General William Odom redefines "supporting the troops"

[red states rule]

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Leave Iraq and Brace for a Bigger Bloodbath

By Natan Sharansky
Sunday, July 8, 2007; Page B03

Iraqis call Ali Hassan al-Majeed "Chemical Ali," and few wept when the notorious former general received five death sentences last month for ordering the use of nerve agents against his government's Kurdish citizens in the late 1980s. His trial came as a reckoning and a reminder -- summoning up the horrors of Saddam Hussein's rule even as it underscored the way today's heated Iraq debates in Washington have left the key issue of human rights on the sidelines. People of goodwill can certainly disagree over how to handle Iraq, but human rights should be part of any responsible calculus. Unfortunately, some leaders continue to play down the gross violations in Iraq under Hussein's republic of fear and ignore the potential for a human rights catastrophe should the United States withdraw.

As the hideous violence in Iraq continues, it has become increasingly common to hear people argue that the world was better off with Hussein in power and (even more remarkably) that Iraqis were better off under his fist. In his final interview as U.N. secretary general, Kofi Annan acknowledged that Iraq "had a dictator who was brutal" but said that Iraqis under the Baathist dictatorship "had their streets, they could go out, their kids could go to school."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/06/AR2007070601994.html

 

[Care4all]

Yesterday, the NYT op ed called for the US to surrender and leave Iarq

Much like the left in the country - the NY Times would rather have genocide in Iraq, then victory for the US

Have you ever noticed that whenever the administration wants something "leaked" to the press in their own favor, they USE the New York Times to do the "leaking"? The NYT is in the administration's pocket too you know?

Judith Miller was the person they CHOSE to be one of the Press leaks to the story about Valerie Plame working for the CIA and it being Nepotism for the reason on why Wilson was sent to Niger to Investigate the allegation that saddam was actively seeking yellowcake uranium from Niger. She CHOSE not to leak this information, and never got the "Story" out before Novak, but she was chosen by them.

And another nytimes Journalist was hand picked by the VP's office to "leak" the "talking points" regarding Wilson-

-His wife sent him
-The Vice President's office did not request it
-Wilson's reporting back was never given to the VP's office
-Wilson was not qualified to do this assessment

yahdeedah!

All of this came out in the Libby Trial....with hand writen notes by the VP's office, and then they listed 4 various reporters on WHO TO BE THEIR CONTACT FOR THE LEAK. Yep! and the NYT's was just ONE of the papers they are in bed with to "leak" what info they want, to the public, via the Press.

It's ALL a game, and the Press is in bed with our government, at the same time they pretend to be against them, imo.

And good morning Rsr...I know we differ, but the "good morning" is important!!! lol

Care

 

[dilloduck]

Have you ever noticed that whenever the administration wants something "leaked" to the press in their own favor, they USE the New York Times to do the "leaking"? The NYT is in the administration's pocket too you know?

Judith Miller was the person they CHOSE to be one of the Press leaks to the story about Valerie Plame working for the CIA and it being Nepotism for the reason on why Wilson was sent to Niger to Investigate the allegation that saddam was actively seeking yellowcake uranium from Niger. She CHOSE not to leak this information, and never got the "Story" out before Novak, but she was chosen by them.

And another nytimes Journalist was hand picked by the VP's office to "leak" the "talking points" regarding Wilson-

-His wife sent him
-The Vice President's office did not request it
-Wilson's reporting back was never given to the VP's office
-Wilson was not qualified to do this assessment

yahdeedah!

All of this came out in the Libby Trial....with hand writen notes by the VP's office, and then they listed 4 various reporters on WHO TO BE THEIR CONTACT FOR THE LEAK. Yep! and the NYT's was just ONE of the papers they are in bed with to "leak" what info they want, to the public, via the Press.

It's ALL a game, and the Press is in bed with our government, at the same time they pretend to be against them, imo.

And good morning Rsr...I know we differ, but the "good morning" is important!!! lol

Care

You made that up, didn't you.

 

[Superlative]

Clinton's appeasement gave us 9-11

Now libs want to repeat that mistake

Say something new. I dare ya.

You know damn well Carter, Reagan, and Bush the 1st gave us 9/11.

They trained the guys who became al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Back then they used to go by the title "Mujahideen" or "Freedom Fighters"
The US matched the Saudi's Dollar for dollar in the funding, and the CIA trained them through out the 80's.

Clinton didnt do much to dissuade the situation, but he is hardly responsible for 9/11.

 

[dilloduck]

Say something new. I dare ya.

You know damn well Prez Peanut, Reagan, and Bush the 1st gave us 9/11.

They trained the guys who became al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Back then they used to go by the title "Mujahadeen" or "Freedom Fighters"
and they got all their funding and training from the CIA in the 80's.

Clinton didnt do much to dissuade the situation, but he is hardly responsible for 9/11.

agreed--he isn't---bin laden is.

 

[Gunny]

Now the mod is taking the thread off topic

Back to the topic at hand - this is what the left wants to surrender to

Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK
Hear Islamic leaders in London: 'Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!'

Posted: July 9, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government – a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America.

"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"

Choudary was a co-founder of Al Muhajiroun, the now-banned group tied to suspects in the July 7, 2005, London transport bombings and a cheerleader of the 9/11 attacks.

"Democracy, hypocrisy," Choudary chanted as the crowd echoed him. "Tony Blair, terrorist! Tony Blair, murderer! Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56503

YOU want to go THERE?

Do tell us, oh wise one, what does this little post have to do with the topic?

 

[Bullypulpit]

Clinton's appeasement gave us 9-11

Now libs want to repeat that mistake

Appeasement to whom and for what? Care to cite any evidence supporting THAT allegation? That last question is purely rhetorical as we already know the answer.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Appeasement to whom and for what? Care to cite any evidence supporting THAT allegation? That last question is purely rhetorical as we already know the answer.

Lets see, there was Somalia, there was the WTC bombing, numerous attacks on embassy and a direct attack on a US Warship. And what did Clinton do about these things? He refused to allow our intelligence agencies to cooperate, passing onerous regulations DESIGNED to prevent open communication, he refused to authorize an attack on Bin laden and an attempt to capture him. I will grant he was just a bit busy lying to the American people about all his illegal activities and his adulterous affairs, but ya know, he coulda kept his jones in his pants long enough to actually do his job, in between taking payment from Chinese and criminals that is.

 

[red states rule]

Have you ever noticed that whenever the administration wants something "leaked" to the press in their own favor, they USE the New York Times to do the "leaking"? The NYT is in the administration's pocket too you know?

Judith Miller was the person they CHOSE to be one of the Press leaks to the story about Valerie Plame working for the CIA and it being Nepotism for the reason on why Wilson was sent to Niger to Investigate the allegation that saddam was actively seeking yellowcake uranium from Niger. She CHOSE not to leak this information, and never got the "Story" out before Novak, but she was chosen by them.

And another nytimes Journalist was hand picked by the VP's office to "leak" the "talking points" regarding Wilson-

-His wife sent him
-The Vice President's office did not request it
-Wilson's reporting back was never given to the VP's office
-Wilson was not qualified to do this assessment

yahdeedah!

All of this came out in the Libby Trial....with hand writen notes by the VP's office, and then they listed 4 various reporters on WHO TO BE THEIR CONTACT FOR THE LEAK. Yep! and the NYT's was just ONE of the papers they are in bed with to "leak" what info they want, to the public, via the Press.

It's ALL a game, and the Press is in bed with our government, at the same time they pretend to be against them, imo.

And good morning Rsr...I know we differ, but the "good morning" is important!!! lol

Care

Oh, yet another vast right wing conspiracy

 

[red states rule]

Appeasement to whom and for what? Care to cite any evidence supporting THAT allegation? That last question is purely rhetorical as we already know the answer.

How about when Clinton ran from the terrorists is Somalia, and did not respond to the 5 terrorist attacks under his watch?

 

[T-Bor]

If you were to read Osamas Letter to America.. You would know that it was not Clinton that caused 911 but the general policies of America in the Middle East. Basically we deserved 911. We deserved what we got for all the shit we do to other countries. Plain and simple.

Clinton's appeasement gave us 9-11

Now libs want to repeat that mistake

 

[Annie]

If you were to read Osamas Letter to America.. You would know that it was not Clinton that caused 911 but the general policies of America in the Middle East. Basically we deserved 911. We deserved what we got for all the shi* we do to other countries. Plain and simple.

I disagree with OBL. Just for the record.

*School filters.

 

[Superlative]

If you were to read Osamas Letter to America.. You would know that it was not Clinton that caused 911 but the general policies of America in the Middle East. Basically we deserved 911. We deserved what we got for all the shit we do to other countries. Plain and simple.

It was in fact America's foreign policy OBL disliked, not in fact "Our Freedoms".

Osama turned against the US in 1991 because he took it to be occupying the holiest Arab land;

Michael Scheuer, writes that

“bin Laden has been precise in telling America the reasons he is waging war on us. None of the reasons have anything to do with our freedom, liberty, and democracy, but have everything to do with U.S. policies and actions in the Muslim world.” Osama’s concern “is out to drastically alter U.S. and Western policies toward the Islamic world,” Scheuer writes: “He is a practical warrior, not an apocalyptic terrorist in search of Armageddon.” As Osama constantly repeats, “Al Qaeda supports no Islamic insurgency that seeks to conquer new lands.”

We have a dozen years of reliable polling in the Middle East, and it shows overwhelming hostility to our policies—

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/12/60minutes/main655407.shtml

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/08/sb-seven-michael-scheuer-1156277744

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/interviews/scheuer.html

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9718

 

[Care4all]

You made that up, didn't you.

no, I didn't make it up. Search the transcripts for the Libby trial, review the pdf documents of the evidence submitted by the prosecution to the jury....so to show them that Libby outright lied under oath, he presented hand writen notes of the vp, of libby. and of Ms Martin, the vp's pr person....all dated before the plame outing by novak, all showing Libby's first hand participation regarding Plame/Wilson and the vp.....

this is HOW libby got convicted....through this evidence showing the daily maneuvers of the white house regarding wilson/plame/etc of which Libby was on the front line...it was impossible for him to forget that he and the vp discussed it daily or just remembered differently, with saying he had no involvement of the vp or discussions with the vp about wilson/plame...

and the jury saw this, thus the convictions, you will find exactly what I said in this trial evidence.

Also, read the transcripts from Libby's different grand jury testimony. The last time before the grand jury, he reneged what he had said earlier and admited he told judith miller about plame working at the cia and planted the ''nepotism'' angle with her before the Novak article exposed her...

care

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Usual leftoid drival. "We are to blame"

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Using the logic of the left FDR is directly responsible for the attack on Pearl harbor because of his "disasterous" foreign policy towards Japan that FORCED them to attack us.

 

[Superlative]

Usual leftoid drival. "We are to blame"

Classic rightoid response. "Fuck me? no, no, my friend, Fuck you."

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And Korea was Truman's fault for refusing to simply allow the Communists to take over South Korea. After all his "diplomacy" forced a 2 Korea split when he wouldn't just cede the South to the Soviets after the war.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Lets see, there was Somalia, there was the WTC bombing, numerous attacks on embassy and a direct attack on a US Warship. And what did Clinton do about these things? He refused to allow our intelligence agencies to cooperate, passing onerous regulations DESIGNED to prevent open communication, he refused to authorize an attack on Bin laden and an attempt to capture him. I will grant he was just a bit busy lying to the American people about all his illegal activities and his adulterous affairs, but ya know, he coulda kept his jones in his pants long enough to actually do his job, in between taking payment from Chinese and criminals that is.

If I recall correctly, it was the Republicans in Congress who forced Clinton's hand in Somalia. Many of the plotters in the first WTC bombing were rounded up and prosecuted...successfully and without resorting to illegal domestic wiretaps. It was the Bush administration that scotched further investigation into the USS Cole bombing.

If you're going to dredge up old history, at least make sure its correct.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If I recall correctly, it was the Republicans in Congress who forced Clinton's hand in Somalia. Many of the plotters in the first WTC bombing were rounded up and prosecuted...successfully and without resorting to illegal domestic wiretaps. It was the Bush administration that scotched further investigation into the USS Cole bombing.

If you're going to dredge up old history, at least make sure its correct.

As opposed to your Lies?