Genetic studies on Palestinians and Israelis

[amity1844]

I am going to have to come back later and tidy this up, but I wanted to post the citations Tsvi Misinai is providing me for the genetic studies done by Dr. Oppenheim and colleagues at Hebrew University and Hadassah Medical Center showing that Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jewish population of Roman times.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.full#FN152

1. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common
pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir
PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume

13. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume 67, No. 12, pp 6769-6774, June 6, 2000. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

14. High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews Almut Nebel • Dvora Filon • Deborah A. Weiss • Michael Weale • Marina Faerman • Ariella Oppenheim • Mark G. Thomas Human Genetics, Volume 107, pp 630-641, 2000. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf

15. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 69, pp 1095-1112, 2001.

 

[Roudy]

I am going to have to come back later and tidy this up, but I wanted to post the citations Tsvi Misinai is providing me for the genetic studies done by Dr. Oppenheim and colleagues at Hebrew University and Hadassah Medical Center showing that Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jewish population of Roman times.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

1. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common
pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir
PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume

13. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume 67, No. 12, pp 6769-6774, June 6, 2000. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

14. High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews Almut Nebel • Dvora Filon • Deborah A. Weiss • Michael Weale • Marina Faerman • Ariella Oppenheim • Mark G. Thomas Human Genetics, Volume 107, pp 630-641, 2000. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf

15. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 69, pp 1095-1112, 2001.

Jews share more common genes with Kurds and people who live in the Caucasus mountains, so your study is meaningless. You will find "common genes" between all races and ethnicities, that is what the human race is all about.

As you know the prophet of Islam committed genocide on the ancient Jews of Medina, and took their women as slaves. The terrorist prophet even had a Jewish wife as a result of this massacre he committed. So there's the source of your "Jewish genes", as a result of Muslim genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Islam in a nutshell:

Safiyya bint Huyayy

Safiyya bint Huyayy (Arabic: صفية بنت حيي*) (c. 610 – c. 670) was a Jewish woman taken from the Banu Nadir tribe at age seventeen, who became Muhammad's wife.

Battle of Khaybar

In May 629, the Muslims defeated several Jewish tribes (including the Banu Nadir) at the Battle of Khaybar. The Jews had surrendered, and were allowed to remain in Khaybar on the provision that they give half of their annual produce to the Muslims. The land itself became the property of the Muslim state. This agreement, Stillman says, did not extend to the Banu Nadir tribe, who were given no quarter.

In the aftermath, the female captives were divided amongst Muhammad and his followers. Safiyya was assigned to Dihya ibn Khalifa, but Muhammad selected her while compensating Dihya with two of her cousins, or, according to other sources, seven head of cattle, and according to a differing source, seven female slaves.[8] She then converted to Islam, thereby becoming Muhammad's wife; her dowry being her emancipation.[9] On the way back from Khaybar, the Muslims camped at a place called Sadd al-Rauha. By now, Safiyya was clean from her menstrual period, and the marriage was thus consummated. Thereafter, Muhammad held a banquet of dates and butter in celebration of the marriage, and then returned to Medina.

Muhammad’s atrocity against the Qurayza Jews

 

[Roudy]

Kurds are the Closest Relatives of Jews

In 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people – more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested. The researchers sampled a total of 526 Y-chromosomes from 6 populations (Kurdish Jews, Kurdish Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazic Jews, and Bedouin from southern Israel) and added extra data on 1321 persons from 12 populations (including Russians, Belarusians, Poles, Berbers, Portuguese, Spaniards, Arabs, Armenians, and Anatolian Turks). Most of the 95 Kurdish Muslim test subjects came from northern Iraq.

Ashkenazic Jews have ancestors who lived in central and eastern Europe, while Sephardic Jews have ancestors from southwestern Europe, northern Africa, and the Middle East. The Kurdish Jews and Sephardic Jews were found to be very close to each other. Both of these Jewish populations differed somewhat from Ashkenazic Jews, who mixed with European peoples during their diaspora.
The researchers suggested that the approximately 12.7 percent of Ashkenazic Jews who have the Eu 19 chromosomes – which are found among between 54 and 60 percent of Eastern European Christians – descend paternally from eastern Europeans (such as Slavs) or Khazars. But the majority of Ashkenazic Jews, who possess Eu 9 and other chromosomes, descend paternally from Judeans who lived in Israel two thousand years ago.


A previous study by Ariella Oppenheim and her colleagues, published in Human Genetics in December 2000, showed that about 70 percent of Jewish paternal ancestries and about 82 percent of Palestinian Arabs share the same chromosomal pool. The geneticists asserted that this might support the claim that Palestinian Arabs descend in part from Judeans who converted to Islam. With their closer relationship to Jews, the Palestinian Arabs are distinctive from other Arab groups, such as Syrians, Lebanese, Saudis, and Iraqis, who have less of a connection to Jews.

A study by Michael Hammer et al., published in PNAS in June 2000, had identified a genetic connection between Arabs (especially Syrians and Palestinians) and Jews, but had not tested Kurds, so it was less complete.

Cohen Modal Haplotype
Many Kurds have the "Jewish" Cohen Modal Haplotype In the 1990s, a team of scientists (including the geneticist Michael Hammer, the nephrologist Karl Skorecki, and their colleagues in England) discovered the existence of a haplotype which they termed the "Cohen modal haplotype" (abbreviated as CMH). Cohen is the Hebrew word for "priest", and designates descendants of Judean priests from two thousand years ago. Initial research indicated that while only about 3 percent of general Jews have this haplotype, 45 percent of Ashkenazic Cohens have it, while 56 percent of Sephardic Cohens have it. David Goldstein, an evolutionary geneticist at Oxford University, said: "It looks like this chromosomal type was a constituent of the ancestral Hebrew population."

Some Jewish rabbis used the Cohen study to argue that all Cohens with the CMH had descended from Aaron, a High Priest who lived about 3500 years ago, as the Torah claimed. Shortly after, it was determined that 53 percent of the Buba clan of the Lemba people of southern Africa have the CMH, compared to 9 percent of non-Buba Lembas. The Lembas claim descent from ancient Israelites, and they follow certain Jewish practices such as circumcision and refraining from eating pork, and for many geneticists and historians the genetic evidence seemed to verify their claim.
However, it soon became apparent that the CMH is not specific to Jews or descendants of Jews. In a 1998 article in Science News, Dr. Skorecki indicated (in an interview) that some non-Jews also possess the Cohen markers, and that the markers are therefore not "unique or special". The CMH is very common among Iraqi Kurds, according to a 1999 study by C. Brinkmann et al. And in her 2001 article, Oppenheim wrote: "The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH..." (Oppenheim 2001, page 1100). Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann- Diskin wrote: "The suggestion that the 'Cohen modal haplotype' is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations." (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156).

In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.

The Jewish Kingdom of Adiabene in Ancient Kurdistan
In ancient times, the royal house of Adiabene and some of the common people of Adiabene converted to Judaism. The capital city of Adiabene was Arbela (known today by Arabs as Irbil and by Kurds as Hawler). King Izates became closely attached to his new faith, and sent his sons to study Hebrew and Jewish customs in Jerusalem. His successor to the throne was his brother Monobazos II, who also adopted Judaism. In her 2001 study, Oppenheim references the kingdom of Adiabene, but suggests that while Adiabene's conversion to Judaism "resulted in the assimilation of non-Jews into the community ... This recorded conversion does not appear to have had a considerable effect on the Y chromosome pool of the Kurdish Jews." (Oppenheim 2001, page 1103). Some of the Jewish Adiabenians may have eventually converted to Christianity.

Conclusions
Research has just begun into the ancient ties between Kurds and Jews. It would be interesting to see if the various Jewish groups have as strong a family tie to Kurds in the maternal lineages as they do in the paternal lineages. Preliminary studies indicate that Jewish populations in eastern Europe and Yemen have maternal origins that contain much more non-Israelite ancestry than their paternal origins. Despite this admixture with other groups, the Jewish Judean people ultimately began their existence in an area within or nearby Kurdistan, prior to migrating southwest to Israel. This exciting research showing that Kurds and Jews may have shared common fathers several millennia ago should, hopefully, encourage both Kurds and Jews to explore each others' cultures and to maintain the friendship that Kurds and Jews enjoyed in northern Iraq in recent times (as chronicled in Michael Rubin's recent article "The Other Iraq"). As Rubin indicates, the Kurdish leader Mullah Mustafa Barzani once visited Israel and met with Israeli government officials. Rubin refers to the Iraqi Kurds' "special affinity for Israel" and writes that "In the safe haven of Iraqi Kurdistan, the Jews and Israel are remembered fondly, if increasingly vaguely." Let us hope that this relationship can be renewed and strengthened.

 

[Roudy]

Genetic studies...are a dime a dozen. Each contradicting the OTHER. Palestinians go to the back of the line of "People related to Jews". Ha ha ha.



In his search for Jewish ancestry, Eran Elhaik says he has discovered that some Ashkenazis originated in the Khazar empire, not the kingdom of Judah.

According to Elhaik's study, there is a genetic continuum linking the Jews of Iran, the Caucasus, Azerbaijan and Georgia with the European Jews. In other words, it is possible that these groups share common ancestors - namely, the Khazars.

 

[Sally]

The Bible is MYTHOLOGY. But even according to it Israelites, a mixed race from Saudi Arabia to begin with, were assimilated into Syria 725 BC. The tribe of Judah became very strict racists to prevent that from happening to them. As a result inbred obviously. And when Jesus failed to overthrow Rome, Judah disappeared. Did Israel and Judah ever really exist? There is no evidence to suggest they did. Is it possible to do a genetic study? Not really since they apparently never existed. According to ancestry dot com, I am 7% "jewish." Which contradicts the theory that the modern "jewish" race came from the middle east.

Well, Nose, did they also tell you that you re no doubt related to some Gorilla in the zoo since your DNA is pretty close to his? When so many of the Jews left the area in exile, they migrated to different parts of the world, but bigots like you who really care nothing about the Arabs but are just here because you have been a lifelong anti-Semite would not be interested in that.

Meanwhile, I am sure the readers can get from the Nose's post that he is conveniently overlooking all the artifacts that archeologist have dug up in the area. My goodness, there is even something about finding the wheels of a chariot that went down in the Red Sea. No one has to use the Bible for religous purposes, but it can be used for history/geography purposes.

 

[Sally]

Genetic studies...are a dime a dozen. Each contradicting the OTHER. Palestinians go to the back of the line of "People related to Jews". Ha ha ha.



In his search for Jewish ancestry, Eran Elhaik says he has discovered that some Ashkenazis originated in the Khazar empire, not the kingdom of Judah.

According to Elhaik's study, there is a genetic continuum linking the Jews of Iran, the Caucasus, Azerbaijan and Georgia with the European Jews. In other words, it is possible that these groups share common ancestors - namely, the Khazars.

Let's hope that all the viewers who want to help this group of Jews from India do so. Say, maybe the Jews of Uganda want to come too, just like the Ethiopians did. After all, regardless what the pro Palis are saying here, all these people happen to be Jewish also.

AMERICAN FRIENDS OF SHAVEI YISRAEL INC - Razoo

 

[aris2chat]

The Bible is MYTHOLOGY. But even according to it Israelites, a mixed race from Saudi Arabia to begin with, were assimilated into Syria 725 BC. The tribe of Judah became very strict racists to prevent that from happening to them. As a result inbred obviously. And when Jesus failed to overthrow Rome, Judah disappeared. Did Israel and Judah ever really exist? There is no evidence to suggest they did. Is it possible to do a genetic study? Not really since they apparently never existed. According to ancestry dot com, I am 7% "jewish." Which contradicts the theory that the modern "jewish" race came from the middle east.

Hebrews/jews moved from north (turkey) south to the holy lands. Follow the trail of abraham's father. They did not originate in Mesopotamia but Mitanni(Aram-Naharaim)/Urartu, Proto-Armenia, hense the close relations to the Kurds and Kazars

 

[amity1844]

The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.

 

[aris2chat]

The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.

hypothetically.....

Why then would palestinians deny jews the right to live in their homeland? Why try to eraser the jewish history from the land? Why deny the jews the right to pray on the temple mount?

 

[Indeependent]

Being a Jew is defined by the Torah.
Many famous non-Jews became Jews and led the post-2nd Temple Jewish populace.
Non-Jewish Arabs are welcome to convert.
Non-Jewish Arabs are welcome to not convert as long as they behave like humans.

 

[MJB12741]

What do genetic similarites between any racial, religious or ethnic groups have to with each groups individual culture & values? On this question I see no similarity whatsoever between Jews who live by L'Chaim & Palestinians who prefer death over life.

The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.

 

[amity1844]

What do genetic similarites between any racial, religious or ethnic groups have to with each groups individual culture & values? On this question I see no similarity whatsoever between Jews who live by L'Chaim & Palestinians who prefer death over life.

The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.

I think you are the most level headed person in this discussion for saying that, even though of course Palestinians don't prefer death to life, they often just don't have a chance at life. "To life" is also an Arab toast by the way.

 

[MHunterB]

The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.

Speak for yourself. You know nothing about most of us, including what anyone else has studied and who they know.

By the way, what do you think of this 'Islamic' custom? (from the article in the JPost)

"YEHUDA BOORLA described in his book Be'ein Kochav (about his service as an officer in the Turkish army during World War I) interesting information about an Arab attendant from the Land of Israel who accompanied him. One section of the book describes a "moment of discovery" on the part of the attendant. Upon hearing the author speak about the Islamic custom of cutting off the breasts of Jewish women, the Arab attendant realized that his mother, who suffered from the same deformity, was in reality Jewish. Until today, elderly Palestinians in Jordan who moved there from west of the river tell of this tradition, says Misinai. "They say that this was done in cases where Muslim men married Jewish women, so that the Jewish women would not be able to breast-feed and their children would not take in the milk of their Jewish mothers. Thus the children would not be thought to be Jewish.""

 

[amity1844]

I think it is a totally perverted story, too weird for the J'lem Post, frankly, and i can pretty much assure this didn't happen. Reminds me of "breast ironing." But that is an African custom, not Arab, and certainly not Palestinian.
The weirdest stuff comes out of Israel... national psyche ?? Dunno....

 

[aris2chat]

The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.

Speak for yourself. You know nothing about most of us, including what anyone else has studied and who they know.

By the way, what do you think of this 'Islamic' custom? (from the article in the JPost)

"YEHUDA BOORLA described in his book Be'ein Kochav (about his service as an officer in the Turkish army during World War I) interesting information about an Arab attendant from the Land of Israel who accompanied him. One section of the book describes a "moment of discovery" on the part of the attendant. Upon hearing the author speak about the Islamic custom of cutting off the breasts of Jewish women, the Arab attendant realized that his mother, who suffered from the same deformity, was in reality Jewish. Until today, elderly Palestinians in Jordan who moved there from west of the river tell of this tradition, says Misinai. "They say that this was done in cases where Muslim men married Jewish women, so that the Jewish women would not be able to breast-feed and their children would not take in the milk of their Jewish mothers. Thus the children would not be thought to be Jewish.""

sadly this was done by nazis as well

 

[amity1844]

So they are saying it was done by Jews? If that is the reasoning, why would Arabs do it? I don't think identity has anything to do with milk ...

 

[aris2chat]

I think it is a totally perverted story, too weird for the J'lem Post, frankly, and i can pretty much assure this didn't happen. Reminds me of "breast ironing." But that is an African custom, not Arab, and certainly not Palestinian.
The weirdest stuff comes out of Israel... national psyche ?? Dunno....

Muslims are still doing this in Africa

 

[aris2chat]

So they are saying it was done by Jews? If that is the reasoning, why would Arabs do it? I don't think identity has anything to do with milk ...

Taliban did it

You are being redirected...

 

[aris2chat]

So they are saying it was done by Jews? If that is the reasoning, why would Arabs do it? I don't think identity has anything to do with milk ...

Under any circumstances should a woman's breast be removed, apart from saving her life from cancer?

How The War Is Fought Is Syria, By Those Suffused With Islam > New English Review

 

[Billo_Really]

Speak for yourself. You know nothing about most of us, including what anyone else has studied and who they know.

I'll tell you right now, none of you Israeli kiss-asses are even qualified to comment on the subject of the OP, because you don't know shit about it!