AntonToo
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Trump has dealt Russia a devastating blow. Deal for Ukraine’s minerals could effectively end the war
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Moonglow
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The eggs are high; why doesn't Trump import a bunch?WAPO paywall but here's the article in total.
"The minerals deal negotiated between the United States and Ukraine is a devastating development for Russia. Indeed, it is in some ways more important than any peace deal President Donald Trump might negotiate to end the fighting. Once implemented, it will mean that Russia has effectively lost the war.
Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted to conquer his neighbor. Instead, the United States has just gone into business with Ukraine — entering into, as the agreement puts it, “a durable partnership” with Kyiv to jointly develop Ukraine’s untapped minerals and other natural resources and pledging “a long-term financial commitment to the development of a stable and economically prosperous Ukraine.”
With this deal, the United States is now invested — literally, not figuratively — in what the deal calls “a free, sovereign and secure Ukraine.” That means the United States now has a massive financial incentive to help safeguard Ukraine’s independence. If Ukraine survives, the United States will stand to gain hundreds of billions of dollars; if Ukraine falls, we get nothing. After all, does anyone think that if Putin conquers Ukraine, he is going to repay the United States for the weapons we gave Ukraine to fight his troops? Of course not.
The deal creates “a Reconstruction Investment Fund” that will be jointly owned and managed by the two countries. Ukraine will contribute 50 percent of all revenue earned from the “future monetization” of all government-owned natural resource assets, including “minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials.” The fund will use this revenue to “invest in projects in Ukraine and attract investments to increase the development” of its natural resources, as well as “infrastructure, ports, and state-owned enterprises.”
Those who say Ukraine failed to win security guarantees in exchange for the minerals deal are missing the point: The minerals deal is a security guarantee. Trump has made clear that he is not going to send American troops to Ukraine. But with this deal, he is going to send something better: American workers, bulldozers and earthmovers.
“It’s a great deal for Ukraine, too, because they get us over there,” Trump explained during his Cabinet meeting Wednesday. “We’re going to be working over there. We’ll be on the land. And you know, that way it’s this sort of automatic security, because nobody’s going to be messing around with our people when we’re there.”
With the minerals deal done, Trump must now negotiate a peace deal that secures his investment by making sure the war ends — and never resumes. Ukraine’s minerals only have value to America if they are extracted from Ukrainian soil, processed and sold. If Ukraine does not have security, that won’t happen. U.S. businesses won’t be able to mine for minerals under fire from Russian forces and will not make long-term investment in Ukraine if they fear the fighting will resume. And if they don’t invest, American taxpayers won’t get paid.
Trump certainly knows that as soon as there is a peace agreement, China, Iran and North Korea will help Russia rearm — and that in time, Russia will reconstitute its forces and rebuild its defense-industrial base in preparation for a new offensive.
To stop that from happening, the United States needs to help Ukraine establish deterrence. And that will require allowing Ukraine to purchase the American weapons it needs to discourage Russia from ever restarting the conflict. The minerals deal creates a mechanism to repay the United States for the weapons we have given Ukraine over the past three years, but not for Ukraine to buy weapons in the future to defend our joint investments.
Jack Keane, a retired Army general, and I laid out a plan in these pages on transitioning Ukraine from an aid recipient to a defense consumer, and using frozen Russian assets and loans guaranteed by Ukraine’s natural resources to buy weapons. This will be critical if we want to ensure that the war never starts up again, and Ukraine’s resources can be developed for the benefit of both countries. This does not require a new agreement or action by Congress; the mechanisms for such sales exist under existing law.
But this deal is a critical step forward. Russia wanted to diminish Ukraine economically, politically and militarily. With this deal, Trump has enhanced Ukraine economically and politically. Now, to secure our new investments, the United States must enhance Ukraine militarily as well."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/02/27/minerals-deal-ukraine-russia/
Having a bunch of American companies over there rebuilding and doing business means Russia is less likely to make another attempt out of fear of drawing in NATO, but at the same time, there's no US troops on his doorstep (or, at least not in Ukraine), most likely in Poland.
Meanwhile, I'm sure Ukraine will be spending plenty of the money they get from trading with the US to buy American made military equipment to rebuild their military once the Uke midget is gone.
My fear is since Trump is not gonna be around forever and if the dems ever get in total power again we will see the same type of grift we did before, or worse, they will give the farm away to the Ukes.
I'm sure the MSM will complain that the price of eggs is still high.
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They were, from Mexico and Biden was destroying them at the border.
Moonglow
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I have noticed Biden at the border after leaving the White House months ago....Not.
Dude, Biden left with egg on his face.
He is
luiza
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Its no good scribbling silly messages trying to retrieve some lost self importance
You are a brainless mediocrity .
What on earth do you imagine you could ever offer in terms of ideas or sources ?
Carry on munching grass .
AntonToo
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You've made pretty outstanding claims about the losses in the war and are now getting upset at basic questioning of how you've come to belive it.
We both know why - your sources is laughable Russian propaganda and you will look like the useful idiot that you are if you actually cite it.
You enacted your communist agendas with Joe. It trickled down to the privileged groups involved. Yu could have changed course and did not.
EvilCat Breath
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There wouldn't be any harm's way. The war would be over. That's what Zelensky doesn't want. He won't stand for the war being over.
okfine
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Oh bullshit. Are you a 2nd amendment person? If someone came to your home and tried to kill you, would you let them? Think about the Ukrainians that had that done to them. Would you fight back?
Dr. Phosphorous
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It doesn't matter what a Putin dick licker like you says.
EvilCat Breath
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Ukraine did fight back. We paid them a fortune to fight back. The error is in some people thinking that Ukraine could fight Russia to a Russian unconditional surrender and that's not going to happen. They have been fighting for three years and all they have to show for it is an enormous amount of graft and a lot of dead Ukranians.
There has to be a negotiated peace. Russia is not going to surrender.
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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This thread did not age well, did it?
If it depends on resources, and his resources come from the U S of A, you would think he would have been more respectful in the White House meeting.
Trump says Zelenskyy can 'come back when he is ready for Peace' after fiery White House exchange
Efforts to advance a peace deal between the Ukraine and Russia came to a halt Friday after President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sparred in the Oval Office.www.foxnews.com
I guess he sees how disrespectful the media is to the voters’ choice and thinks he’ll be their hero if he is also.
Maybe MSNBC will send him resources?
"Respectful" You mean accept a deal with no security guarantees, and no end to the war and just shutup.
Failzero
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Z will get bumped off in next few weeks .
As if you and you ilk care about dead Ukrainians
What has Russia shown for it in 3 years? A million dead, a decimated military, a completely stalled frontline and an economy on the brink of collapse? That 65 billion the US gave Ukraine in old weapons is paying for itself 10x over. No amount of Russian lies, Maga pushes in this country can alter this simple fact. The only reason why the Ukrainians haven't progressed even further is because the US has been stingy with their weapons deliveries.
CrazyTrader55
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Excellent. I will start my Saturday with another ignore of another asshole on here.
Seymour Flops
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First of all, Zelinski doesn’t want the war to end. If you saw that very brief meeting he had with Trump and Vance, that was nonnegotiable for him. He doesn’t want peace, understandable, since the war has been so profitable for him.
But he needs the United States, apparently to keep providing him with materials to fight the endless war he wants. He can be respectful to the United States or he can turn to Europe. I think we should eliminate that first choice and let Europe take care of Europe.
He showed he is Poootin's boy yesterday.WAPO paywall but here's the article in total.
"The minerals deal negotiated between the United States and Ukraine is a devastating development for Russia. Indeed, it is in some ways more important than any peace deal President Donald Trump might negotiate to end the fighting. Once implemented, it will mean that Russia has effectively lost the war.
Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted to conquer his neighbor. Instead, the United States has just gone into business with Ukraine — entering into, as the agreement puts it, “a durable partnership” with Kyiv to jointly develop Ukraine’s untapped minerals and other natural resources and pledging “a long-term financial commitment to the development of a stable and economically prosperous Ukraine.”
With this deal, the United States is now invested — literally, not figuratively — in what the deal calls “a free, sovereign and secure Ukraine.” That means the United States now has a massive financial incentive to help safeguard Ukraine’s independence. If Ukraine survives, the United States will stand to gain hundreds of billions of dollars; if Ukraine falls, we get nothing. After all, does anyone think that if Putin conquers Ukraine, he is going to repay the United States for the weapons we gave Ukraine to fight his troops? Of course not.
The deal creates “a Reconstruction Investment Fund” that will be jointly owned and managed by the two countries. Ukraine will contribute 50 percent of all revenue earned from the “future monetization” of all government-owned natural resource assets, including “minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials.” The fund will use this revenue to “invest in projects in Ukraine and attract investments to increase the development” of its natural resources, as well as “infrastructure, ports, and state-owned enterprises.”
Those who say Ukraine failed to win security guarantees in exchange for the minerals deal are missing the point: The minerals deal is a security guarantee. Trump has made clear that he is not going to send American troops to Ukraine. But with this deal, he is going to send something better: American workers, bulldozers and earthmovers.
“It’s a great deal for Ukraine, too, because they get us over there,” Trump explained during his Cabinet meeting Wednesday. “We’re going to be working over there. We’ll be on the land. And you know, that way it’s this sort of automatic security, because nobody’s going to be messing around with our people when we’re there.”
With the minerals deal done, Trump must now negotiate a peace deal that secures his investment by making sure the war ends — and never resumes. Ukraine’s minerals only have value to America if they are extracted from Ukrainian soil, processed and sold. If Ukraine does not have security, that won’t happen. U.S. businesses won’t be able to mine for minerals under fire from Russian forces and will not make long-term investment in Ukraine if they fear the fighting will resume. And if they don’t invest, American taxpayers won’t get paid.
Trump certainly knows that as soon as there is a peace agreement, China, Iran and North Korea will help Russia rearm — and that in time, Russia will reconstitute its forces and rebuild its defense-industrial base in preparation for a new offensive.
To stop that from happening, the United States needs to help Ukraine establish deterrence. And that will require allowing Ukraine to purchase the American weapons it needs to discourage Russia from ever restarting the conflict. The minerals deal creates a mechanism to repay the United States for the weapons we have given Ukraine over the past three years, but not for Ukraine to buy weapons in the future to defend our joint investments.
Jack Keane, a retired Army general, and I laid out a plan in these pages on transitioning Ukraine from an aid recipient to a defense consumer, and using frozen Russian assets and loans guaranteed by Ukraine’s natural resources to buy weapons. This will be critical if we want to ensure that the war never starts up again, and Ukraine’s resources can be developed for the benefit of both countries. This does not require a new agreement or action by Congress; the mechanisms for such sales exist under existing law.
But this deal is a critical step forward. Russia wanted to diminish Ukraine economically, politically and militarily. With this deal, Trump has enhanced Ukraine economically and politically. Now, to secure our new investments, the United States must enhance Ukraine militarily as well."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/02/27/minerals-deal-ukraine-russia/
Having a bunch of American companies over there rebuilding and doing business means Russia is less likely to make another attempt out of fear of drawing in NATO, but at the same time, there's no US troops on his doorstep (or, at least not in Ukraine), most likely in Poland.
Meanwhile, I'm sure Ukraine will be spending plenty of the money they get from trading with the US to buy American made military equipment to rebuild their military once the Uke midget is gone.
My fear is since Trump is not gonna be around forever and if the dems ever get in total power again we will see the same type of grift we did before, or worse, they will give the farm away to the Ukes.
I'm sure the MSM will complain that the price of eggs is still high.
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