Get your imaginary 'pause' off me, you damn delusional deniers

[PredFan]

Actually 'global warming' is the name scientists have given to the increase, in the last century and a half or so, in the amount of solar energy the Earth receives over the amount it can radiate away into space due to the increased greenhouse effect created by the rising CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced. Our understanding of what is happening is called 'science' and it is based on the laws of physics and many decades of scientific research by tens of thousands of scientists in dozens of countries all around the world.

Your ignorant denial of that science and your insane attempt to call science a religion is called 'severe retardation'.

It's the sun stupid!

No ProdFcked, "it's the sun" is a denier cult slogan that stupid people like you say when you're too moronic to understand the science behind the greenhouse effect or the fact that solar irradiance has been declining while temperatures have been rising.

I understand the science behind the greenhouse effect too well. I know it enough to know that it's not affecting our climate.

I also know a lot about the sun's affect on our climate and weather. Perhaps you should broaden your knowledge.

 

[PredFan]

It's the sun stupid!

Data says it stopped increasing the past 50 years. If the cycles follow the solar flex then the temperature should be going down.

Not true at all.. There is ZERO reason to believe the climate system as complicated as ours requires that the forcing function MATCH EXACTLY the temperature result.. A simple DELAY mechanism (like ocean storage of heat) or ACTUAL storage would allow temperatures to ramp well after a "pause" in excitation.. Which is ENTIRELY the case of solar which is paused at a 150 yr RELATIVE MAXIMUM in terms of TSI..

In fact, the meager amount of climate science dedicated to studying how the climate REALLY WORKS (with delays and storage and all) EXPECTS a thermal time constant of 30 to 60 yrs for the Earth to reach a new equilibrium in response to a step change in input forcing function..

A step function IMBALANCE in heat in versus heat out into a system with thermal lags and storage would BE EXPECTED to continue ramping until a new thermal equilibrium is reached.

Temperature pause SINCE 2000? Solar TSI paused around 1970 or so... That's how a big ball of stuff SHOULD respond to a heat imbalance.. Absolutely perfect fit...

The AGW faithful keep talking about the last 150 years. That's what's known as cherry picking the data. they completely ignore the millennia of heating and cooling of our planet prior to that. It doesn't fit their religious beliefs.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Actually 'global warming' is the name scientists have given to the increase, in the last century and a half or so, in the amount of solar energy the Earth receives over the amount it can radiate away into space due to the increased greenhouse effect created by the rising CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced. Our understanding of what is happening is called 'science' and it is based on the laws of physics and many decades of scientific research by tens of thousands of scientists in dozens of countries all around the world.

Your ignorant denial of that science and your insane attempt to call science a religion is called 'severe retardation'.

It's the sun stupid!

Data says it stopped increasing the past 50 years. If the cycles follow the solar flex then the temperature should be going down.

Weather Blog: Dangerous Cold Tuesday « CBS Philly

"The Polar Vortex has dropped unusually far south, keeping the Contiguous United States below freezing overnight, and 90-percent of the country below freezing Tuesday!"

90% of the USA below freezing....due to Global Warming, amiright?

Just as predicted by your models

 

[flacaltenn]

Actually 'global warming' is the name scientists have given to the increase, in the last century and a half or so, in the amount of solar energy the Earth receives over the amount it can radiate away into space due to the increased greenhouse effect created by the rising CO2 levels that mankind's activities have produced. Our understanding of what is happening is called 'science' and it is based on the laws of physics and many decades of scientific research by tens of thousands of scientists in dozens of countries all around the world.

Your ignorant denial of that science and your insane attempt to call science a religion is called 'severe retardation'.

It's the sun stupid!

No ProdFcked, "it's the sun" is a denier cult slogan that stupid people like you say when you're too moronic to understand the science behind the greenhouse effect or the fact that solar irradiance has been declining while temperatures have been rising.

.....:"stupid people like you say when you're too moronic.... ""

Oh you mean things like ----- "the fact that solar irradiance has been DECLINING while temperatures have been RISING?"""

THAT KIND OF MORONIC ?? Now i get it...

You see a DECLINE in the Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) there TinkerBelle??

((Whatever you do next -- DO NOT POST A CHART of SUN SPOTS.. Solar irradiance is not MEASURED in sunspots. It's measured in W/M^2) SUNSPOTS is what the Warming Clergy use to convince the foolish natives that the sun's 11 years cycles matter to the long term thermal equilibrium of a Planet.. ))

 

[flacaltenn]

Data says it stopped increasing the past 50 years. If the cycles follow the solar flex then the temperature should be going down.

Not true at all.. There is ZERO reason to believe the climate system as complicated as ours requires that the forcing function MATCH EXACTLY the temperature result.. A simple DELAY mechanism (like ocean storage of heat) or ACTUAL storage would allow temperatures to ramp well after a "pause" in excitation.. Which is ENTIRELY the case of solar which is paused at a 150 yr RELATIVE MAXIMUM in terms of TSI..

In fact, the meager amount of climate science dedicated to studying how the climate REALLY WORKS (with delays and storage and all) EXPECTS a thermal time constant of 30 to 60 yrs for the Earth to reach a new equilibrium in response to a step change in input forcing function..

A step function IMBALANCE in heat in versus heat out into a system with thermal lags and storage would BE EXPECTED to continue ramping until a new thermal equilibrium is reached.

Temperature pause SINCE 2000? Solar TSI paused around 1970 or so... That's how a big ball of stuff SHOULD respond to a heat imbalance.. Absolutely perfect fit...

The AGW faithful keep talking about the last 150 years. That's what's known as cherry picking the data. they completely ignore the millennia of heating and cooling of our planet prior to that. It doesn't fit their religious beliefs.

Very few of their "scholars" have produced any meaningful revelations to how the Global System actually works.. With all the attention and the money --- you'd figure we'd have a better handle on things like Ocean Thermal Storage.. Or how the cyclical ocean heating patterns work. Or more definitive details on feedbacks and delays.

All is focused on 50 of those 150 years like you said. Squandered opportunities. Even the Paleo work is focused on trying to match the Global Average Temp record of the modern era JUST FOR THE POLITICAL PURPOSE of making comparisons and confirming their "crisis"..

 

[SwimExpert]

Maybe if they'd stop blowing out so much hot air, we wouldn't have a global warming crisis in the first place.

 

[RollingThunder]

It's the sun stupid!

Data says it stopped increasing the past 50 years. If the cycles follow the solar flex then the temperature should be going down.

Actually no. Scientists, those who study the sun, say that there has been quite a bit of unusual activity from the sun in very recent years.

The amount of energy the Earth receives from the sun has gone down slightly, as measured by satellite instrumentation. That's the reality. Any "unusual activity" on the sun has to do with magnetic fields and pole shifts, not any increases in energy output. You make silly claims but you don't back them up with any evidence. That may work to fool your fellow gullible denier cult retards but normal people demand some evidence and not just your hot air.

 

[RollingThunder]

You should look to the green companies for your "Big Oil" nexus. They get loads from Big Oil. Sceptics.... not so much. We can't do anything for them. You guy's though...with your ridiculous claims, have hurt your cause more than anyone...and for that we thank you!

Your usual divorced-from-reality retarded nonsense, walleyed. You'll say anything, no matter how absurd or how lacking in any factual evidence, if it seems to support your denier cult myths and fantasies.

Exclusive: Billionaires secretly fund attacks on climate science
Audit trail reveals that donors linked to fossil fuel industry are backing global warming sceptics
The Independent
STEVE CONNOR
24 January 2013
(excerpts)
A secretive funding organisation in the United States that guarantees anonymity for its billionaire donors has emerged as a major operator in the climate "counter movement" to undermine the science of global warming, The Independent has learnt. The Donors Trust, along with its sister group Donors Capital Fund, based in Alexandria, Virginia, is funnelling millions of dollars into the effort to cast doubt on climate change without revealing the identities of its wealthy backers or that they have links to the fossil fuel industry. However, an audit trail reveals that Donors is being indirectly supported by the American billionaire Charles Koch who, with his brother David, jointly owns a majority stake in Koch Industries, a large oil, gas and chemicals conglomerate based in Kansas. Millions of dollars has been paid to Donors through a third-party organisation, called the Knowledge and Progress Fund, with is operated by the Koch family but does not advertise its Koch connections.

Anonymous private funding of global warming sceptics, who have criticised climate scientists for their lack of transparency, is becoming increasingly common. The Kochs, for instance, have overtaken the corporate funding of climate denialism by oil companies such as ExxonMobil. One such organisation, Americans for Prosperity, which was established by David Koch, claimed that the "Climategate" emails illegally hacked from the University of East Anglia in 2009 proved that global warming was the "biggest hoax the world has ever seen". Robert Brulle, a sociologist at Drexel University in Philadelphia, has estimated that over the past decade about $500m has been given to organisations devoted to undermining the science of climate change, with much of the money donated anonymously through third parties.

The fatcat ecocrats exposed: Web of 'green' politicians, tycoons and power brokers who help each other benefit from billions raised on your bills
Four of nine-person Climate Change Committee, official watchdog that dictates green energy policy, are, or were until recently, being paid by firms that benefit from committee decisions
Wind farms handed £5 million to switch off turbines as thousands of homes left without power - Telegraph

The article you cite doesn't support your empty claims, walleyed. As usual.

Wind farms handed £5 million to switch off turbines as thousands of homes left without power
The Telegraph
30 Dec 2013
(excerpts)

The National Grid has said the system is needed to balance supply and demand and the money handed to wind farms make up only a small proportion of constraint payments made to generators of all types.

A spokesman for RenewableUK, the lobby group representing wind farm companies, said: “December has been a record-breaking period for the amount of clean power generated by wind, with the most electricity we've ever generated in a month – more than 2 million megawatt hours. It’s very easy to turn a wind turbine on or off compared to other forms of generation such as a nuclear power station. That is partly why the National Grid sometimes calls on wind developers to constrain their power.”

 

[RollingThunder]

It's the sun stupid!

No ProdFcked, "it's the sun" is a denier cult slogan that stupid people like you say when you're too moronic to understand the science behind the greenhouse effect or the fact that solar irradiance has been declining while temperatures have been rising.

I understand the science behind the greenhouse effect too well. I know it enough to know that it's not affecting our climate.

I also know a lot about the sun's affect on our climate and weather. Perhaps you should broaden your knowledge.

Saying that you understand something doesn't mean squat, ProdFcked, unless you actually demonstrate some understanding of the subject. So far, you've demonstrated that, regarding the greenhouse effect and climate science, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Just by saying that the greenhouse effect doesn't affect the climate, you demonstrates your complete ignorance about what the 'greenhouse effect' actually refers to, nitwit.

 

[RollingThunder]

The AGW faithful keep talking about the last 150 years. That's what's known as cherry picking the data. they completely ignore the millennia of heating and cooling of our planet prior to that. It doesn't fit their religious beliefs.

LOLOLOLOL....you just keep on revealing how completely ignorant you are about this subject, ProdFcked.

Scientists use the temperature record for the last 150 years because that's the length of the instrumental temperature record, you flaming retard. Scientists study the temperatures the world was at in the preceding millenniums with the use of temperature proxies. The world experienced climate and temperature shifts in the distant past due to natural climate forcings but the current abrupt warming trend is not being caused by any natural forcings; it is being caused by the unnatural 43% increase (so far) in CO2 levels that mankind's burning of fossil fuels has produced.

 

[RollingThunder]

It's the sun stupid!

No ProdFcked, "it's the sun" is a denier cult slogan that stupid people like you say when you're too moronic to understand the science behind the greenhouse effect or the fact that solar irradiance has been declining while temperatures have been rising.

.....:"stupid people like you say when you're too moronic.... ""

Oh you mean things like ----- "the fact that solar irradiance has been DECLINING while temperatures have been RISING?"""

THAT KIND OF MORONIC ?? Now i get it...

Sorry, fecalhead, but you are actually too moronic to have the capacity to comprehend just how moronic you really are.

You see a DECLINE in the Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) there TinkerBelle??

Only retards like you you, fecalhead, imagine that minute changes in solar irradiance from many decades or centuries ago are still affecting the Earth's temperatures today. In the real world, this is the relevant graph.

Annual global temperature change (thin light red) with 11 year moving average of temperature (thick dark red). Temperature from NASA GISS. Annual Total Solar Irradiance (thin light blue) with 11 year moving average of TSI (thick dark blue). TSI from 1880 to 1978 from Krivova et al 2007 (data). TSI from 1979 to 2009 from PMOD.

 

[RollingThunder]

As I mentioned in the OP, a good deal of the the extra heat energy the Earth has been retaining due to the increased CO2 levels has been going into the oceans.

In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
ClimateProgress
By Dana Nuccitelli
March 25, 2013
(excerpts)
A new study of ocean warming has just been published in Geophysical Research Letters by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013). There are several important conclusions which can be drawn from this paper.

* Completely contrary to the popular contrarian myth, global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans have been warming dramatically.

* As suspected, much of the ‘missing heat’ Kevin Trenberth previously talked about has been found in the deep oceans. Consistent with the results of Nuccitelli et al. (2012), this study finds that 30% of the ocean warming over the past decade has occurred in the deeper oceans below 700 meters, which they note is unprecedented over at least the past half century.

* Some recent studies have concluded based on the slowed global surface warming over the past decade that the sensitivity of the climate to the increased greenhouse effect is somewhat lower than the IPCC best estimate. Those studies are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the warming of the deep oceans.

* The slowed surface air warming over the past decade has lulled many people into a false and unwarranted sense of security.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

As I mentioned in the OP, a good deal of the the extra heat energy the Earth has been retaining due to the increased CO2 levels has been going into the oceans.

In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
ClimateProgress
By Dana Nuccitelli
March 25, 2013
(excerpts)
A new study of ocean warming has just been published in Geophysical Research Letters by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013). There are several important conclusions which can be drawn from this paper.

* Completely contrary to the popular contrarian myth, global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans have been warming dramatically.

* As suspected, much of the ‘missing heat’ Kevin Trenberth previously talked about has been found in the deep oceans. Consistent with the results of Nuccitelli et al. (2012), this study finds that 30% of the ocean warming over the past decade has occurred in the deeper oceans below 700 meters, which they note is unprecedented over at least the past half century.

* Some recent studies have concluded based on the slowed global surface warming over the past decade that the sensitivity of the climate to the increased greenhouse effect is somewhat lower than the IPCC best estimate. Those studies are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the warming of the deep oceans.

* The slowed surface air warming over the past decade has lulled many people into a false and unwarranted sense of security.

LOL...the Deep Oceans ate my Global Warming

LOL

It's hysterical

 

[RollingThunder]

As I mentioned in the OP, a good deal of the the extra heat energy the Earth has been retaining due to the increased CO2 levels has been going into the oceans.

In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
ClimateProgress
By Dana Nuccitelli
March 25, 2013
(excerpts)
A new study of ocean warming has just been published in Geophysical Research Letters by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013). There are several important conclusions which can be drawn from this paper.

* Completely contrary to the popular contrarian myth, global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans have been warming dramatically.

* As suspected, much of the ‘missing heat’ Kevin Trenberth previously talked about has been found in the deep oceans. Consistent with the results of Nuccitelli et al. (2012), this study finds that 30% of the ocean warming over the past decade has occurred in the deeper oceans below 700 meters, which they note is unprecedented over at least the past half century.

* Some recent studies have concluded based on the slowed global surface warming over the past decade that the sensitivity of the climate to the increased greenhouse effect is somewhat lower than the IPCC best estimate. Those studies are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the warming of the deep oceans.

* The slowed surface air warming over the past decade has lulled many people into a false and unwarranted sense of security.

LOL...the Deep Oceans ate my Global Warming. LOL. It's hysterical

It seems "hysterical" only to anti-science retards like yourself, CrazyFruitcake.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The deep ocean...700M down ate it

LOL

You woke up...and the AGW was gone!

LOL

 

[RollingThunder]

The deep ocean...700M down ate it. LOL. You woke up...and the AGW was gone! LOL

Too bad you're too retarded to understand just how retarded your denial of reality actually is, CrazyFruitcake

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How did the Warming get down to the Deep Ocean in the first place? Was this warming from 15 years ago that migrated? Does this mean that the current lower surface temps that will take their turn in migrating down to 700m will cause the death of AGW or will the warmer 700M water rise to the surface?

 

[RollingThunder]

How did the Warming get down to the Deep Ocean in the first place? Was this warming from 15 years ago that migrated? Does this mean that the current lower surface temps that will take their turn in migrating down to 700m will cause the death of AGW or will the warmer 700M water rise to the surface?

Even if I told you that the increased transfer of heat to the deeper ocean waters was caused by, among other things, changes in wind patterns associated with an ocean cycle called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, what would that mean to a scientifically ignorant retard like you, CrazyFruitcake? How would that affect your brainwashed denial of the reality of AGW?








Instead of trying to bully people with your inane nonsense, and third grade insults, how about showing us the math behind this mysterious disappearing heat that somehow exists below the thermocline.

 

[flacaltenn]

No ProdFcked, "it's the sun" is a denier cult slogan that stupid people like you say when you're too moronic to understand the science behind the greenhouse effect or the fact that solar irradiance has been declining while temperatures have been rising.

.....:"stupid people like you say when you're too moronic.... ""

Oh you mean things like ----- "the fact that solar irradiance has been DECLINING while temperatures have been RISING?"""

THAT KIND OF MORONIC ?? Now i get it...

Sorry, fecalhead, but you are actually too moronic to have the capacity to comprehend just how moronic you really are.

You see a DECLINE in the Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) there TinkerBelle??

Only retards like you you, fecalhead, imagine that minute changes in solar irradiance from many decades or centuries ago are still affecting the Earth's temperatures today. In the real world, this is the relevant graph.

Annual global temperature change (thin light red) with 11 year moving average of temperature (thick dark red). Temperature from NASA GISS. Annual Total Solar Irradiance (thin light blue) with 11 year moving average of TSI (thick dark blue). TSI from 1880 to 1978 from Krivova et al 2007 (data). TSI from 1979 to 2009 from PMOD.

See --- now you really REALLY SCREWED up by posting crap from skepticalscience.. That "limp dick" hanging at the end of their phoney TSI curve DID NOT COME from the PMOD data.. It's a CRAYON PROJECT of the slackers at the fart factory that composes the bulk of your brain.. Even their link to the PMOD data is convieniently broken and would NEVER EVER work with .DAT suffix..

You really have to quit trying to pass off their desperate propaganda here.

welcome to pmodwrc

THAT'S what the PMOD data looks like since 1979.. No Limp Dick.. 2nd time you USMB brainless parrots have passed it off. Makes me think you couldn't find ANOTHER "limp dick" picture of TSI on the web.. Why do you suppose that is??

The CRAYONED IN portion of PMOD data from the SkS forgery isn't even at the SAME LEVELS as the original data. SkS LOVES to embellish data for effect.. PLEASE keep quoting them so that everyone can SEE how dishonest those m-f's are...

FACT ---- The SORCE/TIM TSI reconstruction is MAINSTREAM science.. You depend on zealots with magic crayons.

FACT --- TSI REMAINS at a 300+ year RELATIVE HIGH.. The stove is hot...

 

[flacaltenn]

As I mentioned in the OP, a good deal of the the extra heat energy the Earth has been retaining due to the increased CO2 levels has been going into the oceans.

In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
ClimateProgress
By Dana Nuccitelli
March 25, 2013
(excerpts)
A new study of ocean warming has just been published in Geophysical Research Letters by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013). There are several important conclusions which can be drawn from this paper.

* Completely contrary to the popular contrarian myth, global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans have been warming dramatically.

* As suspected, much of the ‘missing heat’ Kevin Trenberth previously talked about has been found in the deep oceans. Consistent with the results of Nuccitelli et al. (2012), this study finds that 30% of the ocean warming over the past decade has occurred in the deeper oceans below 700 meters, which they note is unprecedented over at least the past half century.

* Some recent studies have concluded based on the slowed global surface warming over the past decade that the sensitivity of the climate to the increased greenhouse effect is somewhat lower than the IPCC best estimate. Those studies are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the warming of the deep oceans.

* The slowed surface air warming over the past decade has lulled many people into a false and unwarranted sense of security.

LOL...the Deep Oceans ate my Global Warming. LOL. It's hysterical

It seems "hysterical" only to anti-science retards like yourself, CrazyFruitcake.

So WHY did the oceans suddenly develop an appetite? It's been warming for more than 15 years... Kinda "convienient" they just started to suck up ALL (every bit) of the excess heat energy --- dontchathink? ((Answer --- no the Princess does not think))

MORE FROM the SkScience morons?? Man --- those turds must have a LEASE on your brain..