Genetic studies on Palestinians and Israelis

[teddyearp]

Nor will she back up her claim of cannibalism made in this thread.

 

[amity1844]

Nor will she back up her claim of cannibalism made in this thread.

No, you're right. if you don't like the examples I already gave, then forget it. I am not going to let you tell me which rabbits to chase. I will find my own rabbits, thanks.

I am working on a new thread.

 

[amity1844]

So dipshit sock number 3 aka Montelatici, can't show me where Jews willingly converted to Christianity or Islam.

Nobody is denying FORCED conversions, of which did occur, usually at the tip of the sword.

Your other sock Enmity was claiming that "the Jews willingly converted to Islam". Poor guy went and searched all over the mosque basement library for three days and could t come up with Jack shit. Then suddenly, Enmity's other sock, namely YOU, showed up to say, "well the conversions did occur, but first the Jews became Christians, and then converted to Islam." Yeah, A FEW maybe, or maybe not. BUT ALWAYS BY FORCE AND AT THE TIP OF THE SWORD.

Look, we don't really know, do we? The records of anybody being coverted forcefully to Islam are few and far between, but I am sure it happened at least once in awhile. If you can find a good independent source that details the process in Palestine, for heaven's sake post it. Otherwise let's just leave it blank and say that ....

Jews were a majority in Palestine in 70AD.
By the time of Constantine, most had converted to Christianity.
During the 7th and 8th centuries both Christians and Jews converted to Islam in great numbers.
Conversion to Islam continued apace over the thirteen centuries until the present day.
Some few Palestinians remained Jews up until at least June 19th, 2014.

I think that is about all we can say with certainty unless someone wants to dig into a detailed history perhaps? I just made the passing comment that far from forced conversions, apparently most of the peoples conquered during the 7th and 8th centuries were allowed to keep their former religions and were charged a tax to fund continued conquests. Read it in a book. Might be true, might not be true. Not terribly important. Find another source you like better, but please do not impose anymore of these poop phony Zionist websites on us again.

 

[Roudy]

We know you're fulla shit and haven't been able to back up any of your claims. We know that for sure.

And...

Your PSYCHOTIC opinions don't count, did anybody tell you that? Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

Nor will she back up her claim of cannibalism made in this thread.

Apparently Enmity has forgotten rule number one...when in hole...STOP DIGGING!

 

[amity1844]

Roudy, look at your avatar, dude, look at that Spartacus-looking little piece you put at the end of all your posts, and tell me what's psychotic.

 

[Sally]

So dipshit sock number 3 aka Montelatici, can't show me where Jews willingly converted to Christianity or Islam.

Nobody is denying FORCED conversions, of which did occur, usually at the tip of the sword.

Your other sock Enmity was claiming that "the Jews willingly converted to Islam". Poor guy went and searched all over the mosque basement library for three days and could t come up with Jack shit. Then suddenly, Enmity's other sock, namely YOU, showed up to say, "well the conversions did occur, but first the Jews became Christians, and then converted to Islam." Yeah, A FEW maybe, or maybe not. BUT ALWAYS BY FORCE AND AT THE TIP OF THE SWORD.

Look, we don't really know, do we? The records of anybody being coverted forcefully to Islam are few and far between, but I am sure it happened at least once in awhile. If you can find a good independent source that details the process in Palestine, for heaven's sake post it. Otherwise let's just leave it blank and say that ....

Jews were a majority in Palestine in 70AD.
By the time of Constantine, most had converted to Christianity.
During the 7th and 8th centuries both Christians and Jews converted to Islam in great numbers.
Conversion to Islam continued apace over the thirteen centuries until the present day.
Some few Palestinians remained Jews up until at least June 19th, 2014.

I think that is about all we can say with certainty unless someone wants to dig into a detailed history perhaps? I just made the passing comment that far from forced conversions, apparently most of the peoples conquered during the 7th and 8th centuries were allowed to keep their former religions and were charged a tax to fund continued conquests. Read it in a book. Might be true, might not be true. Not terribly important. Find another source you like better, but please do not impose anymore of these poop phony Zionist websites on us again.

Gee, it's a shame that Amity couldn't take a time machine back to a a few hundred years ago and question this early traveler as to why he said what he did.

A Tour and Census of Palestine Year 1695: No sign of Arabian names or Palestinians
Posted on April 27, 2014

A Tour and Census of Palestine Year 1695: No sign of Arabian names or Palestinians | Palestine-Israel Conflict

 

[amity1844]

You keep trotting this one out..... is it all you got?

Look, I checked it out and those ARE Arab names. They aren't formatted like modern day names, but English names aren't formatted like they were in 1695 either!

and we are talking about genetics, not one lame source that someone is trotting out to prove a point. If they weren't there in 1695, they had all returned en masse by 2002.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy, look at your avatar, dude, look at that Spartacus-looking little piece you put at the end of all your posts, and tell me what's psychotic.

Psychotic is someone who claims murdering Israeli athletes during the Olympics, and butchering settler babies in their sleep, are VALID targets and acts of "resistance".

Let's drop the charade, okay scumbag convert to Islam with terrorist ties? Now crawl back under the rock you came from and go make another dirty sock for yourself. Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

You keep trotting this one out..... is it all you got?

Look, I checked it out and those ARE Arab names. They aren't formatted like modern day names, but English names aren't formatted like they were in 1695 either!

and we are talking about genetics, not one lame source that someone is trotting out to prove a point. If they weren't there in 1695, they had all returned en masse by 2002.

And what have you got.......drum roll please......NOTHING! Just Islamist bullshit and propaganda that has been debunked a thousand times.

 

[Sally]

Roudy, look at your avatar, dude, look at that Spartacus-looking little piece you put at the end of all your posts, and tell me what's psychotic.

Regardless of whomever thinks who is psychotic, it is quite evident that you want the world to believe that your beloved people were actually Jews who converted and they should be allowed back into Israel. with the bottom line actually being that with these hordes coming in, they will eventually take over the governance of the land from the Jews, and it will become another Muslim country in the Middle East.. This is why you are posting this ad nauseam.

 

[Sally]

You keep trotting this one out..... is it all you got?

Look, I checked it out and those ARE Arab names. They aren't formatted like modern day names, but English names aren't formatted like they were in 1695 either!

and we are talking about genetics, not one lame source that someone is trotting out to prove a point. If they weren't there in 1695, they had all returned en masse by 2002.

Should I trot out the article by Joseph Farah, a Christian, that the Jews stole no one's land or the one about the Palestinians being an invented people. You seem to have no problem trotting out the same old, same old all the time, and I am still waiting for you to post something from a reputable scientific journal that is verifying what you are constantly spewing out.

 

[amity1844]

Sally, if you can't recognize a reputable scientific journal when one bites you on the butt, there is no point talking to you anymore.

 

[Roudy]

Reputable scientific journal?! OMG. Is that what you call your garbage hate / propaganda sites? Ha ha ha.

 

[Sally]

Sally, if you can't recognize a reputable scientific journal when one bites you on the butt, there is no point talking to you anymore.

Sure looks like Amity is trying oh so hard to get those hordes of so-called Palestinians back to take over Israel from the Jews, but meanwhile she can't find a reputable scientific journal read bv geneticists all over the world which features such an important finding. Try a little harder to find one, Amity. Why do the readers think that Amity is posting this ad nauseam? She must be a follower of Goebbels who believed if you told a lie many times, people would start to believe that lie. However, I think the viewers have Amity's number and realize why she is posting her genetics shtick all the time. Your friends are not coming back, Amity, to take over Israel from the Jews. Can you imagine, folks, if the millions and millions of displaced people from World War II whose ancestors actually lived in their native countries for thousands of years were like the so-called Palestinians who mainly came from the surrounding areas (that is why the Egyptian official told the Gazans to come back to Egypt where they belonged) were constantly whining about going back to the country from which they were displaced. At keast these people had the get up and go and were able to move thousands of miles from their original countries, learn a new language and culture, and were able to get on with their lives (and in many cases very, very successfully).

 

[Sally]

Reputable scientific journal?! OMG. Is that what you call your garbage hate / propaganda sites? Ha ha ha.

Should we start taking bets among ourselves to see how many times a day Amity is going to bring up her genetics shtick? Hey, I am quite comfortable with the fact that we all came out of Africa. Perhaps Amity fell out of a tree reaching for a banana.

 

[Indeependent]

Sally, if you can't recognize a reputable scientific journal when one bites you on the butt, there is no point talking to you anymore.

Anyone who can prove they are maternally Jewish and behaves in a Jewish manner should be integrated into Israel Jewish society.
It's the behavior that's the problem.
As I asked a few days ago, would you welcome your serial killer sibling into your home?

 

[amity1844]

They're not serial killers, they're just siblings!

 

[aris2chat]

OK, then its NOT being suppressed. Not important.

The important thing is that some very credible scientific studies undertaken by reputable ISRAELI academic institutions and headed by one of the forement researchers in population genetics have proven that Palestinians descended in large part from ancient Jews. Bas! Bikafe.

if studies are not reputable they don't get published and shared around the world. You can get something published in Czechoslovakian journal but if it is not credible, repeatable or stands up to scrutiny is just so much hot air, a theory with no legs.

They have proven that palestinians come from southern semites (arabia, north africa), not central or northern as the jews are.

 

[amity1844]

(...sigh...)

Have some integrity, Aris. Again, like Sally, you can't be as ignorant as you act.

Let's go back and review our sources.... The studies were conducted in Israel as a joint project between Hebrew University and Hadassah Medical Center. They were written up and presented to the National Academy of Sciences and are accepted by the best in the genetics biz. We're done. I'm not rising to the bait on this subject anymore.

But thanks for bumping this very important thread.

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16. Genetics of congenital deafness in the Palestinian population: multiple connection 26 alleles with shared origins in the Middle East. Shanin H, Walsh T, Sobe T, Lynch E, King MC, Avraham KB, Kanaan M. Human Genetics 110(3):284-9, Mar 2002. http://www.tau.ac.il/~karena/manuscr...et_al_2002.pdf

17. The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera, Ahmed Rostom, Juan Moscoso, Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001) http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf

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