Genetic studies on Palestinians and Israelis

[Sally]

(...sigh...)

Have some integrity, Aris. Again, like Sally, you can't be as ignorant as you act.

Let's go back and review our sources.... The studies were conducted in Israel as a joint project between Hebrew University and Hadassah Medical Center. They were written up and presented to the National Academy of Sciences and are accepted by the best in the genetics biz. We're done. I'm not rising to the bait on this subject anymore.

But thanks for bumping this very important thread.

12. מבנה ציבור בכפר יטא שבדרום הר חברון – יובל ברוך, רשות העתיקות ירושלים – מחקרי יהודה ושומרון תשנ"ט, כרך תשיעי. http://daat.ac.il/daat/israel/yehuda...e-9-baruhl.PDF

13. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume 67, No. 12, pp 6769-6774, June 6, 2000. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

14. High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews Almut Nebel • Dvora Filon • Deborah A. Weiss • Michael Weale • Marina Faerman • Ariella Oppenheim • Mark G. Thomas Human Genetics, Volume 107, pp 630-641, 2000. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Ne...00-IPArabs.pdf

15. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 69, pp 1095-1112, 2001. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1274378

16. Genetics of congenital deafness in the Palestinian population: multiple connection 26 alleles with shared origins in the Middle East. Shanin H, Walsh T, Sobe T, Lynch E, King MC, Avraham KB, Kanaan M. Human Genetics 110(3):284-9, Mar 2002. http://www.tau.ac.il/~karena/manuscr...et_al_2002.pdf

17. The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera, Ahmed Rostom, Juan Moscoso, Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001) http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf

18. Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians Robin McKie, science editor, The Observer, Sunday 25 November 2001 Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Observer

19. The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin Biology Direct Biology Direct | Full text | The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms 20. Bohm, David. Wholeness and the Implicate Order. Routledge, 198

Instead of blabbering on and on about this ad nauseam, will you finally show us something from a reputable scientific journal talking about this supposedly important finding. Surely with Amity blabbering on and on about this without even seeming to stop to take a coffee break, she must have something which geneticists from around the world go to to learn about new developments. Attention viewers: Amity wants to believe that you are all so dimwitted that you can't see what she is up to with this. Her biggest thing here is to try to convince people that those Arabs all had Jewish ancestors so that they will be allowed to arrive in hordes from around the world. We all know what would be the end result of this if this were allowed to occur. Israel would eventually become just another Muslim country in the Middle East, and those non Muslims would become the dhimmis if they chose to stay.

 

[amity1844]

These are the best journals in the world. No one could publish in a more reputable journal. Figure it out.

 

[Billo_Really]

These are the best journals in the world. No one could publish in a more reputable journal. Figure it out.

Hasn't anyone told them ad hominems are not valid rebuttals?

 

[Sally]

These are the best journals in the world. No one could publish in a more reputable journal. Figure it out.

Really?? Why not prove to us that the top geneticists in the world use this stuff. By the way, if this finding was actually believable, you would have many of the top geneticists having conferences to discuss this finding, the same way that they have conferences to discuss other new developments. Moreoever, Amity, your friends are not going to be allowed to swarm into Israel to take over no matter how hard you try here and on other forums.

 

[amity1844]

They did. They do. It is in the journals. They all know. There was a television program in Israel about this! Mercy!

They'll swarm into Israel by making babies! Not by claiming the right to make Aliyah under Israeli Law of Return (I don't think, but if they decide to do this I will jump on board. I think it would be one hell of a publicity opportunity)_

 

[Sally]

They did. They do. It is in the journals. They all know. There was a television program in Israel about this! Mercy!

Here's Amity again. She must think the readers are that stupid that they don't know what she is up to. She can't find a journal that top geneticists use or any information about conferences held with top teneticists in the field. Why don't you just put this topic to bed, Amity. Your Arab buddies are not going to be allowed back in Israel to take over.

 

[amity1844]

You must have an IQ of less than 40. I have highlighted the journals. I can't do more for you. You are wasting my time.

 

[Sally]

You must have an IQ of less than 40. I have highlighted the journals. I can't do more for you. You are wasting my time.

You have highlighted nothing that the top geneticists in the world read. In fact, an important thing like this and the conferences involved would also covered by the major newspapers Put this to bed already. Your brethren are not going to be allowed back into Israel to take over. Has anyone read anything about this in their newspapers? The other week I was reading something about the Hispanics being comprised of many different backgrounds. I have also read in the past about some Hispanics in the American Southwest sending in samples of their DNA and many of them are finding out that they have Jewish roots when their ancestors fled Spain. BUT, nothing about the Arabs really being Jews. My goodness, this would be some hot topic for major newspapers in America and Europe to cover if it was true.

 

[Indeependent]

They're not serial killers, they're just siblings!

Are you oblivious to what's going on all over the Middle East and how your wonderful Moslems are behaving in Europe?
You're so full of delusional bullshit it's pathetic.

I bet a crowd of Chasidim terrifies you.
It terrifies me; I'm always afraid they're going to ask me for money.

 

[Coyote]

You must have an IQ of less than 40. I have highlighted the journals. I can't do more for you. You are wasting my time.

You have highlighted nothing that the top geneticists in the world read. In fact, an important thing like this and the conferences involved would also covered by the major newspapers Put this to bed already. Your brethren are not going to be allowed back into Israel to take over. Has anyone read anything about this in their newspapers? The other week I was reading something about the Hispanics being comprised of many different backgrounds. I have also read in the past about some Hispanics in the American Southwest sending in samples of their DNA and many of them are finding out that they have Jewish roots when their ancestors fled Spain. BUT, nothing about the Arabs really being Jews. My goodness, this would be some hot topic for major newspapers in America and Europe to cover if it was true.

Sally...."Human Genetics" happens to be one of the scholarly publications that the top geneticists in the world PUBLISH their research in. You're not doing yourself any favors here...you might want to just quietly...give it up?

Major newspapers seldom cover major science - they cover pop science.

 

[amity1844]

You have highlighted nothing that the top geneticists in the world read. In fact, an important thing like this and the conferences involved would also covered by the major newspapers Put this to bed already. Your brethren are not going to be allowed back into Israel to take over. Has anyone read anything about this in their newspapers? The other week I was reading something about the Hispanics being comprised of many different backgrounds. I have also read in the past about some Hispanics in the American Southwest sending in samples of their DNA and many of them are finding out that they have Jewish roots when their ancestors fled Spain. BUT, nothing about the Arabs really being Jews. My goodness, this would be some hot topic for major newspapers in America and Europe to cover if it was true.

It would have been in bed long ago if you didn't keep bumping it.

Now deal with the fact, and it is a fact, that Palestinian Arabs of the 21st century are descended from ancient Jews. More closely related in fact than most Jewish populations, apparently.

if geneticists don't read the National Academy of Sciences journal they are missing one hell of a good bet.

and you don't know what you are talking about.

but again I thank you for bumping my thread.

 

[Indeependent]

You must have an IQ of less than 40. I have highlighted the journals. I can't do more for you. You are wasting my time.

You have highlighted nothing that the top geneticists in the world read. In fact, an important thing like this and the conferences involved would also covered by the major newspapers Put this to bed already. Your brethren are not going to be allowed back into Israel to take over. Has anyone read anything about this in their newspapers? The other week I was reading something about the Hispanics being comprised of many different backgrounds. I have also read in the past about some Hispanics in the American Southwest sending in samples of their DNA and many of them are finding out that they have Jewish roots when their ancestors fled Spain. BUT, nothing about the Arabs really being Jews. My goodness, this would be some hot topic for major newspapers in America and Europe to cover if it was true.

Sally...."Human Genetics" happens to be one of the scholarly publications that the top geneticists in the world PUBLISH their research in. You're not doing yourself any favors here...you might want to just quietly...give it up?

Major newspapers seldom cover major science - they cover pop science.

Who really cares?
Many generations ago, barbarians called Arab Moslems kidnapped some terrified Jewesses, raped them and probably murdered them after they gave birth.
Now we have millions of appropriately trained savages with Jewish genes.
Fine by me.
Now provide them with a proper Jewish upbringing for a generation or two, removing the savagery and perhaps we Jews who BEHAVE like Jews will welcome them with open arms.

 

[amity1844]

Ugh! Where did you get that story?

if you look at the scientific work, it is more about a conversion process.

I don't really understand why this is so hard for you all to accept.

 

[Sally]

Ugh! Where did you get that story?

if you look at the scientific work, it is more about a conversion process.

I don't really understand why this is so hard for you all to accept.

Here we go again!!! No matter how hard Amity is trying, her friends will not be allowed to come into Israel to take over and make it another Muslim country in the Middle East.

 

[Indeependent]

Ugh! Where did you get that story?

if you look at the scientific work, it is more about a conversion process.

I don't really understand why this is so hard for you all to accept.

Why would Jews convert from a Progressive religion like Judaism to a Regressive religion like Islam.
Jewish women have tons of rights, don't have to walk behind their husbands and can't murder their wives for burning dinner.
You obviously know nothing about Jews.
Heck, even our women can protest and not be beheaded.

You truly are dull witted.

 

[amity1844]

you obviously know nothing about Islam, maybe not too much about anything.

Islam was definitely the progressive choice over the 8-12th centuries and beyond, so maybe that's why.

 

[Sally]

you obviously know nothing about Islam, maybe not too much about anything.

Islam was definitely the progressive choice over the 8-12th centuries and beyond, so maybe that's why.

So why don't y9u tell us why so many Muslims are busy murdering people these days. I would iomagine you learned all about Islam in your madrassa.

When you read the History of Jihad, it certainly doesn't appear that Islam was the religion of choice. If you are living here in the U.S., why not go to some Coptic or Assyrian Church and tell them this.

 

[Indeependent]

you obviously know nothing about Islam, maybe not too much about anything.

Islam was definitely the progressive choice over the 8-12th centuries and beyond, so maybe that's why.

Define progressive.
And please provide evidence of why Islam was more attractive than Judaism in that specified time period.

 

[amity1844]

Sally, you are frankly such an ignoramus that I am not responding to your posts anymore.

Get over that jihad stuff and address "the national question."

 

[Sally]

Sally, you are frankly such an ignoramus that I am not responding to your posts anymore.

Get over that jihad stuff and address "the national question."

Nobody is forcing you to response to any of my posts or any other poster who has a different point of view than you do. The readers are smart enough to have your number by now regardless if you respond to anyone or not.