in dealing with a growing Soviet Russian military threat so had to renew better funding to Defense while also trying to keep up with social programs. Then Clinton flipped back to under fund Defense to boast Social, and our military was short on bombs, bullets, and spare parts, etc. when 9/11(2001) hit and we needed to start the WOT.
Further challenge in recent decades is that the POTUS, of either party, gets the budget from Congress just before the Fiscal Year will end, so if they don't sign off under duress, much of the Federal Government goes into November unfunded resulting in "Shut Downs" which throws much of the Nation and our Economy into turmoil. Often leaves a POTUS in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" sort of Catch 22.
I doubt you'll bother to look or understand these figures, but for other's to reference, here's the OBM US Debt Clock for the present. Note in the upper right there is a "Time Clock" function that allows looking at figures going back in increments to 1980 to get some gauge on how it's grown from one Admin to another.
"US Federal Debt to GDP Ratio" is one of the important data points to consider and understand how things have spun out of control.
From you're very own link. Notice the national debt all the way up to the 80's. Slow and steady growth. In the 70, I was young and made about $3 per hour. And had money in my pocket. Not much, but I was a teen and didn't need much. But I could still buy gas for my pick up, some nice shoes now and then. A stereo for my truck. etc etc etc.. You know, teenager stuff. My older brother made $8 per hour and lived pretty large.
Caving is what Trump did best. Had he vetoed more than on spending bill, you might have a point. But that's all he vetoed. If the government shuts down because of over spending, or overrides his veto, then it's on the House and Senate. Not the president.
I want a strong conservative leader, who's not going to cave to big spending liberals.
There's nothing wrong with a president getting on national TV and explaining what's in the bill that he opposes and why he's vetoing a spending bill. That he objects to the billions of our tax dollars going overseas to fund things like gender studies and border fences. That's what a conservative president would do.
LMAO.. You keep throwing out those liberals like I support them. Again, "If you have to lie to make a point, then you really don't have one." Do you?
Seriously, if you're going to make up crap to try and discredit me and my conservative principles, at least use facts. Otherwise you're just exposing yourself as part of the Trump cancel culture and proving my point made in the OP.
